Cleaning Up After The Ancients (Stargate SI)

I suspect the wrath were something the ancients could slap down and deal with the first few times that the wrath attacked them. but the wrath were hardy enough to survive the attempts, and smart enough to not immediately go back for round X until they thought they had something that might work. Which eventually led to them figuring out how to zerg rush the ancients to the point they need those actual warships, and not giving them time to realize they need warships and make them. at which point they went bail that galaxy and isolate it.


I feel honestly instead of the war lasting a hundred years
it should have lasted several thousand or a hundred thousand

with the ancients winning every battle but slowly giving up territory because defending it wasn't worth the effort then one day they wake up and realise the entire galaxy has been basically over run.

basically the wraith win because the ancients do not view it as an actual war until its too late.


I think in canon its mentioned that the wraith used endless clone waves to grind the ancients down.


I would imagine that after winning the war against the ancients. there was a massive wraith civil war where the idea of hibernation between cullings was established and agreed on at the end of it
 
We see that the Ancients are capable of making war automata in the Asurans. If they were so lazy and distracable I wonder why they never built an AI or something whose purpose was to guard their territory so they don't have to worry about war and stuff.

Or are the Wraith truly the first and only species in history the Ancients couldn't handle by just slapping a few guns on a handful of science vessels, upgrading their shields and annihilating whoever was stupid enough to interrupt their SCIENCE!!! time?
My HeadCanon about the Ancients is that their society operates in cycles. It is a society unstable on a micro scale but extremely enduring on a macro scale.
This involves a cycle of expansion and recession that dates back to the earliest parts of their history (the escape from their home galaxy or befor). The society would progress and expand across galaxies until technological and biological advancements reached a critical point, leading to the disappearance of the majority of the population—either through catastrophes (like plagues) or during massive ascension events. There would always be a few individuals left behind, less "evolved," and from these remnants, Alterran society would rise again. Atlantis and other city-ships were specifically designed to mitigate the effects of these cycles and preserve knowledge and technology still usable and understandable by the survivors.
Such an event occurred shortly before the Wraith war, leaving Lantean society significantly diminished in capacity. Following this logic, the past 10,000 years have merely been another one of these episodes, and Alterran society can be reborn as usual through Eventus and the survivors. Ten thousand years are insignificant compared to the entirety of their civilization's history.
This even explains the head sucker. Since it was certainly not created for h. Sapien. It is a way for alterrans of the following waves to regain the knowledge of the preceding waves.
 
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Following this logic, the past 10,000 years have merely been another one of these episodes, and Alterran society can be reborn as usual through Eventus and the survivors. Ten thousand years are insignificant compared to the entirety of their civilization's history.
Nice theory... bit of a shock to the homo saps, though. Of course, maybe they get hit by an 'Uplift virus', and all become Ancients? The ATA gene mod is sorta first stage of that? That would shake things up...
 
Nice theory... bit of a shock to the homo saps, though. Of course, maybe they get hit by an 'Uplift virus', and all become Ancients? The ATA gene mod is sorta first stage of that? That would shake things up...
a backup plan. Janre if it is impossible for alterrans to re-establish we start over with humans. Like what happened in canon. Humans at the end of the series seem to be headed towards the role of master of this space.
The thing with humans is that all humans in both mw (they all come from earth) and pegasus are anotomically modern homo sapien. And without much difference. Which is weird. So the ancients probably kept pegasus humans in a form of biological uniformity. And to me that only makes sense if they were some kind of genetic stock.
 
Sort of makes sense. To stop the higher planes from filling up with endlessly culturally identical ascended beings (and possible stagnation), they instead re-seed galaxies with a 'devolved' version. Then let that devolved species advance to the point that it too can ascend (with guidance), bringing with them new diversity and points of view.
Then just repeat.

I guess Heaven would get pretty boring after a while if everyone was identical.
 
I'm curious about eventus feelings on the war on a more personal level, he doesn't really seem to have internalised that all the people he worked and made friends with either died or ascended. Sure he made a comment of it but it felt a bit detached. Perhaps it's the level headed nature of being 400 years old helps you deal with grief differently but he still seems out of it somewhat, distracting himself by joining in the antics of the SG folks.
 
I imagine the Daedalus's ZPM will be returned to earth for defense there

or for easy dialing of the gate to atlantis

Even after they gained access to multiple ZPMs after the incident with the Tria and the Asurans taking Atlantis, they left one to provide power to Atlantis, used another to power the Ancient weapons platform in Antarctica, presumably since it was the only known weapon they had that was capable of stopping an Ori ship, and used a 3rd to provide extra power for the Odyssey. I'm honestly not sure if they could plug one into the SGC without draining it after a few uses.

My guess is since the Ori aren't on the radar yet, they may just use the other ZPM and leave it aboard the Deadalus to let that ship make fast round trips. Even after the Deadalus started milk runs between Earth and Atlantis, there where quite a few times they could have used the ship but it had already left and was out of range to call to turn around, or on the way to Atlantis but still a week or more away. In universe during the time period of SGA series 2 and SG-1 series 9, I'm also thinking Deadalus could have been held closer to Earth for a time after the Prometheus was destroyed, but before the Odyssey was ready to be used.
 
after the Prometheus was destroyed, but before the Odyssey was ready to be used
Might Evan want to avoid the destruction of Prometheus? Getting an Ancient shield, even if not driven by a ZPM, which was enough to tip the balance so it survives, even if the shield is burnt-out? Would Earth having more ships fit his plans?
 
We see that the Ancients are capable of making war automata in the Asurans. If they were so lazy and distracable I wonder why they never built an AI or something whose purpose was to guard their territory so they don't have to worry about war and stuff.
That's pretty much what the Asurans were when you get down to it.

Or are the Wraith truly the first and only species in history the Ancients couldn't handle by just slapping a few guns on a handful of science vessels, upgrading their shields and annihilating whoever was stupid enough to interrupt their SCIENCE!!! time?
Any time the Ancients encountered something that they couldn't handle, historically they just ran away to another galaxy.


I'm curious about eventus feelings on the war on a more personal level, he doesn't really seem to have internalised that all the people he worked and made friends with either died or ascended. Sure he made a comment of it but it felt a bit detached. Perhaps it's the level headed nature of being 400 years old helps you deal with grief differently but he still seems out of it somewhat, distracting himself by joining in the antics of the SG folks.
He's distracting himself from that by having other people around to talk to.

Which, well, see coming chapters.
 
Sort of makes sense. To stop the higher planes from filling up with endlessly culturally identical ascended beings (and possible stagnation), they instead re-seed galaxies with a 'devolved' version. Then let that devolved species advance to the point that it too can ascend (with guidance), bringing with them new diversity and points of view.
Then just repeat.

I guess Heaven would get pretty boring after a while if everyone was identical.

no guidance.

Its mentioned oma is breaking the rules by helping people ascend

though the others did help orlin ascend again but it seems like there might be an internal vote which makes it acceptable.

I think the ancients just enjoy doing wacky insane projects
sure lets seed an entire galaxy with life and see what happens.

Given how the nox and how the ancient asgard looked I would not be surprized if both of those races where the result of the ancients seeding galaxies.
it also explains all the humanoid aliens the ancients prefer seeding with a base template that looks like them
 
Might Evan want to avoid the destruction of Prometheus? Getting an Ancient shield, even if not driven by a ZPM, which was enough to tip the balance so it survives, even if the shield is burnt-out? Would Earth having more ships fit his plans?

Given how much the Tau'ri accomplished in later seasons with a shoestring fleet, even preventing one of the Earth battlecruisers that where destroyed from being destroyed would be a significant force multiplier.
 
Hmm. Ancient shipyard. If that and a Tau'ri ship or two got to say 'Hello'...

I was thinking along the lines of sending 2 or 3 Puddle Jumpers to the SGC, maybe even loaning Sheppard to General Landry for a month or 6 weeks to familiarize SGC personnel with the ships. Against Ori warships I doubt 2 or 3 would do much if any significant damage to even a single ship. But the Ori weapon satellite that destroyed the Prometheus could be a much different matter.
 
I was thinking along the lines of sending 2 or 3 Puddle Jumpers to the SGC, maybe even loaning Sheppard to General Landry for a month or 6 weeks to familiarize SGC personnel with the ships. Against Ori warships I doubt 2 or 3 would do much if any significant damage to even a single ship. But the Ori weapon satellite that destroyed the Prometheus could be a much different matter.


you don't need to send sheppard to landry

you just need to send one of the jumper pilots
 
you don't need to send sheppard to landry

you just need to send one of the jumper pilots
Swap Sheppard for Vala, she has a lot of flight time, and experience with driving alien ships than most. All that Goa'uld memories and Peacekeeper 'Farscape' time, for example.

Oh. Were we not supposed to mention that? :)

(You don't think Vala can sniff-out MCs, and will like Evan?)
 
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Swap Sheppard for Vala, she has a lot of flight time, and experience with driving alien ships than most. All that Goa'uld memories and Peacekeeper 'Farscape' time, for example.

Oh. Were we not supposed to mention that? :)

(You don't think Vala can snuff-out MCs, and will like Evan?)


Vala was not really a goa'uld for that long given her father was still alive


Plus Her Goa'uld was extracted and the only person unless I am missing someone we have seen have flashes from goa'uld memories was carter whose symboite chose to die

Farscape is awesome though
 
Shepherd: You stunned them.

Eventus: They stood in my way when I was saving their world. I don't feel bad.

Shepherd: Because they stood in your way?

Eventus: Pretty much.

Shepherd: I see ... say, doesn't Rodney always do that? Why don't you stun him?

McCay: Hey!

Eventus: Oh, he does. But he is like a funny little pet. I'm annoyed, but seeing him come to the right conclusion is amusing.

McCay: HEY!
Compared to what most precursor races would do, Eventus is basically an angel. I'm still waiting for the Atlantis expedition realizing that they're guests now and that Eventus could just beam them away whenever he wants to.
 
Compared to what most precursor races would do, Eventus is basically an angel. I'm still waiting for the Atlantis expedition realizing that they're guests now and that Eventus could just beam them away whenever he wants to.
Where would he send them? The mainland? With all their equipment?

Downside? He'd have no one left to talk to, or be bemused/outraged at what he did... Sounds like a net minus...
 
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Where would be send them? The mainland? With all their equipment?

Downside? He'd have no one left to talk to, or be bemused/outraged at what he did... Sounds like a net minus...

Counter point. The ancients that were rescued did just that.

Admittedly there were more of them, but snubbing your rescuers when they also have enough energy for intergalactic FTL isn't smart. Especially when Atlantis wasn't repaired or at full power. They could have at least just let the expedition stay in another part of the city.

At least that's unlikely to happen this time. Once the vote is triggered, Evan or one of the Expedition members will be registered as officialy in charge of the city. Even without that, Evan as a civilian with high authorization is outside the warship's chain of command. Making things messy compared to the unified front we saw in cannon.

Compared to what most precursor races would do, Eventus is basically an angel.

He explicitly explained the problem and his rationale for what he planned to do to Weir beforehand. That alone puts him way ahead of most advanced species humanity encounters in Stargate. He even did ask to talk to the person in charge.

"Were saving people from the Wraith." Is a pretty good reason. You will die in 14 years if you listened to me right this second, and under a year if you don't is a massive moral high ground. Especially when it's clear they aren't listening and the options without the warship mean negotiations will likely stop.
 
Chapter 17 - Emergency Cooling
Chapter 17 - Emergency Cooling​


The purpose of Control Chairs had been to act as a master control that would allow a single person to run everything the Control Chair was connected to.

That job unfortunately required a lot more than just the standard neural interface, because even his people hadn't been capable of splitting their consciousness hundreds of different ways at once. So the chair's hardware contained a large number of subsystems solely dedicated to offloading a large portion of what would otherwise be tasks requiring direct micromanaging by the user.

Hardware subsystems which extended down into the platform the chairs were situated on in such a way that left Eventus continuing to wonder to this day, just how the SGC had moved the one in Antarctica outpost to Area 51 without rendering it completely useless for anything more then being what was likely the world's most comfortable chair.

Even among control chairs however all weren't considered equal, Atlantis's for example was top of the line multi purpose, and Eventus had gotten to use it a grand total once to optimize the city's maintenance drones repair work after Queen Death had attempted an alpha strike on the city and knocked out a good eighty percent of the population with some sort of psionic weapon.

Taranis's control chair on the other hand was a bare bones model optimized for facilities control and maintenance work. But that was perfectly okay with him since facilities control and maintenance work was really the only thing he wanted out of it.

Twitching a finger in the gel interface, he brought up a holographic wireframe of the drydock facility, as he mentally began reconfiguring the shield generators for what he needed to do to keep the whole place from going up.

Using the internal sensors, he added each of the two hundred thirty seven Taranians to the wireframe before using the internal systems to project a holographic screen in each of the rooms they were occupying with a video feed of currently hazard suitless self sitting in the control chair.

"Hi. I'm Eventus. Your local Ancient slash Ancestor slash Lantean who just woke up from a ten thousand year nap on Atlantis and is about to save your lives. This is going to involve a series of moderately strong groundquakes that will begin in roughly thirty seconds, so please brace yourselves."

With that warning given he set the hologram to begin a countdown as he pumped up the facility's inertial dampening generators to minimize the shaking as much as possible. And then, once the timer hit zero, redirected the facilities shield so it was being projected directly into the caldera's magma chamber.

The results were instant as the low near subsonic rumble of moving earth began echoing through the facility, moments after which the seismic sensors showed the actual tremors starting to hit.

Watching the magma chamber's temperature slowly inch down, Eventus visibly cringed as the over-worked and under-maintained shield generators began to inch into overload territory as they were pressed to both absorb the magma's heat and project their energy through all the solid ground beneath them.

He hadn't wanted to do this first thing, since it would impact the general levels of power the facility had to utilize on repair efforts. But the shield generators had been in worse condition then he had hoped, so even a week or two delay could have meant the difference between a partially burned out shield and a fully burned out one.

It took nearly a full hour for the magma chamber to reach a more stable temperature. During which time he isolated the primary drydock from the transport network, began the process of generating a fresh supply of repair nanites, initiated the startup sequence for the bay's gantry arms, brought online the maintenance drones, and ran through the spare parts inventory to see what he had to work with.

"I really should see if I can find a blank Companion when I get back to Atlantis." He muttered to himself as he considered the conversational utility of having one of those artificial intelligences around. "Or maybe grow an assistant in one of the gene-labs."

Checking the status of the facilities shield emitters, he was pleasantly surprised to find he'd managed to limit burnout to slightly above sixty percent. They wouldn't be able to survive a siege or anything, but with the facility's anti orbital pulse weapons still moderately operational they would likely be able to fight off a hive-ship without getting blasted to bits if one showed up.

Not that he thought that particularly likely, as a check of the facility's sensor logs showed the Wraith had never visited the world once during the past ten thousand years. Which cast some even heavier doubt on the story he remembered the Taranian's telling the Atlantis expedition about discovering it by following a tremor revealed passage.

Directing the chair back into an upright position, he got up to stretch and pulled one of the granola bars he'd grabbed from the cafeteria out of his pocket to snack on.

"Excuse me! Hello!" A somewhat muffled voice called out from the other side of the door as he was halfway done and debating with himself whether to chance the room's drink dispenser. "I don't know if you can hear me in there! But I'm kind of stuck!"

Staring in bemusement at the door for a moment, Eventus walked over and tapped the crystal to open the door.

The door slid open without issue, revealing the glow of multiple active security force-fields, which looked to have been triggered when the attractive blond woman within attempted to override the door lock.

"You know." He began as the woman shot him an embarrassed look. "Normally I'd be moderately annoyed about the obvious fact someone ordered you to break into the control chair chamber after the show I put on earlier. But I have multiple days of work ahead of me and a sudden realization that I've been using the presence of others to keep from falling into a moross about the fact that everyone I knew and cared about has been dead for thousands of years.

Self understanding was a pendulum that swung both ways after all.

"So congratulations." He continued as he gave her a grin. "You've just volunteered yourself to be my adjunct."

A look of panic flashed across the woman's face as she looked between him and the open door control. "That's not… I was just… Everything went dead, and then the lights and ventilation stopped working, so the Chancellor ordered me to try and get in so we could restore control."

He frowned at that, because if the lights and ventilation had gone out when he'd locked them out of the system that was at least somewhat his fault for not running a full error check before starting on his work. Worse, it had probably made the resulting string of quakes an absolute nightmare to live through.

So he could at least understand why the Chancellor might have tried to push his luck and ordered whatever her name was to try and override the lock and get to him. Not that it really changed anything about what he'd decided to do with her, but it did mean he wouldn't hold it against the Chancellor.

"Probably a system fault." He finally told her as he gave the woman an apologetic shrug. "I only meant to lock your people out of the control systems so you wouldn't do something stupid that would mess up my saving you from the super-volcano that was maybe a year away from exploding."

"Anyways, your name? Because just calling you woman all the time would be moderately rude."

"Norina… Norina Pero…" She said, eyeing the force fields boxing her in not unlike a trapped house-cat faced with someone trying to give it a bath.

"Well, Norina." Eventus said, testing the name out in a way that made her cringe slightly. "I'm currently on my lunch break, so how about I begin by explaining why running this place on full power for an extended period of time was a bad idea."


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Author's Notes: Really, she's just lucky that Eventus likes having people around to talk to while he does things. Otherwise he would have left her there for the rest of the day as an abject lesson on using the doorbell first.
 
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