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Chronicles of the Wyrm (Dragon Quest)

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The Laurent said:
...I'm still going for Paladin. Or at least I want to see if I can do it.

So, maybe I'm asking about Paladin?
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Honestly Paladin is pretty easy, since a lot of it's class features hinge on permanent buffs to your character. Those all stay the same. Their prepared spells probably work like a Cleric.

Clerics, for the record, can do damn near any divine spell whenever they like, provided it's in-theme for their deity... but they have to pray for each and every one of them. More complicated and powerful spells require more lengthy and in-depth prayer. If you just want to enchant your holy weapon then brandishing it with a roar of "Iomedae guide my blade" is probably sufficient, whereas healing a child on the verge of death from horrible sickness requires kneeling at their bedside for a prolonged period, locked in devout prayer.

The Laurent said:
No, seriously, we could make it work.

Like, we wear a mask as a dragon...and then also pretend to be a lazy, good-for-nothing Gold Dragon that just lazes all the time.

"Whoever could the mysterious masked dragon who saved the princess be? It can't be LazyDragon, he never does anything! But who?!"
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I am now imagining that your wyrmling dragon spends a lot of time running around the interior of the lair playing elaborate make-believe games of their future career as a crime-fighting superhero.

Daralathxyl just sort of watches you with a bemused expression.
 
Maugan Ra said:
Honestly Paladin is pretty easy, since a lot of it's class features hinge on permanent buffs to your character. Those all stay the same. Their prepared spells probably work like a Cleric.

Clerics, for the record, can do damn near any divine spell whenever they like, provided it's in-theme for their deity... but they have to pray for each and every one of them. More complicated and powerful spells require more lengthy and in-depth prayer. If you just want to enchant your holy weapon then brandishing it with a roar of "Iomedae guide my blade" is probably sufficient, whereas healing a child on the verge of death from horrible sickness requires kneeling at their bedside for a prolonged period, locked in devout prayer.



I am now imagining that your wyrmling dragon spends a lot of time running around the interior of the lair playing elaborate make-believe games of their future career as a crime-fighting superhero.

Daralathxyl just sort of watches you with a bemused expression.
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Okay, my list of things I want to do has expanded.

1) Paladin.
2) Bard--We can be a musical dragon, right?![1]
3) Vigilante. Just for that.

[1] Honestly, I like the Bards for the, uh...you know, part where they are a bard? Like, I want our Gold Dragon composing songs and trying out silly rhymes and playing an accordion or something. At least, that's one of the things I want.
 
The Laurent said:
No, seriously, we could make it work.

Like, we wear a mask as a dragon...and then also pretend to be a lazy, good-for-nothing Gold Dragon that just lazes all the time.

"Whoever could the mysterious masked dragon who saved the princess be? It can't be LazyDragon, he never does anything! But who?!"
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I would ask why but the fact that you actually thought about the plan indicates that why never really came into it.
Maugan Ra said:
I am now imagining that your wyrmling dragon spends a lot of time running around the interior of the lair playing elaborate make-believe games of their future career as a crime-fighting superhero.

Daralathxyl just sort of watches you with a bemused expression.
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Oh god what if he decides that we would need other people to play our game with.
Just flies in with three or four people frozen in terror and tells them to be the robbers.
 
Golden Dragons don't really seem like one to go silly. If we were a bard I can imagine us being a mix of Apollo and Kvothe. I do want a less martial-focused occupation, Dragons are so much awesome when they subvert expectations
 
The Laurent said:
What physical classes do you like?
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Personally, I find the basic fighter entirely boring. Feats in pathfinder are plentiful in number and lacking in excitingness.

I like the Barbarian's rage powers, but rage wouldn't be my angle on a dragon. The Brawler's HtH ability may similarly not fit too well.

So on to my picks,

Vigilante, if one picks the Avenger speciality, has the full BAB of a fighter plus some nice combat talents. If one picks another specialty, BAB drops and not all fighty talents are available, but they remain pretty good in a fight while also getting (rogue-like abilities if Stalker specialty, or magic if a Warlock, Cabalist, Magical Child). I like the idea of a dragon with a secret identity too ^^

Slayer is interesting. It's something of a Ranger-like, but instead of magic it has rogue-like sneak attack, study-opponent-to-find-weaknesses stuff with a good range of skills too. I'd be for this.

The Paladin is pretty solid, and has some variants to focus more on martial or magic.


There's also Swashbuckler. I'm not too fond of the point-pool 'deeds' mechanic for their abilities, but hey, swashbuckling stuff. Though fairly focused on swordplay, so despite how cool a pirate dragon would be, maybe not. Anyway, I bet some would be interested n this, so I mention it.
 
The Laurent said:
No, seriously, we could make it work.

Like, we wear a mask as a dragon...and then also pretend to be a lazy, good-for-nothing Gold Dragon that just lazes all the time.

"Whoever could the mysterious masked dragon who saved the princess be? It can't be LazyDragon, he never does anything! But who?!"
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If we went Magical Child, our outfit would magically change, so if our disguise one is complicated, we can really have the excuse, "So, you thought, what, I had a half-dozen servants help me remove a costume in the last minute....?".

Any vigilante can flat-out hide their alignment too, so LazyDragon can be known as ethically lax due to the influence of a red (or alternatively, Masked Dragon gets to be ethically dubious due to our upbringing while Lazy appears good ^^).

And besides, we get a cool familiar and some buffing spells. Or if we go Avenger, just cool fighting talents- one doesn't actually need to use the secret ID aspect, but it's there if we want it.
 
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Maugan Ra said:
I am now imagining that your wyrmling dragon spends a lot of time running around the interior of the lair playing elaborate make-believe games of their future career as a crime-fighting superhero.

Daralathxyl just sort of watches you with a bemused expression.
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I was picturing our character as being something more along the lines of Batman with the spark that ignites our heroic journey being the tragic death of our foster father at the hands of (INSERT DESIRED ANTAGONIST). This seems like a good way to motivate our character and encourage him to pursue paths to power that are not tradionally followed by Dragons because anything powerful enough to kill Daralathxyl will be far stronger than even a fully grown Gold Dragon.
 
Execute/Dumbo said:
Oh god what if he decides that we would need other people to play our game with.
Just flies in with three or four people frozen in terror and tells them to be the robbers.
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Daralathxyl, for the record, has never been a parent before.

He's basically operating on a combination of 'how hard can this be' and basic Draconic instincts. Considering those instincts are what led him to become a Chaotic Evil terror of continents, certain... misunderstandings are bound to arise.
 
Maugan Ra said:
Daralathxyl, for the record, has never been a parent before.

He's basically operating on a combination of 'how hard can this be' and basic Draconic instincts. Considering those instincts are what led him to become a Chaotic Evil terror of continents, certain... misunderstandings are bound to arise.
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o_O...

Oh my god...

This is going to be amazing! :lol:lol:lol
 
I just read about the class. Vigilante has some potential, but I'm opposed for a bunch of reasons:

1. I'd didn't join intending to play tongue in cheek superhero game. It would be a jarring shift in tone and genre.

2. Why would a Gold Dragon even want or need to disguise himself?

3. How would the disguise stuff even work? Disguise ourselves as another dragon? That requires insane suspension of disbelief. Disguise ourselves as a mortal? We can do that anyway. Hell I'm pretty sure we can disguise ourselves as another dragon naturally.

4. While the abilities are evocative, they don't synergize well with being a dragon. And not in a 'the numbers are suboptimal' way, but in a 'why would a dragon need this' way. Why does a dragon need better weapon finesse or the ability to move fast in armor, or an improved shield bash?

We can still act like a disguised crime fighter if we really want, but all we need to do it are our natural draconic abilities.
 
Xantalos said:
...aren't Red Dragon instincts to leave the eggs and let the hatchlings fend for themselves?
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You can see why relying on them might lead to problems...

I might be making this sound like wacky hijinks... and to some extent it is... but it's also important to remember that Daralathxyl is an unashamed mass murdering tyrant who burns entire families for the crimes of their relatives.

There is probably going to be some mood whiplash caused by the Red Wyrm's casual attitude towards cruelty and genocide.

The general plan is to largely skip through much of the upbringing and maturation, and then only focus on the day-to-day stuff when you leave the lair and go hunting for a domain of your own.
 
Yeangst said:
I just read about the class. Vigilante has some potential, but I'm opposed for a bunch of reasons:

1. I'd didn't join intending to play tongue in cheek superhero game. It would be a jarring shift in tone and genre.

2. Why would a Gold Dragon even want or need to disguise himself?
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Not actually required in the class. Note that you can just go the 'Iron Man route' of being public... but even if you do, you have both social talents and fighty talents. Gathering information talents, being popular with a territory talents- that'd be nice for protecting a horde. Heck, safehouse talent- Makes our horde's location undetectable to magic!


3. How would the disguise stuff even work? Disguise ourselves as another dragon? That requires insane suspension of disbelief. Disguise ourselves as a mortal? We can do that anyway. Hell I'm pretty sure we can disguise ourselves as another dragon naturally.
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What if our disguise simply hides our color? That seems doable. DM's call, of course. But, again, the class is not all about the disguise aspect, it's one ability and it's still a flexible fighty-sneaky-social class.

Another thing is it hides our alignment, which has it's uses.

4. While the abilities are evocative, they don't synergize well with being a dragon. And not in a 'the numbers are suboptimal' way, but in a 'why would a dragon need this' way. Why does a dragon need better weapon finesse or the ability to move fast in armor, or an improved shield bash?
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There's enough options that we can simply not-take those in favor of the hit-harder, remove dex bonus, bonus to combat maneuvers, etc. talents, some of which synergize with dragonness quite well.

Heck, I wouldn't take the shield bash one if I was playing a human, unless I *really* wanted to be Captain America.
 
Tekomandor said:
Fighter/Wizard type.
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Aren't the Magus and the Eldritch Knight good classes for those?

Ct613hulu said:
I would be interested in playing as a Vigalante. The class has a lot of fun features that could enable our protagonist to better function with humanoid society.
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I insist a Dragon Investigator is a better idea. A Dragon smart enough to Sherlock his way out of a puzzle... Then burn down the perpetrators for justice! Extra hilarity if we take the Alchemist Discoveries feat and start using mutation potions.
 
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