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Bloody Evolution (RWBY / LoR)

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Binah won't kill Ash brcause Binah doesn't want to. She likes Ash, she wants to see her grow.

Even at it's height the Pianist was a WaW and Binah is an ALEPH. Ash simply isn't a real threat.

More so then just spite I fear this incident means that Carmen is moving towards open conflict with us. Given our actions so far that likely means either Salem or Ironwood should be pushed to futher oppose us.
 
questioningmeme said:
I forgor yet again.

Its a good thing Angela booked the man before he dissolved into the light then.

Otherwise Carmen would be uncontested right now.
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Unless I'm forgetting something. Ayin never got booked. He dissolved in the Light as planned to power the Seed of Light. Angela doesn't see him again until she enters the Light herself, where he apologizes to her.
 
Alright, time to close the votes. It seems you decided not to heed the advice given to you. But that is okay, I already expected it.
Adhoc vote count started by Naron on Dec 12, 2022 at 10:57 AM, finished with 160 posts and 47 votes.
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Well, not like I did not expect that. Looks like Binah will- not interfere~
 
Naron said:
Alright, time to close the votes. It seems you decided not to heed the advice given to you. But that is okay, I already expected it.
Adhoc vote count started by Naron on Dec 12, 2022 at 10:57 AM, finished with 160 posts and 47 votes.
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Well, not like I did not expect that. Looks like Binah will- not interfere~
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And yet all our effort are for not. :(
Indeed it is Binah who chooses what to do. But eh we tried.
 
Naron said:
Well, not like I did not expect that. Looks like Binah will- not interfere~
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Ah, good one! Looking forward to her trick not working and Binah interfering.

Vaniel :p said:
And yet all our effort are for not. :(
Indeed it is Binah who chooses what to do. But eh we tried.
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Don't think that what she's telling is true, Carmen's stick is manipulation via words, it isn't strange that she would try to make us think we're powerless, I very much anticipate her being wrong.

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Also, the fact that Camen tried and is trying to make us think we cannot intervene here is proof she's afraid of us doing it, she knows Bianh can make Ash better and she don't want it, if anything, I think she is trying to make Binah distort here, by *showing* her she can't do anything, I also think she did a wrong read and is about to regret it.

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Even if Carmen somehow manage to actually make it so that Binah don't interfere, I can see quite a lot of elements she hasn't taken into account that can, Ozpin, Weiss, Penny, Ruby, Yang, hell, even Roman, and that's not my complete list.
 
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Caremn isn't omnipotent. The end of Library showed that you can butt heads with her and outright win. Of the Sephirah Binah is also notable as the only one who's meltdown isn't about her. It's her testing Ayin and if he really can break the cycle. Binah simply doesn't break.

I fully expect that this defiance means Carmen is going to be declaring outright war from here on out. This was likely Carmen taking someone we cared for as retribution for eliminating her pawns.

Rejecting this means that she has no reason to play a 'polite' game of tit for tat. Things are going to get interesting.
 
Thing is, I don't think Carmen can influence Remnantians that much, she could get Ash because Ash is from the City, she doesn't have that for anyone else, the next things she'll move will not be any humans, it will be the abnormalities, particularly, The Jester.

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Also, Carmen is not the type to escalate, she moves in the shadows, she murmurs at ears, she tells *advices*, she doesn't actually do things herself, she just tried making Ash a pawn against us, but without pawns, she's powerless.
 
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questioningmeme said:
Mainly because Ayin made it so that she literally cannot. But I understand the sentiments.
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It's been a while, I would have sworn that he 'just' left her aware of the loops and her role in them. God, he even planned for miss 'I actually killed half the facility and enjoyed doing so' to get a better ending then Angela.

Ayin was a fucking asshole.
 
Dream Logic said:
It's been a while, I would have sworn that he 'just' left her aware of the loops and her role in them. God, he even planned for miss 'I actually killed half the facility' to get a better ending then Angela.

Ayin was a fucking asshole.
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It's mainly because Ayin utter hatred for the Head and took it out on Binah. He wants to ensure she never forgets her role, forcing her to look straight into the extraction process of abnormalities for all those 10,000 years.

I mean, she did kill most of his remaining 'friends'.

: Saying that though...The way Binah refers to Ayin makes it sounds...weird...
 
Did everyone just forgot binah have veto right?
If she doesn't like what we are doing or not doing, she can just say no, it will only damages our relationship with her.
Carmen likely think that we are in the control here.... So she likely wants us to tell binah to fuck off, but sadly she failed to be more observant.
And we can repair this relationship by telling binah the truth after this fucking ordeal is done as a final *** you to Carmen
 
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questioningmeme said:
It's mainly because Ayin utter hatred for the Head and took it out on Binah. He wants to ensure she never forgets her role, forcing her to look straight into the extraction process of abnormalities for all those 10,000 years.

I mean, she did kill most of his remaining 'friends'.

: Saying that though...The way Binah refers to Ayin makes it sounds...weird...
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Ayin was pretty much on a mental break after Carmen died. Honestly he probably was on one when they decided to test Cogito on the Sephirah too. Binah also has a strange amount of respect for Ayin when you get down to it. I get the impression she would enjoy keeping his company these days.

I know it doesn't quite fit but I like to think that Mountain of Smiling Bodies is Binah's fault. That it formed from the corpses of everyone in Welfare when Chessed let the abnormalities loose to save himself.
 
Dream Logic said:
Ayin was pretty much on a mental break after Carmen died. Honestly he probably was on one when they decided to test Cogito on the Sephirah too. Binah also has a strange amount of respect for Ayin when you get down to it. I get the impression she would enjoy keeping his company these days.

I know it doesn't quite fit but I like to think that Mountain of Smiling Bodies is Binah's fault. That it formed from the corpses of everyone in Welfare when Chessed let the abnormalities loose to save himself.
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The respect binah gave to ayin is mainly
for his determination alone and after the meltdown:
"even when two of us are so much the same, you still defied the way of the city as best you can. One has to wonder... How far do I have to push you for you to break? How far do I have to push you for you to end this pointless task?"
This is her mentality before the meltdown.
"...You defeated me. Very well then, it seems like you are dead set on this road of no return, and you have conquered your fear of The Head. now my interest has grown too big and i simply cannot stand aside and see you break. I have to see... where will you go? "
This is after the meltdown.
 
kaillll said:
"...You defeated me. Very well then, it seems like you are dead set on this road of no return, and you have conquered your fear of The Head. now my interest is grown too big and i simply cannot stand aside and see you break. I have to see... where will you go? "
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She straight up got hit by the Shounen Friendship bonk post Meltdown. Ayin is on a completely different level man.
 
kaillll said:
Did everyone just forgot binah have veto right?
If she doesn't like what we are doing or not doing, she can just say no, it will only damages our relationship with her.
Carmen likely think that we are in the control here.... So she likely wants us to tell binah to fuck off, but sadly she failed to be more observant.
And we can repair this relationship by telling binah the truth after this fucking ordeal is done as a final *** you to Carmen
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I think it's really important to keep in mind what Binah actually wants right now. At least, what we can infer she wants. She is realizing pretty violently that she actually cares about Ash and Ash is in the one sort of danger that Binah cannot invalidate by being a motherfucking Arbiter. I imagine she's angry at just about everyone and everything but especially at Carmen. Binah already knows both that Carmen is active in Remnant and that she is directly responsible for Distortions.

Myself and most of the other voters are currently interpreting the vote as being rigged by Carmen. She is of the Light and is most likely trying to force Binah onto the path that causes the most emotional trauma. That is to say by having Ash reenact The Pianist's rampage and likely forcing Binah to kill her. Binah is wounded emotionally and the incident will serve as rampant fuel for future distortions.

Given everything going on it seems prudent that we push for Binah to act. We are not dictating what that action is only that her rapid descent into a completely passive observer is not a healthy nor correct way of dealing with this situation.

questioningmeme said:
She straight up got hit by the Shounen Friendship bonk post Meltdown. Ayin is on a completely different level man.
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Binah is the most/least Shonen character. Even her reason for siding with Angela amounted to "I will protect her smile"
 
Considering that the library literally using beating people up until they become sane again as a therapy session and the final goal of l corp being saving humanity, I think is pretty like a shonen anime
 
kaillll said:
Considering that the library literally using beating people up until they become sane again as a therapy session and the final goal of l corp being saving humanity, I think is pretty like a shonen anime
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It's basically a seinen with the storytelling of a shonen.

It tackles some "deep" themes, all while forging ahead towards with the spirit of a shonen.

The incomprehensible madness that is the will of the city? Smack it with a one-two punch from Yesod.

The all-consuming nature of the City's cycle? Some shock therapy will cure your mental illness.

The Library of Ruina is very shonen.
L-Corp is a lot more seinen in comparison.
 
...* Ego and distortion are literally power of emotion*
...* Blue sicko gang literally is a group of people using the power of friendship, but doing bad things*
......*Roland Is a typical ' I'm way more powerful and way more suspicious then I first appeared'character*
...........*Xiaos Power of love*
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Fuck.
 
SITB said:
Binah reason for siding with Angela was literally "I want to see the results of Ayin's action to the end"; it's even mentioned in this fic when Ash asked her about it. :V
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It's a lot more indepth than what we are referring to.

Generalizing it as "I want to see the results of Ayin's action to the end" is an accurate descriptor. But saying Binah did it for Angela too isn't inaccurate either.

The "Results" of Ayin's action are very broad after all.

Saying that she sides with Angela because she wants to get a taste of that legendary HamHamPangPang sandwich isn't inaccurate either because that restaurant is also a result of Ayin's action. :V
 
Dream Logic said:
It's been a while, I would have sworn that he 'just' left her aware of the loops and her role in them.
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No, she do references him making changes that makes it impossible for her to become mad while looking at the well, she couldn't have done her job if he didn't.

kaillll said:
Did everyone just forgot binah have veto right?
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I didn't, I did say that Binah would intervene no matter if Carmen's telling the truth about us telling her not to intervene or not, I just think that she also overestimated her administrator's rights and is going to encounter a surprise *yeah, no, we will still tell Bianh what we actually want*.

Actually, I can even see a scenario that got all of this: Binah receive an order not to intervene, scoff and begins to lecture Carmen on doing a better impression of us if she wants to be believed, then we push through and tell her to intervene, with her probably pointing out she would've done it anyway even if we actually did say not to.
 
Binah stated that the only thing she derives joy was from seeing the suffering of others (and than taunted X/Ayin about being the same kind of person), she was willing to help* Angela up until she fights against her with the rest of the Sephirah at the bad end when Angela continues the cycle. She doesn't care about Angela as a person (frankly she spoke more with Ash in this fic than with Angela in the entirety of LoR and LC combined), but after the Core Suppression she is interested in seeing if people manage to break the cycle or not.

(Frankly I suspect Binah is angry at Carmen because Carmen deliberately targeted Ash instead of letting Ash naturally fall or raise on her own merits and tried to cut Ash's story short).

* She slacked off until The Red Mist reception, and even when she knew what Roland was in the library for she let his and Angela's play conclude despite being able to derail it at any given moment.
 
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SITB said:
Binah stated that the only thing she derives joy was from seeing the suffering of others
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You should be more specific.

GARION stated that.

Binah kinda stopped after a while. She wouldn't be able to talk in a civilized manner with Hod and Gebura in Ruina if she still enjoyed suffering like she once did pre-Lobotomy.

SITB said:
* She slacked off until The Red Mist reception, and even when she knew what Roland was in the library for she let his and Angela's play conclude despite being able to derail it at any given moment.
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But she did do something about it. By the time she woke up, and Roland met her, she literally guided him into confronting his own guilt with the City/Angelica, and then proceed to give him his much-needed Shock-Therapy.
 
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