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Blood Ties (Dresden Files/Hellsing)

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Selonianth said:
*snorts* She's not stronger than him, not by a longshot. That's just laughable honestly. What even would make you think she was?
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I'm not sure what he was referring to, but there does seem to be a slight divergence in the selection of abilities, as Seras is shown flying on at least one, maybe two occasions in the OVA, which Alucard is not shown to be able to do IIRC. Otherwise...I haven't read the manga, but there really isn't all that much that information shown about what abilities Seras has, or how she can be compared with Alucard. I would say Alucard is much stronger than her in most, if not all, areas.

Edit: The flying might not be canon, or just my interpretation.
 
Alagore said:
I'm not sure what he was referring to, but there does seem to be a slight divergence in the selection of abilities, as Seras is shown flying on at least one, maybe two occasions in the OVA, which Alucard is not shown to be able to do IIRC. Otherwise...I haven't read the manga, but there really isn't all that much that information shown about what abilities Seras has, or how she can be compared with Alucard. I would say Alucard is much stronger than her in most, if not all, areas.
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Eh, I'm pretty sure it's stated somewhere that not all vampires have the same abilities, regardless of their sire... or that's just speculation on the wiki I'm remembering *shrugs*.

And even if Alucard *can* fly, he was never in a situation where he viably *could*, and when he could, had no reason to. He brought his coffin with him on the Blackbird, odds are, because of the old bit of folklore where a vampire needs to have their coffin with dirt from their homeland in it to cross water. So he could get out to the CV, but not get back to shore, since he couldn't leave it behind.
 
Selonianth said:
Eh, I'm pretty sure it's stated somewhere that not all vampires have the same abilities, regardless of their sire... or that's just speculation on the wiki I'm remembering *shrugs*.

And even if Alucard *can* fly, he was never in a situation where he viably *could*, and when he could, had no reason to. He brought his coffin with him on the Blackbird, odds are, because of the old bit of folklore where a vampire needs to have their coffin with dirt from their homeland in it to cross water. So he could get out to the CV, but not get back to shore, since he couldn't leave it behind.
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Given that Alucard leaped from a ruined Aircraft carrier into the middle of london, he us at the very least, capable of flight.

And if you had read my full post, you would have understood that I admitted it's entirely possible that becaude of how differ t Seras and Alucard ar e, they utilize their powers very differently. Alucard loves playing with his food, so we almost never see his full power. Seras is the opposite for the most part, so she probably goes full force.

That'd why we see Seras flinging warheads and artillery cannons everywhere while Alucard just likes to shoot/stab/eat everything. It's entirely possibLe he could use his shadows and strength like Seras could, but Alucard prefers to mix things up compared to her.
 
Selonianth said:
Eh, I'm pretty sure it's stated somewhere that not all vampires have the same abilities, regardless of their sire... or that's just speculation on the wiki I'm remembering *shrugs*.

And even if Alucard *can* fly, he was never in a situation where he viably *could*, and when he could, had no reason to. He brought his coffin with him on the Blackbird, odds are, because of the old bit of folklore where a vampire needs to have their coffin with dirt from their homeland in it to cross water. So he could get out to the CV, but not get back to shore, since he couldn't leave it behind.
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The other problem with judging Alucards abilities is that he almost never fights to the fullest extent of his ability. He plays with his opponents. For the majority of the fights we see him in, he is fighting with most of his restraints on, which makes him weaker by...some amount, presumably a large amount. In the Baldrick encounter with Anderson, he doesn't lift any of his restraints, or use all that many of his abilities. He doesn't summon familiars, change form or used any of his exhibited abilities except for his regeneration and inhuman aim.

Edit: well, I got ninja'd. What I get for writing in chunks over 30 minutes.
 
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Rowknan said:
Wait a second. Isn't Alucard implied to have made a deal with the Devil to have gained his powers in Hellsing? If so, that is going to have some interesting implications in this fic.

Also I now want Alucard to have a history of one-upmanship with the Denarians.
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It's never really stated who or what is behind Alucard. We know something supernatural occured, because the blood started flowing directly to both him and the Major in a really weird way.
 
Alagore said:
The other problem with judging Alucards abilities is that he almost never fights to the fullest extent of his ability. He plays with his opponents. For the majority of the fights we see him in, he is fighting with most of his restraints on, which makes him weaker by...some amount, presumably a large amount. In the Baldrick encounter with Anderson, he doesn't lift any of his restraints, or use all that many of his abilities. He doesn't summon familiars, change form or used any of his exhibited abilities except for his regeneration and inhuman aim.

Edit: well, I got ninja'd. What I get for writing in chunks over 30 minutes.
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In fairness, I don't think he *could* have unleashed Level 1 against Anderston without Integra's approval. He's *not* a vampire afterall, and not really an actual threat at the time. ... Of course, he also *wouldn't* have, unless the fight dragged on and he got bored of it.
 
Rapidfyrez said:
Given that Alucard leaped from a ruined Aircraft carrier into the middle of london, he us at the very least, capable of flight.
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I don't think that was actual flight. He seemed to just be falling with style. It was probably a combination of his enhanced strength for the initial leap and whatever let's him phase through walls without falling through the floor at the same time.
 
Rapidfyrez said:
Given that Alucard leaped from a ruined Aircraft carrier into the middle of london, he us at the very least, capable of flight.

And if you had read my full post, you would have understood that I admitted it's entirely possible that becaude of how differ t Seras and Alucard ar e, they utilize their powers very differently. Alucard loves playing with his food, so we almost never see his full power. Seras is the opposite for the most part, so she probably goes full force.

That'd why we see Seras flinging warheads and artillery cannons everywhere while Alucard just likes to shoot/stab/eat everything. It's entirely possibLe he could use his shadows and strength like Seras could, but Alucard prefers to mix things up compared to her.
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Regardless, we can draw the conclusion that Alucard is stronger than her based off two things, which I will elaborate on in a minute when I reach my laptop.

Event 1: Baldrick encounter, (OVA 1). Integra says (regarding Alucard's survivability), "Cut off his head? Pierced his heart? He is nothing like any vampire you've ever known. Your tricks won't kill him. You may be the fruit of the finest anti-vampire technology, but 100 years of the Hellsing family's accumulated knowledge produced this achievement. Our crown glory, the vampire Alucard!"

Based off of this, I think we can assume that the Hellsing family has improved his durability greatly, among other things potentially, such as strength or magical ability. I don't know whether or not that applies to his children, but I wouldn't imagine it would.

Event 2: Alucard vs Monster of God Anderson (OVA 8/9). Anderson has impaled Alucard, and Seras is attempting to stop him. Seras is barely able to hold back Anderson, but once Alucard reawakens, he is able to break free of Anderson, and then overpower him with ease.

Selonianth said:
In fairness, I don't think he *could* have unleashed Level 1 against Anderston without Integra's approval. He's *not* a vampire afterall, and not really an actual threat at the time. ... Of course, he also *wouldn't* have, unless the fight dragged on and he got bored of it.
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I couldn't find anything about what exact criteria the Control Art has for lifting restrictions. Or really much about it at all. I do think he can lift all except Level Zero without approval, because IIRC he did so against Luke Valentine and Tubalcain Alhambra, without Integra's direct approval.
 
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serra2 said:
It's never really stated who or what is behind Alucard. We know something supernatural occured, because the blood started flowing directly to both him and the Major in a really weird way.
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I think I might have read a bit to much into Alucard's monster of God speech.

Come to think of it, the most important question here is: how is Alexander Anderson going to be portrayed? Will he get one of them special angel swords? Or will he continue to be copious amounts of awesome Ax-Crazy with equally copious amounts of awesome humanizing moments? Or both?
 
Rowknan said:
Come to think of it, the most important question here is: how is Alexander Anderson going to be portrayed? Will he get one of them special angel swords? Or will he continue to be copious amounts of awesome Ax-Crazy with equally copious amounts of awesome humanizing moments? Or both?
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The angel sword would honestly detract from him. That was a big thing Alucard had against him towards the end, when he relied on the Thorn to fight Alucard. Alucard is big on the whole Humans/Dogs/Monsters philosophy he has, and given the fact that his backstory has three bog standard humans kicking his full-powered ass's shit in I can understand his frustration with Anderson.
 
serra2 said:
The angel sword would honestly detract from him. That was a big thing Alucard had against him towards the end, when he relied on the Thorn to fight Alucard. Alucard is big on the whole Humans/Dogs/Monsters philosophy he has, and given the fact that his backstory has three bog standard humans kicking his full-powered ass's shit in I can understand his frustration with Anderson.
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The Nail is VERY different from a Sword of the Cross. Entirely different
 
serra2 said:
The angel sword would honestly detract from him. That was a big thing Alucard had against him towards the end, when he relied on the Thorn to fight Alucard. Alucard is big on the whole Humans/Dogs/Monsters philosophy he has, and given the fact that his backstory has three bog standard humans kicking his full-powered ass's shit in I can understand his frustration with Anderson.
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I think that the problem Alucard had with the Nail of Helena is that it made him something other than human. Alucard never expresses distaste with humans using powerful tools to defeat him, so I doubt he would mind the use of one of the Swords that much, because ultimately it is a tool being wielded by a human. It's when it's no longer a tool, but a metamorphosis into something less than human that Alucard reacts with anger.
 
pendragon177 said:
I don't think that was actual flight. He seemed to just be falling with style. It was probably a combination of his enhanced strength for the initial leap and whatever let's him phase through walls without falling through the floor at the same time.
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He *does* slow down inexplicably before touchdown, actually. Which I had almost forgotten.
serra2 said:
The angel sword would honestly detract from him. That was a big thing Alucard had against him towards the end, when he relied on the Thorn to fight Alucard. Alucard is big on the whole Humans/Dogs/Monsters philosophy he has, and given the fact that his backstory has three bog standard humans kicking his full-powered ass's shit in I can understand his frustration with Anderson.
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He was pissed about Anderson doing that because it made anderson a Monster, that's all.

... Also I wouldn't say any of them actually kicked his ass (except possibly the first). He almost explicitly has to *let* someone beat him to actually be beaten. Something he might've given Walter if Walter hadn't pissed him off. Also why he snaps out of the dying he was in the middle of doing and kills Anderson when Seras yells out to him.
TheLastOne said:
Yes and no. Narratively and what it does, yes. What is is? The swords are supposed to be forged with the nails, that's why and where they draw their 'holiness.'
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What it *is* is irrelevant. He wouldn't have minded if, as abridged Alucard jokes, he'd tried to use the nail as a weapon against Alucard directly. He minded because it made Anderson a Holy Monster, just as he himself is an Unholy one.
 
Alagore said:
True. Hellsing isn't really great when it comes to explaining abilities. Seeing as it runs on Rule of Cool, that kinda makes sense.
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I wouldn't say it runs on Rule of Cool. It may be supplemented by it some times, but it's not a dependency. It's like a more drama driven Devil May Cry.
 
Rowknan said:
I wouldn't say it runs on Rule of Cool. It may be supplemented by it some times, but it's not a dependency. It's like a more drama driven Devil May Cry.
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Well...Hellsing is about Dracula fighting superpowered Inquisitors and an army of Nazi vampires. Who fly around in Zeppelins loaded with V1 rockets. It's safe to say that rule of cool plays a large factor in things.
 
Alagore said:
Well...Hellsing is about Dracula fighting superpowered Inquisitors and an army of Nazi vampires. Who fly around in Zeppelins loaded with V1 rockets. It's safe to say that rule of cool plays a large factor in things.
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True. But it isn't the driving force behind the series. It does contribute to the series schizophrenia though.
 
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Rowknan said:
True. But it isn't the driving force behind the series. It does contribute to the series schizophrenia though.
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I would say it is a fundamental law of Hellsing. There are more practical ways to get things done in a universe like that, but ultimately, if it's an over the top awesome way, that will typically be the way to go about it.
 
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