vol 9 of rwby gets into the brother "gods" backstory a bit basically they are from a non remnant world and are not gods but spirits. Within their world they had the roles and powers of creation (dark) and destruction (light brother) including managing the other spirits rebirth thing they do but they got bored so made a new one to take over and left to go explore.
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vol 9 of rwby gets into the brother "gods" backstory a bit basically they are from a non remnant world and are not gods but spirits. Within their world they had the roles and powers of creation (dark) and destruction (light brother) including managing the other spirits rebirth thing they do but they got bored so made a new one to take over and left to go explore.
Lepidoptera
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There's never been any especially good evidence for this theory, and to my knowledge it's mostly remained as a "wouldn't it be interesting if".
One key difference I've noted is that the Entities can't actually violate the laws of entropy, and are still reliant on obtaining energy in a limited fashion. The Incubators are actually adding more energy into the universe, pushing back the loss of energy from the universe.
I think the most likely shared setting is Undertale with something else. Monsters are sealed underground and thus there's a good reason nobody would know about them. Not to mention we can actually narrow down what it might be connected with based on who does and doesn't have anime.
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That is possible- we can rule out RWBY instantly then because the DONT have anime as a word that can be translated. I think Worm can probably be ruled out because it kinda clashes with undertales backstory- the wizards sealing the monsters implies human magic users aware of soul and there is 0 evidence of that in Worm unless it's in some far off dimension in the cluster. Linus company is… not really possible because no way something like Mount Ebbot could exist in the city. So that leaves PMMM- which is suprisingly possible. I could believe that there were magical traditions at some point before being stamped out by Incubator, I even if he implied he's been here since cavemen. Not sure where the Monsters would come from under PMMM metaphysics though.
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I've got two theories for this:
a) The humans who sealed Monsters under the mountain were Magical Girls. There are very few monsters alive now who were also alive during the war, and they don't talk a whole lot about it. Plus the system of harvesting something from dead people to gain power and magic being derived from emotions has some overlap. It would also explain other mentions in the Librarby of humans being unable to use magic.
b) Monsters come from a different humanity to the one where PMMM is set, but one in the same universe. We know the Incubators both intentionally sculpt the cultures of the civilisations that they harvest from and that they aren't relying only on that world as the only place to get energy from, and anime just happens to be what most magical girl shows are. This is a much bigger stretch, but I think it'd be funny.
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My guess would be PMMM and Worm, because they are both versions of the earth we are hopefully all somewhat familiar with.
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This. Whatever's going on in those other 'contexts', we can't say for sure that reality, physics, the known universe all works the same way ours does, with the same general rules. Like Emma was saying about stars being balls of hydrogen fusion, the other contexts don't have that for sure. It's not just that they're ignorant, it's that even we as viewers of the setting can't actually say that their universe is anything like we're familiar with.
Except PMMM and worm. They both have modern cities, and cars. They use electricity to power lightbulbs, and have billions of humans spread across a planet called earth divided into a bunch of separate nations, and all that other stuff. They're both based fundamentally on reality, with some minor differences (magical girls/superpowers, both coming from an outside influence (aliens) to explain how/why their world differs from the one we live in).
It's not about which worlds could theoretically exist in the same known universe or whatever. 'Rwby is not on earth, so earth could still exist a million lightyears away making it the same context!' except... no. There's a planet with trees and grass and humans, large distinct continents separated by vast oceans. Sure, Remnant isn't Earth... except it totally is, just in a different context. That's pretty much the definition of differing contexts. It's not the multiverse in the worm sense of just being a step different, it's radically different while filling the same space/function in their different reality. It's the same place in a different context. That's what the moderator said when introducing the idea. 'Some of you may have an idea about the multiverse, this is one step beyond that.'
I can't really speak too much to the larger 'Undertale' world, and I know nothing at all about Yuri's setting, but it's easy enough to imagine the same description applies to them. They aren't actually 'Earth' in the way that we'd recognize it, but they're definitely Earth-like in the only real way that matters. It's the place where the humans live. It's where they evolved (or were created?), it's their home planet, by whatever name. It's Earth in a different context.
That's true of all of them, except for the two that are explicitly Earth. Those are earth in the same context.
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thats very much just a fantheory, its not even close to being widely accepted fanon either so just from a meta perspective i dont think the author would have written this with that theory in mind
i think rwbys just out of the picture cause the grimm would be way too conspicuous in any other setting, i guess rwby/undertale is still a possibility though
edit: ah yeah i forgot the anime translation thing, thats honestly a really cool tidbit. the translation feature on nodes isnt gone into very often so its really cool when there is linguistic mismatch. yeah undertale/rwby seems pretty explicitly out of the picture.
undertale/pmmm seems the most feasible but i stand by the fact that undertale/the city would be Really Fucking Funny
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I'm most skeptical of this one because of the Incubators and Entities, really. They're too similar, but they have enough key differences that they couldn't actually be the same thing or working together because of how they function. Specifically that the Entities can't create new energy while the Incubators can, and if they encountered the Entities have incentive to learn how to do it since it's more energy for them and the Incubators have incentive to share the information since it's more energy being added to the universe. That or maybe they'd start an interstellar war, idk. It's possible that they just never managed to encounter one another, but if they didn't then there's very little chance our protagonists will.
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ModScarlet noted that the laws of physics in the shared Realms are different despite sharing a context. The fact that the Incubators succeeded where the Entities failed might just be because Entropy is less breakable in Worm's side of the multiverse.
sicilian
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I think PMMM/Worm cross is a bit unlikely.
Incubator has solved the entropy in a way shards have not. Incubator has agency in a way shards do not. Incubator doesn't plan to stop harvesting, in a way the shards plan to move on. And, I think, people dont really note how darn powerful Incubator civilization is. Their limits are self-imposed.
They more or less have wishcraft after all.
If anything grief and witchiness dynamics and humanity and abnormality seems a lot more analogous. Limbus/PMMM makes a lot more sense. L corp is harvesting energy in a way very similar to the incubators.
Incubator has solved the entropy in a way shards have not. Incubator has agency in a way shards do not. Incubator doesn't plan to stop harvesting, in a way the shards plan to move on. And, I think, people dont really note how darn powerful Incubator civilization is. Their limits are self-imposed.
They more or less have wishcraft after all.
If anything grief and witchiness dynamics and humanity and abnormality seems a lot more analogous. Limbus/PMMM makes a lot more sense. L corp is harvesting energy in a way very similar to the incubators.
The shards don't plan to stop either while they want to solve entropy it's because of how their origin is them overpopulating their planet to the point that they were about to go extinct because they'd consumed all it's resources before the one of them who was smart enough to realise that sacrificed itself to detonate the planet in such a way as to propel the others into space. Following it's message they agreed that the situation would eventually repeat with the universe so they are seeking a way to continue expanding without having to devolve into fighting each other again.
Y'know, I never thought I'd be watching you guys debate the relevance of the existence of anime as an attempt to discover which two redheads shared a world--actually never mind, that's a complete lie. That's part of why I wrote it. But I don't think I was expecting to say that five years ago. Glad I managed to sneak that little bit in; was worried I wasn't going to make it and it was going to have to sit disregarded in my drafts.
I would love to reply to some of these comments, but I kinda can't for fear of spoilers. Disappointing. And for the record, last week, I was going to ask a question about Undertale LV and EXP, but the discussion turned that way without my input. So this time, I'll leave off with a fairly silly question.
Emma doesn't have a corona pollentia in this fic. I think I mentioned it back in Chapter 3, or thereabouts. That said, if that were not the case, what do you think would be a fitting powerset for her in this situation? Whether by Weaverdice rules, your rules, new rules, whatever? There's a little powergenner in all of us, I'd like to think. I'm curious.
I would love to reply to some of these comments, but I kinda can't for fear of spoilers. Disappointing. And for the record, last week, I was going to ask a question about Undertale LV and EXP, but the discussion turned that way without my input. So this time, I'll leave off with a fairly silly question.
Emma doesn't have a corona pollentia in this fic. I think I mentioned it back in Chapter 3, or thereabouts. That said, if that were not the case, what do you think would be a fitting powerset for her in this situation? Whether by Weaverdice rules, your rules, new rules, whatever? There's a little powergenner in all of us, I'd like to think. I'm curious.
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I know a bit about how Shards make their powers, but not everything. The most I know is that powers are based on trauma and get stronger in situations that triggers that trauma (e.g. Taylor being shoved into a locker full of bugs and getting Bug Control that gets stronger when she's confined). The fact that Emma's trauma is caused by powers also means that she's likely to get Trump/Power Affecting abilities. I think Tinker is also more likely if the problem has been simmering a while, without a solution, which Emma's bad coping mechanism counts as I think. So just based on those and a glance at the wiki...
Emma's trauma is rooted in wanting to be strong after getting attacked by the ABB and leaning on her relationship with Sophia (aka Shadow Stalker) as a crutch. Her twisted worldview crumbled when someone she thought was weak turned out to be an incredibly strong and threatening villain with bug powers. Foci/Magi Tinker and Vector Trump. She could create a single tool with multiple functions, built to enhance herself. The tool also interferes with powers somehow... Oh, I know how I want to take this.
Emma's powers revolve around creating a gauntlet loaded with various concoctions. She could inject herself with those concoctions for a variety of personal enhancements, mostly similar to regular drugs, but she could make more exotic things by mixing their effects or by observing other Parahumans. She's especially good at Tinkering when the Cape she's basing things on is someone she has strong feelings about, positive or negative.
In other words, she's a Claw who makes serums through being codependent on someone or by hating/fearing them to her core.
Emma's trauma is rooted in wanting to be strong after getting attacked by the ABB and leaning on her relationship with Sophia (aka Shadow Stalker) as a crutch. Her twisted worldview crumbled when someone she thought was weak turned out to be an incredibly strong and threatening villain with bug powers. Foci/Magi Tinker and Vector Trump. She could create a single tool with multiple functions, built to enhance herself. The tool also interferes with powers somehow... Oh, I know how I want to take this.
Emma's powers revolve around creating a gauntlet loaded with various concoctions. She could inject herself with those concoctions for a variety of personal enhancements, mostly similar to regular drugs, but she could make more exotic things by mixing their effects or by observing other Parahumans. She's especially good at Tinkering when the Cape she's basing things on is someone she has strong feelings about, positive or negative.
In other words, she's a Claw who makes serums through being codependent on someone or by hating/fearing them to her core.
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Assuming that her hypothetical trigger is her stewing in her room instead of at Arcadia itself and ignoring how certain shards bias things such as QA will always give a horde based power. Then to my understanding and without looking it up there's no injury involved so brute is out; there's arguably a need to escape but it isn't the focus so mover would be secondary if there at all; there's not really powers involved so no trump; there was missing information involved so thinker is possible; it is a situation that's gone on for a while and to trigger would obviously come to a head tho is going to be less than Arcadia so tinker is possible but less likely; there's social isolation and unwanted attention so master and stranger are possible tho the node removes master; changer was something like self hatred or wanting to change the self so that's possible; breaker was about altered mind states so probably out and shaker, blaster and striker were about direct and indirect environmental hazards and threats from people or something like that so don't really fit.
That means based on what she's focusing on and the shard it would be some combination of thinker, stranger, changer and possibly mover or tinker. From what we've seen tho Emma seems to be focusing on the threat of Taylor and bugs so I'd say stranger when she tries to go outside and it proves too much for her when she sees a bee hive or something which has the whole doesn't really change her weakness element. Of course she could also end up a changer if she focused on her own weakness in her room instead or a thinker if she agonises over Taylor being Skitter and how it's possible (Lisa actually finally triggered in her sleep after her brother's suicide that she didn't see coming so there is plenty of leeway there).
Well if she does trigger Now It probably would be due to Someone sharing their sense on a bad End so It would likely be a Trump Power of some kind
Strictly false, the monster's mountain could be sitting somewhere in the outskirts.
Beyond that mew mew kissy cutie is another real anime in the undertale universe with enough popularity to lead to a hotly debated sequel. So thats an evidence point and a question. Which universe would develope kissy cutie?
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Undertale/PMMM, why? Both have time travel dinamics, both use emotional Magic, karma is a thing in both of them (Sans karma powers and PMMM magical girl potential) and both systems define the human soul as something with godline power with the right conditions. Also they totally could exist in the same place, Monster world is like a Witch labyrinth only empty.
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As I explained before, 'existing in the same place' is a red herring. You don't want them to exist in the same place, they're not sharing a universe they're sharing a *context*. That word, context, is I feel very very important to this discussion. Two universes can share a context and still be totally inaccessible to each other due to 'regular' multiverse shenanigans.
On the other hand, I have a history of feeling very strongly that I'm right about discussions like these only for the author to eventually dunk on me so maybe it's better to believe the opposite of whatever I say. I'm not traumatized shut up.
On the other hand, I have a history of feeling very strongly that I'm right about discussions like these only for the author to eventually dunk on me so maybe it's better to believe the opposite of whatever I say. I'm not traumatized shut up.
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I would definitely say it can't exist on the outskirts, if only because both the Anime known to reach the underground and of course the seven fallen children. What is known about the outskirts is that it is ridiculously dangerous, to the point where the in-city dangers don't compare. And the City ain't exactly a safe place. How the hell would otherwise normal children make it through to outskirts to fall into the underground?
You forgot that there is many village that human live in the Outskirt (Christmas event from Limbus). So maybe Frisk live in one of them.
sicilian
culling witches
If anything, time travel mechanics with two independent time travellers... it makes for a terrifyingly confusing timeline.
Its kinda funny to admit this on the Worm Website but ive never read worm. The worldbuilding ive picked up via osmosis is pretty neat but its just not something im interested in reading really
Actually yapping alert but the process of me finding this fic was really funny cause i first learnt of its existence from an offhand mention in a youtube comment on a video about library of ruina. i then looked it up on ao3 and saw it was crossposted on here and thats how i learned that sv and sb exist.
yuri's inclusion was the whole reason i was interested in this fic in the first place. apart from that i know a lot about undertale and know enough about pmmm to have dramatic irony about it. rwby and worm are my two unknown quantities here but its fun picking things up via osmosis and its cool that i can care so much about characters from a media i know nothing about
edit: this is the video i saw the comment on. i've osmosised much of pmmm from this fic as well as just generally existing in its like cultural proximity. ive picked up bits of worm from all the other conference call fics and also this fic, and much of my rwby knowledge has come from the author's other projmoon crossover fics as well as this one
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As, like, 70% of fandom, actually.
(25% read few first chapters and drop, and only rest 5% actually told us that canon is)
Then there's the 1 % (that includes me) that have read the sequel Ward and Ridtom who is the only one that liked it and thinks it's good.