Council Candidate Discussion - September 2019 Election

Continuing down the list of questions:

6. The "discussion" on dunking can easily be construed as big shot holy types punching down at others from their ivory towers. What will candidates do to properly convey their intent to others, since administrative decisions made in good faith are interpreted as otherwise as it is.

There isn't much to say here - people are always going to look at decisions handed down to them with a certain amount of scepticism. The best we can do is strive as an institution to be polite, professional, and compassionate while fulfilling our roles, and to continue to engage with the user base as regular posters the rest of the time - the Council's entire purpose, in the end, is to serve as a bridge between the users and the staff.

As for trying to reduce "dunking", well, best to lead by example and simply be kinder during our time on SV as a whole.

7. Discord is a good way to get work done outside of SV and is a net positive to efficiency. What's your policy on taking things on the site out to places that are not official SV servers but merely associated or affiliated, whatever the word is.

A huge number of quests have their own Discord servers, and I'm active on a number of them. I have no real issues with this on the whole, although to some degree I feel that this can lead to fractures in the quest playerbase between the more involved readers (more likely to join a dedicated discord) and more casual voters.

It isn't clear to me that there's anything that can be done about that, though - the rapid chat and voice communications on Discord simply make for a much more casual atmosphere than can be replicated on SV.

It would be nice for quest runners to be encouraged to include a link to any relevant Discords on the first page of the quest, since I've seen a lot of cases where users want to join a Discord but can't find the link, but that's more of a cultural thing than an actual rules issue - SV shouldn't (and frankly can't) mandate how people behave when it comes to off-site communications.

8. How important do you think popularity is wrt working in your office. Would you be able to be honest at risk of losing the "faith" of some people.

As Councillors, our role is to serve as liaisons between the community and the staff. With that in mind, if the people we're meant to represent disagree with our decisions, we're probably doing something wrong.

I have a responsibility to the council to be honest regarding what I feel is best for the parts of the community I'm familiar with. I also have a responsibility to that community, to follow through with the faith they placed in me. I don't see those two aspects as being at odds with each other.

9. Are you going to slap people for their bullshit instead of defaulting to fake diplomacy in order to look good? Meaning how important is "image" to you. Do you think it affects your function? Do you think it should?

"Slapping people for their bullshit" is a fairly aggressive way of putting it, but I won't tolerate obvious bad faith argumentation placed before the council, and I will speak up if I think the staff are making a poor or unfair decision.

What you describe as "Image" is better reframed as Trust. In the end, the Council is primarily an advisory body. Most of what we can do to improve things with users is to open communications with them, and most of what we can do to affect staff decisions is to provide persuasive arguments. Having a poor image won't help with either of those tasks.
 
Was the "infraction for the whole thread" vote the only incident for this thing?
@Biigoh wouldn't this have meant that you would also be infracted? :thonk:

I'm fairly certain there's been others, counting time as council or a user, but that is the primary one I remember.

And frankly even that one case is enough that I don't think Biigoh should be a council member.

See? Honest even if it might lose me faith and votes. :V
 
Forgive the noodle-like response as I reply piece by piece.

Anyways candidates have new powers potentially allowing them to enforce L A W in limited amounts. They also have strength on council and within communities. Some people are pretty firmly within one or two communities and claim not to involve themselves in more social matters at all (politics is a social matter, shocking).

Tanuki like having the LAW! on its side. Tanuki Tyannus.

1. How often do you see yourselves using those powers. Can we also trust you not to pull subliminal bullshit since several candidates here have displayed frustration at opposing viewpoints.
I am aware that these powers don't touch disciplinary actions but that's still an issue.

Well... I do have a track record that can be gone over. 2 years of council ship, god knows how many years of QQ moderator powers.

The plain fact is tanuki are not very smart and more importantly lazy even if they will advocate for various positions.

2. What will you do if there is slightly more erotica on the site. For this scenario assume that SV will not encounter "legal repercussions" and that you are freely allowed to browse the site through your work filters or whatever (so as it is now, just with more """porn""").

Pornos on SV? SV did have that experiment with a not safe for work subforum that people might have forgotten about.

I am not adverse to such a thing but it would need people to actually post NSFW stuff on SV and common perception is that SV is super safe for work even if Lewds are kinda allowed at present if tastefully done.

3. For those who don't visit N/P or any significant social parts of the board, what do you make of the allegations that "most of the site's problems" come from N/P, and what makes you equipped to handle regular issues if you believe that is the case, and you don't have an actual idea of the climate there.

Ah... Politics. A subject that breaks relationships and divides people.

4. How open are you to actually solving the "culture" problems on this site by providing tools and education outside of open PMs. How would that work. @keios has outlined a plan and I understand that @Cetashwayo also has an outline for improved sitewide movement, also @mesonoxian. There are probably others I've missed but those stand out as the most detailed for holistic solutions.

Let's be honest here. There really are 2 types of people. Jackasses/jerks/bastards/bitches/trolls/douchebags and those who are not.

For some, telling them to shape is enough in the form of warnings, convos, points... For others... There is only one solution.

5. Are you going to be honest about the parts of the site you can't or refuse to tackle, or will you try to take on everything and burn yourself out. Also, I remember some candidates earlier saying that they "would leave it to others" but that doesn't seem to be an actual option, unless I'm mistaken. In that case former and current councilors can chime on whether it is indeed possible to sit in your own corner.
This is more of a things happen as I go along situation.

Like I don't go bear n&p as it grinds my gears hard and I want to advocate a politics free SV which will never happen.
 
Let's be honest here. There really are 2 types of people. Jackasses/jerks/bastards/bitches/trolls/douchebags and those who are not.

I disagree with this attitude. Or, more precisely, I think it harmful for a person in position of authority to have.

Everyone suffers from biases, and rushing to group people into worthy and unworthy, friends and foes, good people and bad, is probably a rather standard bias for all of humanity.

So people, especially people who get to judge people, should strive to adopt mindsets that go against this bias, rather than reinforce and utilize it.

With what you said, I'd fear you'd be too lenient towards people you've already judged as "not a jackass", and too harsh/too contemptful towards people you've already judged as "jackasses"
 
I disagree with this attitude. Or, more precisely, I think it harmful for a person in position of authority to have.

Everyone suffers from biases, and rushing to group people into worthy and unworthy, friends and foes, good people and bad, is probably a rather standard bias for all of humanity.

So people, especially people who get to judge people, should strive to adopt mindsets that go against this bias, rather than reinforce and utilize it.

With what you said, I'd fear you'd be too lenient towards people you've already judged as "not a jackass", and too harsh/too contemptful towards people you've already judged as "jackasses"
But that's the thing. If you don't behave like a jackass... You're not a jackass.

So the labels are a response to behaviours. If you act or post in a manner that people would say is that of a douchebag then... being labeled as such is only natural.

In which case... The response by the staff should be expected, yes?

In short, one is free to post as one desires. But that does not mean that said post is free of consequences.
 
Yeah you definitely should try to take this whole thing seriously instead of being a meme.
Jackie Jackie Jackie... I am being serious.

But at the same time, I am slanting my response in a memetic and fun manner. Remember no fun is a stressful state to be in.

In short... Why so serious? :3
 
You say that like it has never happened before.

It has.

Turns out: No, that's not what the Council needs. At all. Quite frankly, Biigoh's council term is... not remembered fondly.
Yeah, sorry, it was mostly a joke.
What would be the impact of memes on the council, anyways?
 
You say that like it has never happened before.

It has.

Turns out: No, that's not what the Council needs. At all. Quite frankly, Biigoh's council term is... not remembered fondly.
The fluffy candidates was fun... Also you snap one time and everyone brings it up over and over.

[X] would run for council again.
 
Once again in this thread, lots of people are discussing past events germane to the discussion without linking any sources (or even making explicit enough references to find them.) I could understand if this was a less official venue, but since voters are supposed to be making judgements about candidates here maybe there should be something we can look at other than vague 2nd hand descriptions?
 
Once again in this thread, lots of people are discussing past events germane to the discussion without linking any sources (or even making explicit enough references to find them.) I could understand if this was a less official venue, but since voters are supposed to be making judgements about candidates here maybe there should be something we can look at other than vague 2nd hand descriptions?
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2016-AT-04: Staff and Vaermina Other Resolution

Aye. I'd agree on this sort of thing, it's a nice compromise. A thread-spread Wfmb where if they don't learn to simply agree to disagree and just leave everyone their own opinions if they're so entrenched in it, then there's the high chance they're all going to get infracted for it.

He goes on, but that's the thread (and the start of the incident. He gets worse further on).
 
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Once again in this thread, lots of people are discussing past events germane to the discussion without linking any sources (or even making explicit enough references to find them.) I could understand if this was a less official venue, but since voters are supposed to be making judgements about candidates here maybe there should be something we can look at other than vague 2nd hand descriptions?
It's an incident that was discussed in the nomination thread previously, I'll just quote Cadis' summary here-
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2016-AT-04: Staff and Vaermina Other Resolution

Aye. I'd agree on this sort of thing, it's a nice compromise. A thread-spread Wfmb where if they don't learn to simply agree to disagree and just leave everyone their own opinions if they're so entrenched in it, then there's the high chance they're all going to get infracted for it.
It starts here. For those who can't be bothered to read,@Biigoh was advocating, because well I can't take it as a serious argument honestly, but he was at least saying that, because people in the thread were enabling Vaermina's behavior, everyone should get hit with a 25 point infraction. This would've meant infracting 448 users in total. Honestly I have to say, I don't believe @Biigoh should be on the council;nothing they have posted here has indicated they would actually be a productive member or engage in good faith with SV governance. This is a joke to them; they are not like @Datcord, a meme candidate initially who actually took things seriously.
 
Turns out: No, that's not what the Council needs. At all. Quite frankly, Biigoh's council term is... not remembered fondly.

While his treating the position as a joke now isn't terribly reassuring, the fact he's bitching about people not being impressed with that on QQ (he's staff there) is what's really amazing.
 
So: I do get that most of the staff is from the US
Is this even true? Even then there's a difference between being an American and a -American.
Once again in this thread, lots of people are discussing past events germane to the discussion without linking any sources (or even making explicit enough references to find them.)
Are you too proud to ask for an explanation or link? Because usually people in the loop just talk about things. There's no malicious intent here.
 
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While his treating the position as a joke now isn't terribly reassuring, the fact he's bitching about people not being impressed with that on QQ (he's staff there) is what's really amazing.
All I said was that I wasn't serious enuff for Jackie.

That is bitching? Really? Xd
 
@Biigoh , with regards to the events of the fateful thread, has your stance on communal punishment (which to me, seemed to be the core of the issue) changed since 2016? Such may be an acceptable form of justice for the tanuki tribe, but it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, a taste I would want away from the council dish.
 
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