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Beckoning Shadows: The Dark is calling [Exalted/Shadowrun Quest]
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I have to say, I don't like it. At all. Beyond some questionable design choices and overpowered Charm, a number of alternative Charms have less flavor.xenondestroyer said:
If you aren't a dilettante dipping in a bunch of directions, Heuristic Logos Shintai is no a problem. You need the full Keyword protection (which is essential if you don't get it from elsewhere), the perfect defense (once again a mandatory purchase anyway), PIO (one of the best Charm you can possibly get in her set), Will-Crushing Force is a single Charm purchase and while not absolutely necessary it is hugely useful to true believers of the Principle of Hierarchy (turn victims into pod-people who can only follow the Policy of their group or a chosen variant of your Urge).xenondestroyer said:
The only prerequisite that a true Pyrian Infernal might not have taken anyway would be Ascendant Objectivity Stance. It is a rather awesome Charm since it provides flight (only up to 75~110 yards of altitude, though) and cover, which is very useful to someone with ranged attacks (telekinesis for the win!). But an Infernal may want a different way to acquire mobility (like XP-free artifacts or summoned demons), or not be that interested in flight. It also require Crystal-Fire Barrier, which creates a barrier that covers up to a 100 yards in any direction and can be of any regular shape (like a wall or a dome) and can only be destroyed by an attack with 21 raw damage (the base damage of a rocket launcher is 10). CFB is a very powerful crowd control that can be used to create 360° force fields to defend against armies, or trap enemies inside spheres of force, or even perfectly defend against attacks. So once again CFB isn't a bad Charm at all, but not every Defiler wants awesome instant forcefield.
That's 2 good Charms a dedicated Pyrian Infernal might have wanted to skip. For a very powerful and cool and versatile Shintai. Now if you are not serious about the Principle of Hierarchy, you are going to cry. But you shouldn't be trying to emulate her form if you aren't serious about it, so I don't really think that's a problem.
meh, they are choices.
Wholeness Rightly Assumed is a bit overpriced, costing a whole 5 charms. Now I understand that it's powerful, but 5 charms? really? Do you really need 2 buys for poison and sickness, 2 for bashing and lethal and another one for crippling?
Then, the shaping defense doesn't work on death shaping. And you need another 2 buys of Ego Infused pattern primacy anyway. That's already 8 charms just for that.
Oh, and you have to reuse the lie detection for every single sentence you want to examine.
And the flaw of invulnerability sucks (at least as I understand it. That is, every combo you see for the first time, it triggers. Oh, and if it was unexpected, it surcharge anyway).
PIO is awesome, there is no doubt in that, it's only that it costs motes every use, and it's supplemental.
That said, they are choices, and really, the only thing that I see missing, is the experimental acceleration mastery equivalent. Which honestly you can port wholesale.
Wholeness Rightly Assumed is a bit overpriced, costing a whole 5 charms. Now I understand that it's powerful, but 5 charms? really? Do you really need 2 buys for poison and sickness, 2 for bashing and lethal and another one for crippling?
Then, the shaping defense doesn't work on death shaping. And you need another 2 buys of Ego Infused pattern primacy anyway. That's already 8 charms just for that.
Oh, and you have to reuse the lie detection for every single sentence you want to examine.
And the flaw of invulnerability sucks (at least as I understand it. That is, every combo you see for the first time, it triggers. Oh, and if it was unexpected, it surcharge anyway).
PIO is awesome, there is no doubt in that, it's only that it costs motes every use, and it's supplemental.
That said, they are choices, and really, the only thing that I see missing, is the experimental acceleration mastery equivalent. Which honestly you can port wholesale.
I don't think so. Infernals are Outside of Fate and can't have a Destiny in the first place. I'm pretty sure you meant either Fate or destiny (lower case 'd') here.HioH said:
This.HioH said:
We need to know what is happening before we start making our move, we need someone with good info, not just the word on the street. Once we have some idea of what made this job special, I think we'll be settled for an electronic infiltration.
First, her Excellency isn't entirely unable to oppose megacorp. Opposing one is not automatically spreading chaos, especially if we're supporting another source of order.HioH said:
But secondly and much more importantly, A Defiler Shadowrunner with the Ebon Dragon favored who takes the Pyrian Excellency rather than the Ophidian one needs to go kill herself so that her Exaltation can go to someone less extraordinarily incompetent. Seriously, the Excellency is 90% of why we massively voted for TED favored. Not getting the Ophidian Excellency would completely defeat that.
Or we could, you know, do what we had planned and take the Ebon Dragon Excellency instead of shooting ourselves in the foot.HioH said:
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HioH
Gentleman, Scholar, Dinosaur
You didn't vote Ebon Dragon as favored, not really. You voted SWLiHN + SWLiHN, and I threw on the Ebon Dragon vote because I needed a second Favored Yozi for my notes and Plans.Sojiko said:
This is more of a misinformation/misinterpertation on Mr.cloudy's part, Remember the whole Tomescu future sight thing? It's related to that.Sojiko said:
Wait wait wait wait.HioH said:
You mean you are going to cripple us with a SWLiHN Excellency?
Well, you did vote for doubling up on SWLiHN.Sojiko said:
HioH
Gentleman, Scholar, Dinosaur
You can still get the Ebon Dragon Excellency, but you are stuck with at least one purchase of SWLiHN.Sojiko said:
Your first 10 (Well 7) charms will be free and slowly filter in over the next few updates, so just remember to get the ED Excellency.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I have to agree with this. We now have an Excellency which you have said to be useless for much of anything. I voted ED particularly for THAT Excellency.Sojiko said:
And get saddled with a 16->40 XP debt because of a useless Charm we never wanted? Really?HioH said:
While I'm not terribly happy about the SWLiHN excellency either, it's pretty clear just from skills and so forth that HioH isn't running anywhere near an 'optimized' or even efficient Infernal. Which is kind of sad, but far from crippling so long as threats scale appropriately.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I am not really confident with this seeing we are already being screwed in character creation itself.drake_azathoth said:
Well you've kind of brought it on yourselves. It was pointed out that the ED charms were perfect for a shadowrunner, with the Excellency being widely applicable, and most charms main weakness being either Holy effects or alerting the Sidereals to your presence, neither of which apply to us. And yet people still voted for a double SWLiHN build.
You could read the book. Some of us were looking through the book to find the best choices for the builds we wanted, and the best charms for our character.Harish said:
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Story wise? I would give applause. But during character creation? This I can't accept.Dark Lord Bob said:
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[X] Fiend
[X] Fiend
HioH
Gentleman, Scholar, Dinosaur
Harish said:
Just the Profession. You're still a Defiler.Dark Lord Bob said:
Choices:
Magician: (Malfeas)
Adept: (Isodros)
Technomancer:(Adjoran)
Face: (Ebon Dragon)
Rigger:. (Kimbery)
Street Samurai: (Cecelyne)