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Bootstrapping (Multi-cross, Book 2 - Now in Naruto)

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Alayne said:
Well, summoning those stealth cats seemes like it's going to be a very good thing soon.
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Not gonna lie, I somehow completely forgot about that.

Who wants to watch a Samurai Lord's fortress get demolished by angry cats?

So not only will there be Awkward Questions at the end of a killing spree when Erika wakes back up, but then people are also going to wonder what exactly she did to make an entire summon clan that protective of her.
 
Miri said:
Can always just pick it up with long handled tools..
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Actually, they can't pick it up, with or without tools. Here is a quote from the Author:

This reminds me, unless Sclamhaire is being held by Ericka, or in its sheath on her back, they'd find her impossible to move. She'd eat the kinetic energy of them trying to move her just as easily as any other nonEricka energy. So the sword doesn't move, and if you grab it your hand is likely to get frozen around it, and then she kills you. So it's entirely possible that Sclamhaire is this immovable thing in the lobby of the hospital or where ever she landed.

Basically that only way they can move Sclamhaire is if they can do so by moving Ericka.
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This reminds me, unless Sclamhaire is being held by Ericka, or in its sheath on her back, they’d find her impossible to move. She’d eat the kinetic energy of them trying to move her just as easily as any other nonEricka energy. So the sword doesn’t move, and if you grab it your hand is likely to...
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Don't forget all of the other secret techniques she literally started this chapter off by mentioning. How strong do you think her telekinesis is at this point, if she goes all out? Can the cats call for more cats?

Also, how in the world does he expect this to go in the long run anyway? She went to his house and then disappears, there's not exactly a huge suspect list. Or does he have the clout to get away with just vanishing her?

But all I can really think about is darn, Fire might just get their defector after all. At least they're trying to seduce her with matches of the appropriate gender as a bare minimum.
 
Lasombran said:
Actually, they can't pick it up, with or without tools. Here is a quote from the Author:

This reminds me, unless Sclamhaire is being held by Ericka, or in its sheath on her back, they'd find her impossible to move. She'd eat the kinetic energy of them trying to move her just as easily as any other nonEricka energy. So the sword doesn't move, and if you grab it your hand is likely to get frozen around it, and then she kills you. So it's entirely possible that Sclamhaire is this immovable thing in the lobby of the hospital or where ever she landed.

Basically that only way they can move Sclamhaire is if they can do so by moving Ericka.
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Then I wonder: Would Sclamhaire devour just the kinetic energy to try and move it? Or would it eat through whatever they use to try and pick it up?
No matter, since it might not be known just yet, but someone is about to lose a hand.
After all, that was said to be the most likely result of someone who is not Erika to touch Sclamhaire.
 
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Whelp.

This noble just bit of faaaar more then he could chew.

Even if he managed to get her locked up somewhere... there is no where that she can't escape. Especially with the Cat Clan.

Shit is about to hit the fan and its going to be fascinating to see.

I look forward to the Cat Clan kicking ass and seeing the result of this. We KNEW that some shit went down in Iron before Canon hit... else how would Mifune be the leader when he was merely a highly skilled Samurai.

Looks like the Iron Civil War is about to kick off in full. Especially when Ericka unleashes.

And, god damn it, I really hope we get the follow-up soon. Because that is an ouch of a cliffy.

As it is, they have no fucking idea what or who they are dealing with. And, I suspect, Ericka's time in Iron is about to end.
 
zadcap said:
Also, how in the world does he expect this to go in the long run anyway? She went to his house and then disappears, there's not exactly a huge suspect list.
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Well, these guys seem to be planning a straight up coup, so making one orphan girl disappear is kind of a non-event.

She's an orphan with no family, and not nobility, her standing in a feudal system is kind of.... shit.

The fact that the suspect list is short is irrelevant. They expect her to be able to pop out babies with the same powerful bloodline abilities she displays. They need the thinnest of lies to cover her kidnapping, and in exchange they get multiple strong new abilities in the country. The few political allies she has are the people they already oppose, they aren't worried about pissing off anybody who matters.

If she were normal for the setting their plan would be fantastic. She's not though, so somebody about to get their shit wrecked.
 
Considering she can just be reverse summoned by the Cat Clan if worse comes to worse... there is literally nothing they could be doing unless they have major ninja support with skilled Sealing artists.
 
All he's really done is speed up her timetable for leaving Iron. She only became a Samurai to get access to their library and her status as a prodigy is because she spped ran her training so to have a shorter enlisted time (2 X training time). She can't have much time left and may no longer want to hang around after her mandatory enlistment ends, assuming she doesn't just leave early. Both sides of the civil war are fighting to get her on side and she can just up and leave.
 
TypoNinja said:
Well, these guys seem to be planning a straight up coup, so making one orphan girl disappear is kind of a non-event.

She's an orphan with no family, and not nobility, her standing in a feudal system is kind of.... shit.

The fact that the suspect list is short is irrelevant. They expect her to be able to pop out babies with the same powerful bloodline abilities she displays. They need the thinnest of lies to cover her kidnapping, and in exchange they get multiple strong new abilities in the country. The few political allies she has are the people they already oppose, they aren't worried about pissing off anybody who matters.

If she were normal for the setting their plan would be fantastic. She's not though, so somebody about to get their shit wrecked.
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Her standing isn't as bad as you make it up to be. She is not just a random orphan, she is a known genius and has the backing of a family that has the ear of the daimyo and they already proved they care about her by shielding her from the rival faction up to this point. There is also the fact that some people probably think she is a bastard of their family since she has the same eye powers. All in all, she isn't some nobody they could just disappear and their plan is anything but fantastic. The only way this plan makes any sense is if they are about to attempt a coup. Since they would be controlling Iron after the coup there would be no repercussions for the kidnapping. It also makes sense that they would want Ericka out of the picture during the coup, as their plan requires her to be alive after the takeover.
 
Lasombran said:
Her standing isn't as bad as you make it up to be. She is not just a random orphan, she is a known genius and has the backing of a family that has the ear of the daimyo and they already proved they care about her by shielding her from the rival faction up to this point. There is also the fact that some people probably think she is a bastard of their family since she has the same eye powers. All in all, she isn't some nobody they could just disappear and their plan is anything but fantastic. The only way this plan makes any sense is if they are about to attempt a coup. Since they would be controlling Iron after the coup there would be no repercussions for the kidnapping. It also makes sense that they would want Ericka out of the picture during the coup, as their plan requires her to be alive after the takeover.
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Err, yea her position is that bad. I already explained why.

They are planning a coup, and are already politically opposed to the people who might protect Erika, they don't have to worry about upsetting the nobles she's friendly with.

Being a genius doesn't help either. The difference between an orphan and a valueable orphan is that one is ignored and the other is a target.
 
TypoNinja said:
Err, yea her position is that bad. I already explained why.

They are planning a coup, and are already politically opposed to the people who might protect Erika, they don't have to worry about upsetting the nobles she's friendly with.
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Yeah, I already said their plan makes sense if they are attempting a coup. I just disagree that her kidnapping is a "non-event". You worded your post in a way that suggested her birth status meant that no one would care about it but if they need a coup to be able to kidnap her without repercussions then that's not the case is it? After all, if they take the control of Iron violently they could take her even if she was a noble, her status of birth doesn't really change much when the blades are drawn.

TypoNinja said:
Being a genius doesn't help either. The difference between an orphan and a valueable orphan is that one is ignored and the other is a target.
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What do you mean it doesn't help? They are kidnapping her because she is valuable. That means the people they kidnapped her from will also value her and will not be silent about it, even if they didn't consider her family. As I said if they need a coup to be able to touch her, then she isn't "just an orphan girl" and her kidnapping isn't a "non-event".
 
Lasombran said:
Yeah, I already said their plan makes sense if they are attempting a coup. I just disagree that her kidnapping is a "non-event". You worded your post in a way that suggested her birth status meant that no one would care about it but if they need a coup to be able to kidnap her without repercussions then that's not the case is it? After all, if they take the control of Iron violently they could take her even if she was a noble, her status of birth doesn't really change much when the blades are drawn.


What do you mean it doesn't help? They are kidnapping her because she is valuable. That means the people they kidnapped her from will also value her and will not be silent about it, even if they didn't consider her family. As I said if they need a coup to be able to touch her, then she isn't "just an orphan girl" and her kidnapping isn't a "non-event".
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There's also the fact that she's a relatively prominent political football. The rebel lords have been recruiting young dumb samurai as they graduate because the established ones do not want to be forced down the path of pseudo ninja disposable assets.

Kidnapping Ericka basically confirms and validates all of the fears they had about the rebel faction, cause they're straight up pulling a fucked up ninja village move here.

Even if Ericka didn't have a noble family backing her the military establishment has plenty of reason to react to this very poorly.

If anything I'd say that her birth status, political connections, and material value are unimportant compared to the her effective canary in the coal mine status for the other samurai.
 
This story is usually good at avoiding idiot balls.

But Ericka falling to poison twice in three chapters while still missing an appropriate answer the second time is sort of crazy.
She landed in a world where the vast majority of people with magical powers are called ninja, poison should have been one of her primary concerns.

I get that she is supposed to be more relaxed in this world compared to DXD, but going into an hostile situation with only one contigency and not sounding the alarm the instant her thoughts became muddled streches things too much.
 
Lasombran said:
Actually, they can't pick it up, with or without tools. Here is a quote from the Author:



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This reminds me, unless Sclamhaire is being held by Ericka, or in its sheath on her back, they’d find her impossible to move. She’d eat the kinetic energy of them trying to move her just as easily as any other nonEricka energy. So the sword doesn’t move, and if you grab it your hand is likely to...
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Huh. Well then, this guy has a very distinctive and powerful sword stuck in his floor like some kind of autherian legend.. "Whosoever draws this sword is the rightful ruler of Iron... and the cats!"
 
I liked the chapter, but that poison better be some super rare unpreventable stuff or I am very disappointed that someone with the ability to steal poison immunity hasn't done it in a place full of literal ninja :D
 
Tersin said:
"If you will not serve Iron willingly, that's fine. You will serve it anyway," he says with an audible smile.
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Y'know, I'm wondering at this bit. How can he make an unwilling captive 'serve Iron' in this scenario?
Babymaker? Too long-term to help in an impending coup even if she wasn't sterile.
Flash-cloning? If they have the 'technology', the thing about her sterility is that she is conceptually unable to create life, so anything made/grown from her flesh or blood would be similarly nonviable.
Front-line fighter? They might get away with it with some kind of mind-control, I don't know how that would work on her.

No, I think they are going to use her politically somehow, maybe her vanishment can be used as a black mark against her patron family, or somehow allow them to properly kick-start their coup while remaining in the good graces of some other important faction. Maybe stage an assassination and frame Ericka for it. Maybe use her as a trading good in exchange for ninja assistance.
 
Norr said:
Babymaker? Too long-term to help in an impending coup even if she wasn't sterile.
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The promise of being able to produce these bloodlines would presumably be enough to secure political support from fence sitting lords.

Ones who haven't quite made up their mind based on the plans could be convinced with tangible results in hand. If you're trying to convince people your faction would be better at running the country, demonstrating that you can add what amounts to several new strategic weapons to the arsenal would be a bonus. Ninja start young too, its not like training a new generation of the army. You can toss out bloodline limit kids at 12.

Fairly dark, but there's a lot about the Naruto world that'd be pretty goddamn grim if it wasn't a kids show. Unique superpowers linked to parentage in a world powered by subterfuge is going to start at kidnapping clan females and go downhill from there fast. On the other end of the scale (and that happens in show, because mass murder is less squick than sex crimes) wiping out that family, man, woman and child, to take those weapons away from your enemy is also going to be a thing.
 
This whole thing is incredibly fucked, but I have to say that I'm curious about how exactly the cat clans are going to react to this while Ericka is out.

Obviously they'll stage a rescue attempt as ordered, but in the meantime they have a stable foothold in the elemental nations and no human mediator to make them give a shit about the finer details of local politics.

That might not normally be that much of a problem, but Ericka is their King Arthur figure, so they have a reason to actually get involved.

Waking up to a pile of heads and the news that her cats are technically at war with a substantial portion of Iron over their treatment of the clan's only princess would be a hell of a shock.
 
Norr said:
Flash-cloning? If they have the 'technology', the thing about her sterility is that she is conceptually unable to create life, so anything made/grown from her flesh or blood would be similarly nonviable.
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Remember, they don't know about her inability to create any life. All they know is that she is 100% uninterested in having any physical reltaionships with men.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Obviously they'll stage a rescue attempt as ordered, but in the meantime they have a stable foothold in the elemental nations and no human mediator to make them give a shit about the finer details of local politics.
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I think their oath also involved something about working in her interests if they ever summoned themselves. So they can't, you know, overthrow the local lord for shits and giggles, since she wouldn't.

Though it wouldn't even take feline levels of sneaky to justify kicking the shit out of somebody after they kidnapped her, soooo yea me thinks some fireworks are coming. After all the loophole is easy here. She told them to come get her. She never said anything about not bringing friends.

Krazyfan1 said:
i thought she also said that she was unable to have kids?
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If you were planning on kidnapping somebody for a breeding program, with or without their cooperation, would you take their word for it?
 
TypoNinja said:
If you were planning on kidnapping somebody for a breeding program, with or without their cooperation, would you take their word for it?
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Also depending on what shenanigans they're planning, all they need is her blood/flesh etc.

Of course trying to take those samples runs into other problems as we saw with the arrow.
It's an arrow that wakes me up. The spike of pain in my thigh jerks me awake and into a sitting position. I can hear the sound of my fellow samurai starting to respond to the ambush and the civilians crying out in pain and fear or scrambling for cover. I reach for the arrow to pull it out when blue-white fire erupts around it from the wound. The feathers and wooden shaft of the arrow are vaporised immediately, and moments later I can feel the metal arrowhead still in my wound softening. I push myself into a more upright position, and watch wide-eyed as molten metal drips from my wound, sizzling and spitting as it rolls down my thigh and lands on the ground. The last of the metal flows from my leg and with a last puff of flame, the wound vanishes.
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And if somebody attempts surgury etc? Oh boy, get out the blast-shields and fire extinguishers.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Also depending on what shenanigans they're planning, all they need is her blood/flesh etc.

Of course trying to take those samples runs into other problems as we saw with the arrow.

And if somebody attempts surgury etc? Oh boy, get out the blast-shields and fire extinguishers.
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Does Naruto have casual cloning tech like that?

TypoNinja said:
I think their oath also involved something about working in her interests if they ever summoned themselves. So they can't, you know, overthrow the local lord for shits and giggles, since she wouldn't.
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Yeah, but there are two relevant loopholes here. The first being that "her interests" weren't clearly defined (on screen at least) which leaves room for a certain amount of interpretation when left without guidance.

The second is that only the contract holder swore those particular oaths.

So ET phones home for backup, and the clan heads learn that some uppity shits have decided to do something heinous to the head of their political establishment and significant cultural icon.

Choosing to interpret this as state on state violence wouldn't require a violation of any oaths by the people who swore them, but would give them motive to expend extra effort to express their displeasure. From a certain perspective it's not even wrong.

Not that it's guaranteed to go down that way, but it seems like a reasonably plausible direct for things to go - if dialed down a little from the meme levels of my post.
 
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