Deus Pater (Exalted/40k)

Honestly the really interesting about maybe-interacting with a Primarch is very much the very human awkwardness of "Hey son, time to meet your new foster brother". Says the golden, glowing, Carrion Lord entombed on Terra.
 
[X] The Missionary. You have walked beneath alien suns and broken bread with people lost to the Emperor's light for millennia on end. Whole worlds have been brought into the fold by your deeds, and every time you returned home another set of scales fell from your eyes. You can scarcely bare to look upon the place you are meant to be speaking for, and while the frontier yet calls it's sweet siren song... you are done running.


[X] The Theologian. You graduated top of your class at the Schola, and donned the cassock of a priest with a smile on your face. You had studied the many and varied forms of the Imperial Faith for years on end, only to find that not one of the them reflected the actual truth. The horrors you have witnessed in your service to the mighty have strained your mind, and in the end you knew you were faced with a choice; do the sensible, pragmatic thing, or take a stand on a matter of principle few of your peers even cared to name. Put like that, it isn't really a choice at all, is it?
 
An actual Primarch is likely capable of walking up to 99% of reasonably representative Solars and feeding them their own legs. A highly experienced combat focused Solar would probably be able to match them, but... well, even then it'd be a tough fight.
Yes, and an actual Primarch has vastly more experience than a Solar. For a real contest, have the Solar be of equal age (post Exalting) as the Primarch.
 
Yes, and an actual Primarch has vastly more experience than a Solar. For a real contest, have the Solar be of equal age (post Exalting) as the Primarch.

I mean Angron was capable of murdering an entire Eldar strike force while still literally in the crib, and I'm pretty sure Vulcan landed in an outright volcano, so even then...

(This is almost entirely irrelevant, but hey I like chatting while putting together the actual update)
 
I mean Angron was capable of murdering an entire Eldar strike force while still literally in the crib, and I'm pretty sure Vulcan landed in an outright volcano, so even then...

(This is almost entirely irrelevant, but hey I like chatting while putting together the actual update)
Konrad Curze crawled out of the planetary core somehow in the moments after his birth.
 
I mean Angron was capable of murdering an entire Eldar strike force while still literally in the crib, and I'm pretty sure Vulcan landed in an outright volcano, so even then...

(This is almost entirely irrelevant, but hey I like chatting while putting together the actual update)
At least Vulcan is known to be a Perpetual, so we can discount his durability at least. :D
 
I just saw this, and am in time to witness us defenstrate a bitch (a real classic that one). I am content.
 
I mean Angron was capable of murdering an entire Eldar strike force while still literally in the crib, and I'm pretty sure Vulcan landed in an outright volcano, so even then...

(This is almost entirely irrelevant, but hey I like chatting while putting together the actual update)
Yes, and freshly Exalted Solars can murder the shit out of Wyld Hunts with the right build.

Plus surviving a volcano is not that impressive by Exalted standards. Survival Charms.
 
Yes, and freshly Exalted Solars can murder the shit out of Wyld Hunts with the right build.

Plus surviving a volcano is not that impressive by Exalted standards. Survival Charms.
Can we not do this power level shitflinging right now okay thanks

The point isn't whether Primarchs or Solar Exalted are equally powerful, but that any given Exalt isn't going to instantly be top dog. You have to work at it, in a galaxy full of peer opponents. Ultimately you should remember that the exalt isn't even a Solar, though their themes definitely have overlap; they're an Imperial Exalt, empowered by one of the many shards of the Emperor's psyche. Their power originates from the God-Emperor of Mankind.

You know who else the God-Emperor of Mankind created? The Primarchs.
 
[X] The Cardinal. You have a position of rank and power within the Ecclesiarchy, and you have done what you can to use it for good. Your teachings were always somewhat unorthodox, but you spoke to people's hearts and your support grew ever greater. Now, though, your superiors have rendered judgement, and those who trusted in your words are being condemned as heretics and sent to the pyre. Your position protects you from harm so long as you do not intervene... but you cannot stand aside and let your children burn.
[X] The Sororitas. You are a Sister of Battle, and your skin bears the scars of many wars. You have slain the enemies of the faith on countless battlefields, advanced far in the service to the Church... and found the worth of those you are supposed to serve lacking. They feast on the victuals of a hundred worlds and drink wine from golden chalices, while you stand guard and know your sisters die in muddy holes with every passing day. No more.
 
I wonder if Primarchs are human enough to become Exalts.
Another thought: studying the Primarchs could be the basis for various SMAs (not that I think that will be the direction the quest takes).
 
How about in five minutes? :p

My point was more that Solars are equal to Primarchs than anything else, anyways.

Nnnot really I think? Honestly you're sort of approaching this from the wrong angle.

The Primarchs are the product of not only a fully intact Emperor's labors ("I don't see why women always complain about giving birth" says the Golden Asshole as he plugs another tube into the incubation chamber) but also a fully intact Imperium. This was before the Horusy, before known space was rent in half, before the Imperium turned bloated and cancerous with worlds beyond its ability to effectively manage and before the brutality set in. There were resources, technology, knowledge that went into their creation that's since been expended, corrupted, or just lost; to say nothing of their maker. The Primarchs, from their very inception, were deliberately designed. There was a logic at work, a genius and an intent. They were as far from a collection of semi-randomized traits as you can get and, sure, they were then basically dumped in the wild and raised by wolves ('eyo Russ) but that doesn't change the fact that they were part of a plan from the very beginning. Insofar as the Emperor has biological offspring they, truly, are his sons.

And they are complete bullshit.

Us?

We're a shard of the God Emperor's self that he calved off and I really really doubt that performing desperate psychic surgery on your soulscape while you're a very depressed cyber-corpse is, uh, as clean or as methodical as an operation under laboratory conditions. We're also us which is to say a semi-ordinary dude who climbed to a position of power will all the varied missteps and setbacks and ill-considered choices you get along the way. We're a person who's already had a long, rich life even before we turned back the clock on our bodies and even before we got the Exaltation. We're not planned. Honestly we're a bit of a mess considering how everything turned out.

We're deeply flawed, albeit in a normal, human way rather than the insane galactic-scale way the Primarchs are.

What I'm trying to say is that unless we monofocus in on fighting and direct-combat stuff then pretty much any still-living/returning Primarch could still crumple us into a very bloody basketball and slam us through a hoop so hard that the backboard shatters. And that's fine. We're starting from square one with different, weirder tools, and absent many of the resources and opportunities they had. That's what it means to get this kind of power in a fallen age and that's fine.

Honestly the really interesting thing is that...I was sorta joking earlier but I did mean it, in a sense we are their foster brother. For all that Daddy Emps gave us a golden haymaker and went "WELCOME TO THE FAMILY SON" he did recognize us, anoint us as one of his heirs. Even if we're inferior in many ways to a Primarch we're still their kin. And they're going to have a variety of reactions to that I think, them and their descendant Space Marines. Ranging from "Classic dad..." to "OH SHIT NEW BABY BROTHER WHADDUP" to "how fucking dare you i will chaos dunk you so hard the crust shatters".

Which I'm legitimately looking forward to :D.
 
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Nnnot really I think? Honestly you're sort of approaching this from the wrong angle.

The Primarchs are the product of not only a fully intact Emperor's labors ("I don't see why women always complain about giving birth" says the Golden Asshole as he plugs another tube into the incubation chamber) but also a fully intact Imperium. This was before the Horusy, before known space was rent in half, before the Imperium turned bloated and cancerous with worlds beyond its ability to effectively manage and before the brutality set in. There were resources, technology, knowledge that went into their creation that's since been expended, corrupted, or just lost; to say nothing of their maker. The Primarchs, from their very inception, were deliberately designed. There was a logic at work, a genius and an intent. They were as far from a collection of semi-randomized traits as you can get and, sure, they were then basically dumped in the wild and raised by wolves ('eyo Russ) but that doesn't change the fact that they were part of a plan from the very beginning. Insofar as the Emperor has biological offspring they, truly, are his sons.

And they are complete bullshit.

Us?

We're a shard of the God Emperor's self that he calved off and I really really doubt that performing desperate psychic surgery on your soulscape while you're a very depressed cyber-corpse is, uh, as clean or as methodical as an operation under laboratory conditions. We're also us which is to say a semi-ordinary dude who climbed to a position of power will all the varied missteps and setbacks and ill-considered choices you get along the way. We're a person who's already had a long, rich life even before we turned back the clock on our bodies and even before we got the Exaltation. We're not planned. Honestly we're a bit of a mess considering how everything turned out.

We're deeply flawed, albeit in a normal, human way rather than the insane galactic-scale way the Primarchs are.

What I'm trying to say is that unless we monofocus in on fighting and direct-combat stuff then pretty much any still-living/returning Primarch could still crumple us into a very bloody basketball and slam us through a hoop so hard that the backboard shatters. And that's fine. We're starting from square one with different, weirder tools, and absent many of the resources and opportunities they had. That's what it means to get this kind of power in a fallen age and that's fine.

Honestly the really interesting thing is that...I was sorta joking earlier but I did mean it, in a sense we are their foster brother. For all that Daddy Emps gave us a golden haymaker and went "WELCOME TO THE FAMILY SON" he did recognize us, anoint us as one of his heirs. Even if we're inferior in many ways to a Primarch we're still their kin. And they're going to have a variety of reactions to that I think, them and their descendant Space Marines. Ranging from "Classic dad..." to "OH SHIT NEW BABY BROTHER WHADDUP" to "how fucking dare you i will chaos dunk you so hard the crust shatters".

Which I'm legitimately looking forward to :D.
plus Exalts are biologically immortal Ie death will not be of natural causes we can play cartchup because we have time
 
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plus Exalts are biologically immortal Ie death will not be of natural causes we can play cartchup because we have time

Nope, Exalts are still fundamentally human and all of them will eventually die of old age.

Amusingly, a Solar who took their Second Breath at the start of the Great Crusade would not have lived to see more than half of the Imperium's current existence if I've got things right.

Barring terrifying Solar bullshit the only Exalts who can avoid this fate are Abyssal Exalts (Because Spoopy Dead People) and Infernal Exalts who ironically have the shortest lifespan, sort of, but can ascend to being Devil Tigers which are basically immortal.

EDIT: Unless Emperor Exalts are also immortal for whatever reason.
 
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