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Feathers said:
Oh yeah definitely! When I first saw that and made the connection because they're both direct opposites and how much of it is alluded with Temperance (with Kindness), I was like "yo i gotta cook with this right now"
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Funnily enough, in Limbus, Envy tends to be really common with IDs that have the Sinners fully embrace an ideology or community, so they actually have a surprising overlap with IDs that have strong themes of camaraderie.

In that sense, I feel like Envy is moreso the other side of the coin from Kindness/Empathy rather than just it's direct opposite. You can't truly envy someone unless you understand just how good they are/how good they have it. Someone who has the Sin of Envy, by their very nature, cannot be someone apathetic towards others.
 
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Funnily enough, in Limbus, Envy tends to be really common with IDs that have the Sinners fully embrace an ideology or community, so they actually have a surprising overlap with IDs that have strong themes of camaraderie.
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Well you do bring a good point about that fact/quirk about Limbus Identities and their sin affinities for different skills. Though I could point out even in identities that fully embrace ideologies/communities like the Middle IDs for Meursault or Don Quixote whose central theme is 'family'/'family bonds'. And we're acknowleding the most prominent sins within an identity could either show their view as a character in that mirror world and how it changes their personality, that with Envy there is a motivating discontent, either simmering underneath the surface while still believing in the best of a movement. Like with the Pequod Trio basically all sharing similar sin affinities with Pride and Envy - it could espouse that they would share an envy towards other people, regular people because their current fate in the mirror worlds is way worse and could be improved. Ig as a form of escapism. Though I'm probably big rambling and looking too deep into this tbh

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In that sense, I feel like Envy is moreso the other side of the coin from Kindness/Empathy rather than just it's direct opposite. You can't truly envy someone unless you understand just how good they are/how good they have it. Someone who has the Sin of Envy, by their very nature, cannot be someone apathetic towards others.
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Not gonna lie, when I was doing some shallow research on the 7 deadly sins and contrasting with the 7 heavenly/capital virtues; I was using the table from Wikipedia and hardcore jumped at that information in making the assumption that they're two complete opposites, that I acknowledge because your reasoning does make fair sense that they complement each other. Though I do want explain my reasoning in why I jumped on the bangwagon hardcore about the two being opposities, is that I was thinking about intent.

To explain this further using an example: In a situation where you are interacting with someone who is definitely in a better situation than you (Wealth, Healthy and loving relationship with a significant other, well-adjusted mental health, etc) and is talking about said situation that has started to go downhill, and you can't help make comparisons between yourself and them.

I think with Envy and Kindness - it's all based on what you do/want to do with that person: In either you want to ruin that person's current situation and drag them down to a lower level and you can reap from the rewards. Or you can either sympathsize with that person and attempt to make that situation better for them. Delivering good vs delivering evil, kinda thing if that makes sense?

Since what makes things sinful is despite thinking about wanting to do evil towards a person, committing said evil towards them is the sin/ The action instead of the thought.

That's how I view that they're both opposites, like as reactions? Than thinking towards Empathy vs Apathy relationship though I do see where you're coming from.

Not gonna lie, it did take me a while to respond to this and I wanted to do some research before replying to this because it was the type of response for me to sit down, do some research, reread and ruminate on it for a while before actually replying kinda thing. Oof.


Also voting period is gonna end in less than two hours!

The votes look pretty close between 'Original Sin' and 'A Soul Lost in Wonderland' (Alice!!!) though I haven't sat down and completely tallied them down so im making the assumption.
 
[X] Plan: Clerk
-[x] Alpha3 (your brave older brother was named Alpha2 by your parents who apparently lacked imagination. No one ever talked about what happened to Alpha1)
-[x] A Clerkoid (you have no sexual inclinations about anything whatsoever, performing menial and thankless support work is all you've ever found fulfilling in life so far)
-[x] You are This Many years old (the paperwork about your birth and age had been lost a long time ago, so no one is exactly sure by this point)
 
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Feathers said:
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Man, I love analyzing Sins.

One of things I've kinda always believed about the Sins as portrayed in Limbus/PM is that, in a world as bleak as the City, Sins represent both Flaws and Virtues as they are a by-product of the Light that flooded the City, and removed the "sickness of the mind/apathy" that consumed so many of the people living there. That's the reason Greed isn't a Sin, because as a capitalistic dystopia, the City is the embodiment of Greed.

For Envy, specifically, I don't think it purely represents Jealousy, at least within PM's world. If you look at IDs like N Faust, Rose Rodya, 7 Faust, Captain Ishmael, Multicrack Faust, Blade Sang, W Ryoshu, Mariachi Sinclair, these all feature the Sinners in situations where they seem content with where they are and not really all that envious at all.

Which is why I've begun to believe that Envy also carries connotations of Camaraderie in addition to Jealousy.

I think that fits with Fingers' theme of taking a virtue or positive quality (Respect, Faith, Loyalty, Creativity) and then twisting it until it becomes something horrific, much like how the Wings take a miraculous resource or invention and do much the same to it.

Feathers said:
I think with Envy and Kindness - it's all based on what you do/want to do with that person: In either you want to ruin that person's current situation and drag them down to a lower level and you can reap from the rewards. Or you can either sympathsize with that person and attempt to make that situation better for them. Delivering good vs delivering evil, kinda thing if that makes sense?
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I will lightly push back on this example though (not your overall definition mind), because Envy is primarily defined as the desire for something someone else has. I don't think that necessarily means one has to tear someone down to reap their rewards.

I do get what you mean though!
 
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    Not gonna lie, I was surprised how much support for a genderfluid character to be created, got. Was kinda expecting typical male v female but hey, it was pretty exciting how close the votes were though.

    Surely in another quest, there'll be a genderfluid character to be used as the protagonist. I did complement on how it'll be implemented in a Quest and have downloaded a few images on the off chance if it did win. Either with dice roll + current sanity influence but those are rough ideas tbh

    But the next post will probably be up in like the next hour or two!
     
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