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By the way how can anime fans ignore obvious racism and racist creators like the Dragon Quest composer.
Can we talk about the intentional blindness in Anime fans to certain themes in select series?
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By the way how can anime fans ignore obvious racism and racist creators like the Dragon Quest composer.
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My own thing here is I tend to have my suspension of disbelief set really, really high because it's super annoying when I get pulled out of it. And am rather oblivious by default on top. So yeah, I'm the kind who completely misses the untones and I feel horrible/disgusted when they get pointed out and I realize.
(Also how the hell did SAO of all things end up as apparently considered an isekai?)
(Also how the hell did SAO of all things end up as apparently considered an isekai?)
Any chance you can just give us a full list of all the terrible, racist creators we're supposed to be cancelling in this thread? You know, instead of spreading it out across every page or two with a new random Terrible Person of the Day.
Or failing that, you could at least take these above the level of driveby shitpost by adding a link, or an article, or something to prompt actual conversation about the subjects? Or even their name, I had to go through multiple google searches to find Koichi Sugiyama the aforementioned composer, then another about him to discover "wow who would have guessed the Japanese man born in 1931 has lingering issues of supporting Imperial Japan and denying war crimes".
Because they don't care or don't know? You yourself didn't even use the guy's name, I had to google him up. It's fairly easy to remain unaware of the unpleasant beliefs of somebody whose job doesn't do anything that injects those beliefs into a work.
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I was on YouTube and surprise surprise, Joey interviews the creator of Redo of Healer.
Was about to post the video, but the thumbnail is questionable, so I just link it.
Was about to post the video, but the thumbnail is questionable, so I just link it.
Twitter talks about how a monster the creator is, but the guy is surprisingly casual. You just want to grab a drink and talk with him.
And the guy is actually pretty smart. He knows how much controversy it will cause and he just runs with it. Instead of creating 100 general fans, he decides to make 50 passionate fans.
I mean, look at 50 shades of grey. The story is... trash, but it has many devoted followers.
Also, he's taking a stab at the revenge LN. It's always one or two chapters of revenge, then OP harem story. Which, I gotta admit, has a point.
The man is smart* and he took a gamble with it. And he succeeded.
The story is not my cup of tea, but I can respect what he does.
*Then again, there's a thin line between being a genius and being completely insane.
And the guy is actually pretty smart. He knows how much controversy it will cause and he just runs with it. Instead of creating 100 general fans, he decides to make 50 passionate fans.
I mean, look at 50 shades of grey. The story is... trash, but it has many devoted followers.
Also, he's taking a stab at the revenge LN. It's always one or two chapters of revenge, then OP harem story. Which, I gotta admit, has a point.
The man is smart* and he took a gamble with it. And he succeeded.
The story is not my cup of tea, but I can respect what he does.
*Then again, there's a thin line between being a genius and being completely insane.
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Because it isn't obvious to them? Some of that is because people engage with works only on a superficial level and actively refuse to engage with themes. Some of that is because bigotry is endemic and people don't notice things they already agree with. Some of that is because fans have an unhealthy investment in their work to the point they treat any attack on the work's text or background as a personal attack. Some of it is because they simply do not know the background of the creators or other contextual elements. I mean like "fan" is short for "fanatic" its not actually a favorable descriptor. You kind of answer your own question. Why would fanatics ignore something negative about a work they are fanatical about should be self-explanatory.
In any case though your attitude of "why aren't people outraged at something I dug around on and found a reason to be outraged about" to be rather tiring especially since a lot of is genuinely stuff that'll roll right past most people. Like people probably drop Highschool of the Dead for the gross fanservice well before they get into the far-right political party subplot. The stance that you shouldn't send money to creators who do bad things or whose games say bad things strikes me as an exercise in futility anyways. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, all the companies you get products from are monsters by nature, and a lot of their CEOs and higher-ups are monster by nurture.
If you don't want to send money to people who are actively promoting alt right politics I can get that. If you want to promote better messaging in entertainment works and critique bad messaging, I can get that. But getting mad at, say, Halo because its actually kinda fash strikes me as a recipe for just getting hopelessly pointlessly mad all the time.
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Very simply: not a lot of stuff like that makes it to our infosphere. I had no clue he was like that until reading it in this thread. Unless it becomes widely known, you can't assume any given person is aware of it. I don't even know the names of the composers in most games, and know his only because he had a monster named for him in DQ8
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You have to be careful liking things. If you're not careful, you might become a fan.
Fans are bad, and will therefore defend bad creators.
Fans are bad, and will therefore defend bad creators.
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What Redo's author did is something that is exclusive to a relatively niche medium where there is a weaker grip on creative pipelines by execs who don't favor the mass appeal strategy like say Disney and Hasbro who have to be mindful of the opinions of both shareholder and critics. Redo and similar work can get away with problematic content that will indubitably attract a dedicated fanbase who will defend it even if it involved themes like gratituous sex, unsubtle innuendo and making things uncomfortable for someone from Polygon or ANN. Look at how much complaining the same fans who like Redo and similar series when it comes to how they feel western entertainment is becoming woke and eliminating problematic takes on hot button issues like race and mental health and deliberately excluding them from the core audience. These niche works have an audience is small but dedicated fans who wants problematic content.
I was a fan of certain works and with the anime medium and I have learned to become critical of it to the point here on SV I got called out on my harsh criticism for it, so I don't think every fan is incapable of noticing the negative aspect of their work let it be mechanical or social/cultural aspect.
Still pushing for a more compassionate approach to consumption of entertainment shouldn't be stopped because it is a privilege that some of us get to enjoy. Not everyone have the capacity to engage with entertainment on a higher level beyond escapism as most of us are underprivileged socially or finacially. That we should just be enjoying entertainment as a means to break away from the dreary routine of capitalism, but yet we see newer generations of journalism be able to express themselves politically which goes against the message of entertainment as escapism. So I don't think Konradleijon is being so hopelessly mad at everyone as she has the ability to constantly discuss entertainment on it's social/political/cultural merits.
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I can usually just ignore 'problematic' themes in fiction as long as they're not super blatant and the content is entertaining otherwise. Sometimes in a 'so bad it's good' way. But some stuff is just trash with no redeeming value whatsoever.
H. P. Lovecraft was a racist douche, but he was also a great writer with a lot of creative ideas, so I like his writing.
This 'Redo of a healer' thing, on the other hand, just looks like hot garbage.
H. P. Lovecraft was a racist douche, but he was also a great writer with a lot of creative ideas, so I like his writing.
This 'Redo of a healer' thing, on the other hand, just looks like hot garbage.
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Did Redo"s author do something racist?
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No, his work is mostly shock content that isn't suitable in today's mainstream entertainment industry that don't find the idea of misogyny selling well.
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Despite his movies he does not seem to be a "right winger", after all he did try to make a " feminist " movie.
I just think Eli is just a crass guy who is not very smart although he is passionate
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Yeah Roth is really just casually racist and stupid, not maliciously racist and stupid.
Like, one of his defenses for how indigenous peoples were portrayed in Green Inferno was literally "I showed them Cannibal Holocaust and they thought it was funny."
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He also has a somewhat more progressive step when it comes to sex since he dislikes the horror trope of promiscuous characters dying first, hence why so many of his characters are "horny on main"
Hence why blacklisting him is not a good choice. Remember folks we on this side of the political spectrum educate instead of punish!
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That's only what Roth said, we have no way to no if it's true, and I'll never forgive him for making Green Inferno, which is way more then casual racism
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You really need to find a better opener for these kinds of conversations. I have no clue who that is or why I should care and people who are aware of who he is but not whatever thing you think he did wrong probably won't care either because you don't even bring up what he did in the first place. Your goal seems to be shitting on randoms for supporting racists more than spreading awareness about harmful creators.
Even when you give an example of someone's supposed sin, you don't even explain why something is racist for people who don't have any context. What conversation or response do you want? "Yes Konradleijon, this creator is very bad and anyone who likes them is bad, thank you for calling out those very bad people." Why not, actually discuss the reasons why fans shield certain creators and not others or biases certain creators have in their work. And why the focus on people that almost no one talks about, or are obviously not a current topic. "Why is no one addressing this dead series???" It seems to me like you only care about the part where you get to go around hitting people with internet wiffle bats until they stop having opinions they didn't know were wrong to have.
Also, when you start talking about condemning a show or game because of the people who worked on it rather than the content, you might as well give up on any work created by more than a handful of people. I doubt that there's ever been a movie or TV show made that didn't have someone with problematic beliefs work on it; simple probability basically guarantees it. Even with games you'd have to restrict yourself to indy games made by tiny dev teams to even hope to avoid "problematic" people; and even then it'd be a matter of luck, they don't go through some kind of political vetting process before being allowed to make games, so you'd have no way of knowing what they are like.
At that point you're hurting yourself a lot more than you are hurting them.
At that point you're hurting yourself a lot more than you are hurting them.
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I am quite comfortable dropping works based on the people who worked on them.
For instance, i am not going to finish reading Harry Potter, or reread Ender's game (no, i am not going to lend them from the library).
But i am not going to go out of my way to do background checks on people before reading a book or playing a game, nor would i expect anyone else to do so, because that way lays madness.
For instance, i am not going to finish reading Harry Potter, or reread Ender's game (no, i am not going to lend them from the library).
But i am not going to go out of my way to do background checks on people before reading a book or playing a game, nor would i expect anyone else to do so, because that way lays madness.
Notably that's somewhat different than a TV show or a movie, since that's a matter of a work being created by one person with at most minor contributions from others.
EDIT: Also in at least the case of the Potter series many of the complaints I've heard have been about the content, not just the writer.
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here it is
'The Green Inferno' Review: Lousy Film, Plenty Racist
Tara Houska, Ojibwe, reports that the film "The Green Inferno" trivializes grassroots efforts to draw attention to the plight of Amazonian tribes.
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>Hermione choosing Ron over Viktor Krum
>Harry hardly ever bullying Snape
>Ron after book 3
ya think?
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Yep in the modern days Snapes whole backstory of being a racist shit that called a women he had a crush on a racial slur, causing her to not like him for obvious reasons and be radicalized into the wizard nazis, is kind of far beyond sympathetic
I've never actually read the series, so I didn't feel qualified to bring up examples. Although the ones I see brought up a lot in discussions are house elf slavery and goblins being Jewish caricatures.