Deus Pater (Exalted/40k)

OH MAN I LOVE THIS SHIT! NO SEXY GIRL FUCK NO! IT'S A UGLY DANGEROUS LOOKING BEAST MEANT FOR ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY! WAR!
Hey, it's quite sexy! And might be a girl if the tradition remains!
Also, that could just be a 'public' form ;X

[X] Retribution - You will go to the Admiral on the bridge, and there in his place of power you will demonstrate the folly of his callous disregard. He will be broken, body and will, before you are done, and only then will you reforge him into a true servant of the Emperor.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
[X] Retribution - You will go to the Admiral on the bridge, and there in his place of power you will demonstrate the folly of his callous disregard. He will be broken, body and will, before you are done, and only then will you reforge him into a true servant of the Emperor.

He needs to be Educated. Not annihilated!
 
[X] Retribution - You will go to the Admiral on the bridge, and there in his place of power you will demonstrate the folly of his callous disregard. He will be broken, body and will, before you are done, and only then will you reforge him into a true servant of the Emperor.

I almost wanted to choose Usurpation but it relies on the Admiral seeing the error of his ways and I just don't see that happening. More likely he makes some sort of plan against us.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.

Much as I'd like to hammer into the Admiral just what he did wrong, and despite the risks that Usurpation might trigger the Admiral to try attacking those under our protection again - Retribution has too much risk of killing most of the officers on the bridge.

This isn't a problem because the lives of those officers are particularly valuable - naval officers aren't in such short supply that we wouldn't be able to replace them, and these ones aren't under our protection or command in any case - but summary executions of naval officers are likely to cause us political problems, and one way or another we're going to want a professional navy in WH40k.

Meanwhile, Usurpation is a mirror to what the Admiral just did to us - he just ignored the Cardinal's authority over the world below, so we're ignoring his authority over his ship, and if we're better at it than he is, well, that's his problem. It presents this conflict to the rest of the Navy in a light that's a lot more favourable to us, I think.

I'm kind of uncomfortable with the subtext of beating up people the Cardinal's angry with, too.
 
[X] Retribution - You will go to the Admiral on the bridge, and there in his place of power you will demonstrate the folly of his callous disregard. He will be broken, body and will, before you are done, and only then will you reforge him into a true servant of the Emperor.

This is very risky, but it's the best choice all the same.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
[X] Retribution - You will go to the Admiral on the bridge, and there in his place of power you will demonstrate the folly of his callous disregard. He will be broken, body and will, before you are done, and only then will you reforge him into a true servant of the Emperor

Remember how we choose at the beginning not to take in those who disagrees with our interpretation of the Faith, ie the inquisitor? To choose Usurpation would be the same as accepting the inquisitor and therefor becoming a hypocrite. This Admiral has chosen to put his needs above that of the local citizens, ignoring all protocols in leu of expedience (far worse then the honest zealousness of the inquisitor). An example must be made.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
Yes, in case there was literally any doubt, that was indeed the manifest machine spirit of the warship Toth's Revenge. Machine spirits cannot normally manifest in this manner, but when the Emperor's Scion commands a lot of otherwise impossible things become increasingly less of an obstacle...

The reaction of the Mechanicus to this development is going to be just, a whole thing.
 
[X] Retribution - You will go to the Admiral on the bridge, and there in his place of power you will demonstrate the folly of his callous disregard. He will be broken, body and will, before you are done, and only then will you reforge him into a true servant of the Emperor
 
[X] Retribution - You will go to the Admiral on the bridge, and there in his place of power you will demonstrate the folly of his callous disregard. He will be broken, body and will, before you are done, and only then will you reforge him into a true servant of the Emperor.
 
Yes, in case there was literally any doubt, that was indeed the manifest machine spirit of the warship Toth's Revenge. Machine spirits cannot normally manifest in this manner, but when the Emperor's Scion commands a lot of otherwise impossible things become increasingly less of an obstacle...

The reaction of the Mechanicus to this development is going to be just, a whole thing.
Man would the ships from the Great Crusade have some stories to tell.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
[X] Usurpation

Best he bend of his own will. I want to find out what his fleet is prepping for.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.

I like this one as it actually teaches a lesson without you know killing the guy or breaking his mind. The navy... actually ESPECIALLY the navy if they are as superstitious as sailors are in history will be heavily affected by this.
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
Yes, in case there was literally any doubt, that was indeed the manifest machine spirit of the warship Toth's Revenge. Machine spirits cannot normally manifest in this manner, but when the Emperor's Scion commands a lot of otherwise impossible things become increasingly less of an obstacle...

The reaction of the Mechanicus to this development is going to be just, a whole thing.
Would anyone familiar with warship Toth's Revenge recognize it?
 
[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.
 
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[X] Usurpation - Command the spirit of the ship and take away that which the Admiral believes is his by right. When he humbles himself before you and acknowledges his own transgression, you will consider the possibility of forgiveness.

@Candesce raises a super salient point and I'm a huge fan of the mirrored approach, of the sort of symmetry.

The update talks a lot about the pride of the Navy and a huge part of that pride is invested in their ships, in their ability to travel freely when so many in the Imperium are lashed metaphorically-if-not-literally in place. In their effectively unquestioned rule of the Void (save for the Mechanicus armadas iirc but the AdMech is effectively an empire-within-an-empire and by and large the other other main competitor, the Rogue Trader fleets, don't directly compete with the Navy proper). And it's this pride that got the deck officer killed and it's this pride that had the Admiral effectively shrug his shoulders and decide that what the ground-bound thought didn't really matter. And it's this pride that meant that the naval station on Solus didn't even really try to stop him because Navy Above All Else.

More than any other option Usurpation attacks that pride. It's not a breaking exactly, it's a very public, visceral humbling that directly focuses on a fundamental pillar of what it means to be a part of the Navy. And it makes a pretty powerful statement all on its own: "You have invested everything you are into this ship and it still recognizes me over you". And considering the deep affinity if not outright affection many naval personnel probably have for their craft, especially a flagship like this? That's going to resonate in a way that a straightforward beatdown might not.

Plus it's pretty in line with how we've been handling other shit I think. We tend to give people A Chance when we can, for calculating and compassionate reasons. It's how we handled the Arch-deacon after all.

Remember how we choose at the beginning not to take in those who disagrees with our interpretation of the Faith, ie the inquisitor? To choose Usurpation would be the same as accepting the inquisitor and therefor becoming a hypocrite. This Admiral has chosen to put his needs above that of the local citizens, ignoring all protocols in leu of expedience (far worse then the honest zealousness of the inquisitor). An example must be made.

I mean, Retribution literally outlines how we'll take this man, break him, and make him a loyal servant or kill him. If that's not "accepting" idk what is.

Honestly I'm kinda cool on the Retribution option in general I think. On the one hand the guy's a more-than-deserving target who rules his ship with a heavy hand but it's got a pretty high potential for collateral and doesn't really address the systemic issue presented by the Navy. That "fuck you I do what I want". Being killed in the line of duty isn't a new thing for them and just because it comes from a glowy golden brawler instead of a shell the size of a house punching through the bridge doesn't, like, make a significant difference in how they approach things imo.
 
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