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Beautiful Anarchy: A Riot Civ Quest

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EternalStruggle said:
Ah, Cultural Foci. They're an interesting one. Basically, the amount of PBs with the focus was less than the amount of PBs performing the action, even taking into consideration a x2 multiplier for the R&D 2 PBs. Hence no bonus.

That said, it does seem a bit harsh, doesn't it? The rules for CFs aren't explicit, but perhaps if the numbers of Focus Points is more than half, there's a +1 COM, and if there's double then we get the +2?
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.... I assumed it was a boost to 'x rolls' of 1 or 2 points. I already felt it was possibly useless under than assumption, and now you say it's a plus 1 conditional on enough, so my work is wasted outright if I am not ahead of the usage? That really does seem like a bonus we would never have the time to get in practice, far too inefficient.

EDIT: :ninja:d by the QM. Huh.
 
EternalStruggle said:
Ah, Cultural Foci. They're an interesting one. Basically, the amount of PBs with the focus was less than the amount of PBs performing the action, even taking into consideration a x2 multiplier for the R&D 2 PBs. Hence no bonus.
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Oh, so that's how they work. I assumed that they'd work in the same way the Happy citizens give their bonus. Ie, the first X get it.

Or, it's not how they work.

Chaos, Chaos everywhere.
 
Actually for Goll or Gaili do we have those surveyed? They are both 10 ly from us and have three rock planets so we could pick one and colonize it
 
EternalStruggle said:
That said, it does seem a bit harsh, doesn't it? The rules for CFs aren't explicit, but perhaps if the numbers of Focus Points is more than half, there's a +1 COM, and if there's double then we get the +2?
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This means that if a small amount of people do this, they get a bonus, but if we get 15 PB on the action, then we get nothing.

Wasn't it supposed to help low-COM people? Right now I have a high-PUB low-COM build, and I am definitely feeling it compared to those who started with low-PUB high-COM as they steadily succeed in their tasks when I fail half the rolls.

It would make more sense to apply the bonuses to individual rolls, though it also might be more work, so... But you said 'yes' to my first question, so now I am completely confused.

Let's see a hypothetical. PUB 6, COM 5, 1 PB with R&D focus x2, 1 PB with R&D focus x1

Raw numbers: 1,2,3,4,5,6. Modified numbers: 6+2,7+1,8,9,10,11. Is that how that works now, or not?
 
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In either case, by my reckoning my action here

EternalStruggle said:
[X] Bani Jara
-[X] Build Special Improvements
-[X] Antimatter Refinery (allows antimatter fueling of ships)
-10ebbor10
Roll: Publicity 3 Competence 7. Species Bonus Infrastructure and Good PB Bonus add +2 COM for 9 total. Numbers: 11, 8, 1. Modified Numbers: 20, 17, 10.
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Was done at a time when Bani Jara both had 3 Pub with an Infrastructure bonus and no other infrastructure projects.

That would results in me not having lost a point of pub there.
 
Nevill said:
This means that if a small amount of people do this, they get a bonus, but if we get 15 PB on the action, then we get nothing.

Wasn't it supposed to help low-COM people? Right now I have a high-PUB low-COM build, and I am definitely feeling it compared to those who started with low-PUB high-COM as they steadily succeed in their task when I fail half the rolls.

It would make more sense to apply the bonuses to individual rolls, though it also might be more work, so... But you said 'yes' to my first question, so now I am completely confused.

Let's see a hypothetical. PUB 6, COM 5, 1 PB with R&D focus x2, 1 PB with R&D focus x1

Raw numbers: 1,2,3,4,5,6. Modified numbers: 6+2,7+1,8,9,10. Is that how that works now, or not?
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That's how it was ALWAYS supposed to work, I just failed to clearly communicate that to the guy who was doing the rolls. Sorry for the technical difficulties.
 
[X] Advance a Field
-[X] Quantum 2
-[X] Bani Jara
 
I just write said:
:facepalm: Clarifying...
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Partially highlighted rolls and individual-

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You know now that I think about it that makes a lot more sense than anything else, so, er...
10ebbor10 said:
Was done at a time when Bani Jara both had 3 Pub with an Infrastructure bonus and no other infrastructure projects.

That would results in me not having lost a point of pub there.
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That's just a legit remembrance failure mistake.
 
10ebbor10 said:
Was done at a time when Bani Jara both had 3 Pub with an Infrastructure bonus and no other infrastructure projects.
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Numbers: 11, 8, 1. Base COM: 7. Secondary type: infrastructure: +1 COM. 3 PB with Focus: Infx1.
Modified Numbers: 20, 17, 10.

It's the same result, no?

Edit: Oh, wait, there's also Good bonus. Hm.
Edit2: Nvm, GM says there was no focus. Maybe?
 
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What happens with the mistakes though. Do they dissappear, are they rectified, do I get Apology cookie?

On a more serious note, I did already go through and calculate the alternative results for turn 10, and was halfway through turn 9.
 
10ebbor10 said:
What happens with the mistakes though. Do they dissappear, are they rectified, do I get Apology cookie?

On a more serious note, I did already go through and calculate the alternative results for turn 10, and was halfway through turn 9.
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On the turn 10 corrections can you take out the X's in the brackets, it messes with the tally program.
 
10ebbor10 said:
What happens with the mistakes though. Do they dissappear, are they rectified, do I get Apology cookie?

On a more serious note, I did already go through and calculate the alternative results for turn 10, and was halfway through turn 9.
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Considering that this quest has banned time travel, they'll stay as they are.
EDIT: @Strunkriidiisk please clarify what planet you want to build on.
 
Since we are talking rules. The rules say that Good PB grant their bonuses to any action that makes use of them. How does that work? Right now they are counted as a flat COM bonus, but, again, hypotheticals.

5 PBs, all Good = +1 COM
5 PBs, 4 Good, 1 Acceptable = ?
5 PBs, 3 Good, 2 Acceptable = ?
5 PBs, 1 Good, 4 Acceptable = ?

Riots. Is there a point in talking them down unless they get really big? I mean, a couple of PB rioting is peanuts comparing to a diplomat not using his PBs on anything else and instead talking to these folks, and we usually have more PUB than there are rioters. Are there other downsides in having riots other than lessening the number of PB we have to work with?

Also, are chances of rioting recalculated each turn? So if a Destitute PB unit has a 75% chance of rioting, does it mean it also has a 25% chance of calming down?
 
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I just write said:
Considering that this quest has banned time travel, they'll stay as they are.
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:(

Bit annoyed, considering those failures resulted in a pretty big hit to my character, which already has low Pub, and that caused the failure of the action after that, and so on...

Nevill said:
5 PBs, all Good = +1 COM
5 PBs, 4 Good, 1 Acceptable = ?
5 PBs, 3 Good, 2 Acceptable = ?
5 PBs, 1 Good, 4 Acceptable = ?
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The bonus gets applied to the first X characters.
 
10ebbor10 said:
:(

Bit annoyed, considering those failures resulted in a pretty big hit to my character, which already has low Pub, and that caused the failure of the action after that, and so on...
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In a surprising turn of events Publicity was regained due to [INSERT SHENANIGANS HERE] several years after they were first accused of wrongdoing in the Antimatter Production Facility Incident.

I.E I'm restoring your PUB now but to avoid headaches everything else stays the same.
 
Nevill said:
Since we are talking rules. The rules say that Good PB grant their bonuses to any action that makes use of them. How does that work? Right now they are counted as a flat COM bonus, but, again, hypotheticals.

5 PBs, all Good = +1 COM
5 PBs, 4 Good, 1 Acceptable = ?
5 PBs, 3 Good, 2 Acceptable = ?
5 PBs, 1 Good, 4 Acceptable = ?

Riots. Is there a point in talking them down unless they get really big? I mean, a couple of PB rioting is peanuts comparing to a diplomat not using his PBs on anything else and instead talking to these folks, and we usually have more PUB than there are rioters. Are there other downsides in having riots other than lessening the number of PB we have to work with?

Also, are chances of rioting recalculated each turn? So if a Destitute PB unit has a 75% chance of rioting, does it mean it also has a 25% chance of calming down?
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1: It's supposed to act like Cultural Focus
2: Yes, yes it does. Because the automated planet tracker doesn't track rioters between turns.
 
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