Cleaning Up After The Ancients (Stargate SI)

A bright flash of pink light interrupted him before he could finish, the particular color enough to bring the memory of just what it was that he had forgotten to warn them about to the fore, and he turned with a visible cringe to see a young woman in an aqua suit staring dumbly at the small pyramid she had picked up.

"Sorry Grodin." He apologized as Teyla and McKay did their level best to put as much distance between themselves and the former man as physically possible. "Thalia liked her jokes, that should wear off in ten or so days."
So is that just how Thalia was, or did Eventus start making a few practical jokes to attempt to get the Ancients to take 'random events, no matter how unlikely' more seriously, only to them get hoist by his own petard when one of his co-workers enjoyed it a lot more than he would have thought?

Also yeah, certain groups are absolutely going to want that reverse-engineered and I'm not just talking about those who'd like the ability to adjust gender. Because a full body instantaneous safe alteration like that? That is going to be useful for so many medical uses even if it can't be made permanent. And if it can be made permanent, then you've just solved the issue of how to apply genetic therapy, augmentation or alteration so long as you can program the desired change into it.
 
Well, that pyramid prank thing totally isn't horrifying at all

Poor guy. Unless they end up not minding it for some mysterious reason :V
 
Because a full body instantaneous safe alteration like that? That is going to be useful for so many medical uses even if it can't be made permanent. And if it can be made permanent, then you've just solved the issue of how to apply genetic therapy, augmentation or alteration so long as you can program the desired change into it.
The Ancients built ZPMs, used cold-fusion reactors as backups, and had the power to physically heal genetic illnesses at a touch.

The problem of Ancient tech isn't the whole someone thinking "oh I should really reverse engineering it", it's everything that goes into the supply chain needing to be discovered using limited samples and the like.

Like, okay let's reverse engineer the pyramid. Step one, figure out the exact materials they used for it. Step two, figure out why. Step four, figure out how to make these alloys without access to the industrial base of the Ancients. Step five, figure out how to put one together. Step six, figure out what could happen if you fuck up. Step seven, build safety measures to handle that problem. Step eight, build a test-version and use it in limited laboratory environments to determine if its working or if if you just made the Cancerator 9000 that turns all of your cells into cancer.

And so on and so forth.

This is to say nothing if any potential psychic components that humanity at this point outright just doesn't have any ability to replicate at all.

It's very much the issue of how advanced the Ancients are turning reverse engineering anything they created into, "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe."
 
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Damn, am sad that didn't get McKay, maybe he would have been less of an asshole afterwords?
Speaking from experience that would not make him less of an arse, it would merely change how he is inclined to express it, if anything he might be nastier in terms of passive aggressive tactics though I could be wrong and that is merely a behavioural weighting towards social tactics which is far from the determinant of decisions and behaviours.
Granted much of the associated negative stereotypes at least seem to stem early on before adulthood from cliques and how large "friend" groups seem to often bring out the worst in members or things close to it and this is especially bad during teen years.
For instance such groups make men significantly more likely to get drunk and ruin their lives.
Some personalities are more affected by this than others and plenty of folks turn out nasty regardless since you can't account for every partly random thought or what personality traits are simply built in or how they might evolve from there.
 
The Ancients built ZPMs, used cold-fusion reactors as backups, and had the power to physically heal genetic illnesses at a touch.

The problem of Ancient tech isn't the whole someone thinking "oh I should really reverse engineering it", it's everything that goes into the supply chain needing to be discovered using limited samples and the like.

Like, okay let's reverse engineer the pyramid. Step one, figure out the exact materials they used for it. Step two, figure out why. Step four, figure out how to make these alloys without access to the industrial base of the Ancients. Step five, figure out how to put one together. Step six, figure out what could happen if you fuck up. Step seven, build safety measures to handle that problem. Step eight, build a test-version and use it in limited laboratory environments to determine if its working or if if you just made the Cancerator 9000 that turns all of your cells into cancer.

And so on and so forth.

This is to say nothing if any potential psychic components that humanity at this point outright just doesn't have any ability to replicate at all.

It's very much the issue of how advanced the Ancients are turning reverse engineering anything they created into, "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe."
Spontaneous liquification is the smallest side effects I can imagine and like it already extrapolated your species genetic base to duplicate half of your genome while snipping genetic disease copies could always result in a pyramid seed for a series of self replicating cloned abominations hive centered around the item either converting or hunting humans ect. Or it turns people into ancients of the opposite gender imagine doing that to a animal suddenly gaining human awareness while it slowly or suddenly turns back fearing ego death
 
Or it turns people into ancients of the opposite gender imagine doing that to a animal suddenly gaining human awareness while it slowly or suddenly turns back fearing ego death
Turning humans into Ancients with the human memories/reflexes stuffed into the Ancient brain... And, on reversion, the memories acquired while an Ancient rendered back into human-style memories?

That would be... a little messy. Rather more drastic than (just) ATA implants.

Might want to consider Flowers for Algernon...

Might the process become psychologically addictive?
 
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I find the premise of the story both wonderful and absolutely hilarious, and I humbly request more of it please.
 
Alternatively, since it wears off and happens due to a pink flash. It's just the worlds most authentic looking spacial distorting bio-reactive suit.

Shrink some a bit, then just glob on what the computer says would be their female body would be based on their genetics and then hook up the sensations via some psychic resonance. Bam, no muss no fuss and the most dangerous part is the bio-gel stuff being a little sticky when it dissolves.

When the spacial distortion ends, you just pop back to full size and the biological "Green Stuff" just dissolves into saline or something,
 
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The pyramid is a simple combination of a quantum mirror and communication stone. It locates an alternate dimension where everything is the same except that the target of the prank is a different gender, and then seamlessly swaps their bodies while keeping their conciousness in their home dimension. It wears off when the watch battery powering it runs out.
 
Also, that little pyramid would be a godsend for a Trans people. Especially if it can be made to last indefinitely.
What makes you think it doesn't? He said "should". :whistle:


... those people had a groundhog day loop happening on their own planet with... external references to collaborate.

And they don't believe that universe is weirder than they thought.
To be fair to McKay here, the idea of dream parasites is a lot more soft science then an area of looping time.


The warships could be useful yeah, but the probably need ancient pilots?
Technically just someone with the ATA gene.


So is that just how Thalia was, or did Eventus start making a few practical jokes to attempt to get the Ancients to take 'random events, no matter how unlikely' more seriously, only to them get hoist by his own petard when one of his co-workers enjoyed it a lot more than he would have thought?
That was just how Thalia was, the "Cleanup Corps" was where the Ancients tended to subtly direct younger Ancients who were a little... Off...

Also yeah, certain groups are absolutely going to want that reverse-engineered and I'm not just talking about those who'd like the ability to adjust gender. Because a full body instantaneous safe alteration like that? That is going to be useful for so many medical uses even if it can't be made permanent. And if it can be made permanent, then you've just solved the issue of how to apply genetic therapy, augmentation or alteration so long as you can program the desired change into it.
Ironically touched upon by McKay next chapter.


Well, that pyramid prank thing totally isn't horrifying at all

Poor guy. Unless they end up not minding it for some mysterious reason :V
The juxtaposition between Eventus's blase attitude about what happened and how horrifying it was to the non-Ancients was a big part of the point with that. :D
 
The juxtaposition between Eventus's blase attitude about what happened and how horrifying it was to the non-Ancients was a big part of the point with that. :D
"Oh yeah, everyone swapped around a little when they were kids. Hell, many still do depending on how they're feeling if it's time for a party. Well, did. Usually ended up with more girls than girls, apparently it's more fun to party that way, though I couldn't say. I swear."

:V
 
The pyramid is a simple combination of a quantum mirror and communication stone. It locates an alternate dimension where everything is the same except that the target of the prank is a different gender, and then seamlessly swaps their bodies while keeping their conciousness in their home dimension. It wears off when the watch battery powering it runs out.
This is nicely done and elegant as an idea. Also, symetrical, as both alt-dimensions will likely have an upset target, and no goatee beards are required.

Downside? While probably weird enough, are there enough strange consequences for it to be how the Ancient tech works?
 
Downside? While probably weird enough, are there enough strange consequences for it to be how the Ancient tech works?
Could always have things go rather awry when multiple people trigger it at once. Two people merged into one gender flipped body? Ending up with 2 of one person's consciousness and none of the other? Etc, etc. Nothing like weird unintended edge cases!
 
Chapter 6 - Yes, That Happened
Chapter 6 - Yes, That Happened​


"He turned into a woman?" John repeated to make sure he heard the two right.

"Right there in front of us." McKay confirmed as he took another bite of his mashed potatoes.

"It was quite distressing." Teyla agreed as she carefully steeped her tea. "Peter is being examined by Doctor Beckett now, but he did not seem particularly hopeful about being able to reverse it."

That wasn't very surprising, even with all the Stargate program weirdness John had read about, a sudden sex change wasn't exactly something he could recall anyone having encountered before.

He frowned as a sudden thought occurred to him. "What about the device?"

"I had Zelenka deliver it to my lab." McKay said as he moved onto the jello. "I have a theory about how it works, and if I'm right we're talking about a Nobel Prize level discovery here."

"You couldn't just ask Evan?" John inquired as he mentally prepared himself for the very real possibility that this time next week they'd be dealing with a female McKay.

"We did." Teyla admitted as she removed the tea strainer and took a sip of her drink. "However Thalia apparently wasn't known for keeping notes about her practical joke devices. And in the case of exposure, they either waited it out, or called upon the city's medical staff to reverse whatever was done."

Something about the name and context was familiar to John, and he wracked his brain for a moment before it hit him. "Thalia? As in the Greek muse of comedy?"

McKay gave him an odd look. "I don't know. Maybe? I'm not exactly up to date on post evacuation Lantean history."

"So what's your theory?" John prodded, wanting to avoid yet another surprise like the time McKay had thrown himself off the balcony.

"The flash of light got me thinking." McKay began, only to pause as he finished his jello and looked over to Shephard's own uneaten bowl.

He pointed his spoon at the bowl. "Are you going to eat that?"

"Yea." John returned in a slightly annoyed deadpan, well used to McKay's proclivities with food at this point.

"Just didn't want it going to waste." McKay defended as he set his spoon down. "Now. What was I saying? Oh right, the flash of light. Well, it reminded me of what you see with transport rings. So I'm thinking the device briefly broke Grodin's body down the same way those do, and then immediately reassembled it in a slightly different configuration."

"And that's big because?" John asked once it became clear McKay wasn't going to expand on the subject any more than he already had.

"Because if you can alter the configuration one way, you can alter it others." McKay put forward as he wagged his finger at them. "And even if it's limited to minor genetic changes like with Grodin, the potential medical uses alone are staggering."

John wasn't sure he would consider a sex change a minor difference, but arguing that seemed like a good way to end up having to sit through a multi-hour long McKay lecture.

Teyla frowned at McKay. "Would medical uses not require a level of permanence not supported by Eventus's words that the effect should wear off?"

"Yes." McKay admitted. "But after you left to take Grodin to medical, he mentioned he had never encountered that particular device before and was basing it on his experiences with most of Thalia's other practical jokes."

And most suggested that there were some that hadn't.

"I assume you tried having Grodin put the device down and just pick it back up again?" John pressed, well aware of just how blind their scientists could be when it came to trying simple solutions.

Teyla gave a slight incline of her head that John had learned meant someone had made a well acknowledged point. "It was the first thing I suggested Peter try."

"I'm guessing it either detects some residual energy on a person from their last exposure or keeps an internal record of those it affected and then blocks them from being affected again." McKay added in.

Those sounded to John like things that could easily be linked to a timer of some kind.

"No experimenting with the device for two weeks." He ordered, mentally debating as he did whether he should have someone move it out of McKay's lab just to be on the safe side. "We'll have Grodin try it again at the end of that. And if it still doesn't do anything for him, then you can open it up to try and find out how it works."

McKay frowned, and for a moment it looked like he was going to argue before he rolled his eyes and let out a sigh. "Fine."

"Anyways." John continued as he shot the disappointed scientist a look to tell him he would absolutely be checking. "It's not like you have a lot of time to be doing that anyways since we still have our ZPM hunt to get too. Unless Evan happened to have one laying around alongside everything else?"

"He did." Teyla offered with a small amused smile. "But I believe it was mostly depleted."

"Less power than the one on M7G-677." McKay confirmed with a grimace. "And that's not even taking into account whatever that other Ancient was doing to it."

He snapped his fingers as a look of excitement flashed over his face. "Though that reminds me, I found our new uniforms."

"Rodney, no." Teyla immediately objected, looking anything but pleased at the direction the man was going.

John looked between the pair, not entirely sure he wanted to know, but fully aware that if he didn't ask there were good odds that it would come back to bite them on the ass. "New uniforms?"

"We had to travel through several flooded portions of the city to reach the maintenance depot." Teyla explained. "To do so, Eventus provided us with aqua suits from one of the city's water based facilities."

"Think wetsuits." McKay added in smugly. "Without any of the downside of actual wetsuits, and made out of a material that I suspect is related to what Anubis used to make the undersuits of his super soldier armor."

Which, if true, placed those suits high up on the list of technology Stargate Command had wanted them to keep an eye out for.

He turned to Teyla with an inquisitive look, knowing she wouldn't have spoken out so forcefully against the idea if there hadn't been something that made the idea unpalatable. "And the problem with them?"

"It is a somewhat lengthy procedure to put them on." Teyla confessed as she refused to meet their eyes in a way that suggested there was more to it then just that. "And take them off."

He spent a moment working out how that might be a problem in field work where urgency could often be a premium before wincing slightly. "Okay, I can see the problems with that."

Especially for women, who tended to have it more than a little bit rougher than their male counterparts when it came to on the run bathroom requirements.

"So we'll shelve that idea for later." He told McKay as Teyla shot him a grateful smile.

He turned an expectant look back to McKay. "I don't suppose there was anything else important I missed?"

McKay took a moment to consider the question, and John could all but see him mentally running back over his time with the Ancient. "Nothing I can think of. Well. Other than the fact there might still be some Ancient warships around."

John felt his eyebrow twitch slightly as he took a calming breath to avoid reaching over to strangle McKay, as that was without a doubt the thing he should have brought up first.


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Author's Notes: I spent yesterday in a metaphorical bunker, so have a chapter.
 
Especially for women, who tended to have it more than a little bit rougher than their male counterparts when it came to on the run bathroom requirements.
John, you need to ask more questions... If those suits don't fully handle all bathroom and general body maintenance issues, for days, we can be very surprised.

On the other hand, 'skin tight'. And, is the Ancient equivalent of talcum powder needed beforehand, and a really thorough shower, afterwards?
 
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Considering that Janus was most likely the inspiration behind the Roman God, Thalia was most likely the Muse as well...

Though keep that device away from Jack when contact is eventually established, as he might decide to use it on a certain annoying Senator...
 
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