TheBleachDoctor
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Beneath Celestial Depths (An Arpeggio of Blue Steel Quest)
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[X] Stay on the ship and go to the American Empire.
AnonymousRabbit
Rabbit Faced
Replace steampunk with future tech and we're in for a ride
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Normally I the cautions type but we had been at the submarine pen for quite a while now and had for pretty much expect for the satellite uplink had strip it of all its resources. I also think continue being at that place is also dangerous due to the fact that there a fleet approaching the place. Even it just an escort fleet, there a chance there despite the fact our hacking of the satellite link is not detected, the base still had sent out a signal somehow since it power resource had been restarted.
The escort fleet may decided to check it out and we staying there could drag us into a battle that we had low chance of winning since Surcouf equipment is incomplete and even with super op core. We need to acquire more nanomaterials and the best place to do it currently is American Empire. Building more an option but that a time consuming option. An option that Surcouf can't take right now.
Right now there is a golden window of opportunity to do it and I say Surcouf should take it. A metal model infiltrate the American Empire from a cruise vessel is the last place they are expecting from since as far as the world knows, most metal model of the fog had not been active in a long time.
The escort fleet may decided to check it out and we staying there could drag us into a battle that we had low chance of winning since Surcouf equipment is incomplete and even with super op core. We need to acquire more nanomaterials and the best place to do it currently is American Empire. Building more an option but that a time consuming option. An option that Surcouf can't take right now.
Right now there is a golden window of opportunity to do it and I say Surcouf should take it. A metal model infiltrate the American Empire from a cruise vessel is the last place they are expecting from since as far as the world knows, most metal model of the fog had not been active in a long time.
meganeshounen
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Hmm, depending on how... "proliferate" Fog-derived ships and their Mental Models are in the current era (remember how Mary first reacted to Surcouf?), might American Empire society have means to detect high concentrations of nanomaterial just strolling around near their docks?
Or I might be just paranoid and there are actually plenty of Mental Models (albeit slaved and/or obedient to the AE) walking around and Surcouf will perfectly be able to blend in the crowds.
She's a French Femme Fatale spy extraordinaire, after all.
Or I might be just paranoid and there are actually plenty of Mental Models (albeit slaved and/or obedient to the AE) walking around and Surcouf will perfectly be able to blend in the crowds.
She's a French Femme Fatale spy extraordinaire, after all.
AnonymousRabbit
Rabbit Faced
We said it once, we'll say it again, The Fog all deactivated after you fucked with Habakukk. ALL of the Fog. No exceptions. No Fog made it through 200 years with their menta models. Everyone fell asleep and are just waking up.
Always Late
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... either that's a contradiction to earlier story elements, or a massive spoiler.
AnonymousRabbit
Rabbit Faced
I give up. I'm not helping you anymore. No more. You can rely on Doc for that. No more from me. I give up.
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Always Late
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TheBleachDoctor
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A contradiction to what?
Always Late
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Well, if all the Fog ships, be they Yamato's Fleet, Blue Steel, or Musashi's Scarlet, went to sleep and are just now waking up, it puts into question Blue Steel's trip to Antarctica and Scarlet Fleet's Hawaii redoubt.
Like get sunk immediately upon being detected? You make it sound like we're never going to leave the pen, which is very misrepresentative.
Muramasa
Best Girl
No that's what I'm more or less reading from the vote right now. And get sunk? Really? And where in the narrative has it been established that Surcouf is worried about being detected?
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Out of all the choices I just want to go to France, and not the AE like at all. But because that has no chance of winning my only hope is that we'll get forced out of the pens eventually and there will be another chance to vote on where to go.
Unitveras
"Return to nothingness!"
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Not to sound condescending (or even an outright dick): But are you guys absolutely sure that going to American Empire is a good idea? No seriously, are you sure? I mean with the GMs we have right here: AnonymousRabbit, maker of the quest Veritable, TheBleachDoctor, maker of the quest Ersatz, and last but certainly not least Higure, whose list of crowning achievements would be too long to list, they likely (I wish it wasn't) have a bad end in store for us if we just go straight to the American Empire.
Now that's (hopefully) just my paranoia speaking, and if we go to the Empire, we would be fine. But unfortunately, my Self-Preservation-based OCD will not let me get over that so easily.
Now that's (hopefully) just my paranoia speaking, and if we go to the Empire, we would be fine. But unfortunately, my Self-Preservation-based OCD will not let me get over that so easily.
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Muramasa
Best Girl
I would say something like that occuring without even giving us a chance to react would be pretty unfair. Give the GM's a bit more credit then that.
Always Late
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1. Then you have massively misread it. If anything, the GMs would make something to force us to leave. Give the GM's a bit more credit, right?
2. Yes, sunk. That's the point hammered in by Depth 8: We cannot defend ourselves, and only have a marginal capability to run and hide.
3. By the approaching American warships forcing her to move her hull away and make a 'now or never decision'.
TheBleachDoctor
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Oh, that. That's not a contradiction. Keep in mind that Blue Steel and Scarlet Fleet made extensive use of Human crews. Surcouf doesn't find it improbable that the crews somehow kept their ships operational despite the Mental Models and most automated functions shutting down.
Zedman7054
Eternally 3rd
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Can I just say, I don't want to turtle either. But there's a difference between going off half cocked into the middle of human controlled territory (humans who fought a war for their very survival against the Fog, and whom we decided not to help out too much in said war), and making sure we can handle ourselves. Really, I was planning on voting to strip the base for resources as best we could, use the uplink, and then decide to go somewhere after that. Anywhere really.
Muramasa
Best Girl
1. Yes, we'll likely be forced to leave, probably under increasingly sub-optimal conditions.
2. We can defend ourselves and what ability to hide we have can be reinforced with Habbakuks massive boost in hacking potential. Give Surcouf and Habbakuks core a bit more credit then that. I think you're heavily underselling them.
3. You don't know that. Seriously, let plot happen. We're not going to insta-die.
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But it was voted for the hardest difficulty, there has to be a point where saying "let the plot happen" and "give the Gm's credit" will be detrimental and have a negative effect on decision making.
Always Late
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Hm. Must have plenty of crew on the larger ships, but if you say so.
Lots of assumptions there.
The railguns, AA, and torpedo compliment is still less than what the current world's weapons' technology can bring to bear. So no.
We only unlock Habbakuk and its core late-game in the quest, remember?
You're misrepresenting my argument. And as for 'not knowing':
Please cut that out.
Muramasa
Best Girl
That same reasoning can be applied by choosing to go back to the submarine pen. My stance on the matter is to make the choice 'now' before it get's decided for you. Because the more we wait, the more we risk an encounter at the base that forces our hand. When that happens, what choices we once had aren't guaranteed in the slightest.
@Always Late
Apologies for the misrepresentation. I missed that. However, given the texts you brought up, Surcouf has already taken into account the detection factors and is acting accordingly. The risk is manageable.
We could. It would force us to adapt hit and run tactics which is not ideal, but yes we can defend ourselves. But this scenario isn't currently relevant.
I don't actually. Surcouf really can't tap into Habbakuks core right now? Would you mind pulling up the relevant texts?
TheBleachDoctor
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Plenty on crew on some of the ships, yes, like Musashi and I-401. However, not all of Blue Steel and Scarlet Fleet was crewed, just most.
Edit: And you know from records that the ones that were uncrewed sank.