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Are there any factions or governments in fiction as genuinely good as GDI?

I'd say their a few but a big part of depends on weather or not you want to disqualify factions that are personally being lead by a protagonist... even as antagonists the most vile thing they tend to do is try to keep Nod fighting itself and tolerate Boyle... until they manage to find a legal way to get rid of them.

Evilchumlee said:
The GDI is a military force, not a government. We don't really get to see what life is like in under GDI rule but... I have to imagine that's essentially martial law. I can't think of many times in history when the military took over and things were great for the average joe.
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We do know that they explicitly relenquished control to an elected civilian government at some point (Boyle in large part seems worried about his electibility) and we do in fact see GDI from plenty of non-GDI perspectives... usually Nod who have a lot of reason to push the most anti-GDI narrative they can and even than GDI comes out looking rosier than say... the UNSC from Halo with their child soldiers for instance.
 
Think the GDI comes off relatively well considering they are locked various conflicts that dwarf the World Wars, climate change several times worse than the worst of the worst of the worst predictions a hundred years from now if we do absolutely nothing about the climate and this happened over twenty years or so and oh yeah a giant alien invasion with super weapons and an intentional policy of targeting civilians to cause as much chaos and terror as possible whilst a semi immortal alien with a cult of fanatics and advanced technology and at least some unique insight into future events and in depth knowledge of his enemy's command structure periodically shaping the world from the shadows to be ever more chaotic and violent and poisoned.


I don't think they're remotely the most ethical or successful fictional government out there, I don't think they are meant to be, but they do seem to be one of the better post-apocalyptic wartime governments out there.
 
critical support to our anti-imperialists brothers and sisters of NOD in their battle against GDI hegemony and the exploitation of the marginalized people of the yellow zones
 
open_sketch said:
critical support to our anti-imperialists brothers and sisters of NOD in their battle against GDI hegemony and the exploitation of the marginalized people of the yellow zones
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This does bring up something of a point...

If GDI is so good... why does NOD have so much support? Yeah sure there's some religious fanatics in the cult but... they are a global force able to stand up in a direct fight with GDI. They clearly have support and manpower.

I feel like some of it may well be that GDI is absolutely peachy keen... in the blue zones. The yellow zones? GDI ranges from "not caring" to "active exploitation". NOD swoops in with a promise to make things better and from the random Joe on the ground... NOD seems to make a better case.

I don't think it's ever established... this is more of a gut feeling... but based on the amount of people that still live in Yellow Zones, it makes me wonder about immigration into Blue Zones. The people in the Yellow Zones seem to be basically stuck there. GDI kind of feels like a "Blue Zone Only" club with the people in the Yellow Zones barely even being considered GDI citizens, if they even are at all.
 
From a Yellow Zone information pamphlet

Nod: Representative of the righteous and a foil to a corrupt oppressor

The Brotherhood of Nod champions the common people - the 80% of the world's population that struggles to get by in Yellow Zones torn by war, wracked by poverty, and abandoned by GDI. Using Tiberium to fuel and fund our efforts, Nod works tirelessly to bring order from the chaos. We make the streets safe, distribute food to the hungry, provide emergency medical care, minister to those who feel a spiritual vacuum, and inspire hope in people who would otherwise have none.

GDI casts itself as the world's guardian and savior, but they are neither. GDI is corrupt and unjust: 20% of the world's population - the most wealthy people on the planet - live in the Blue Zones, consuming the majority of the world's natural resources, wielding their vast military power to maintain the status quo by depriving the downtrodden of their god-given right to mine and exploit Tiberium.

The powerful oppress the weak in the hollow name of freedom - and the only counter to GDI's power is the Brotherhood. Nod meets strength with strength in the name of peace and progress. Nod is the only hope against GDI tyranny.

Brotherhood... Unity... Peace.
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Of course, this is in universe propaganda, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
 
Evilchumlee said:
This does bring up something of a point...

If GDI is so good... why does NOD have so much support? Yeah sure there's some religious fanatics in the cult but... they are a global force able to stand up in a direct fight with GDI. They clearly have support and manpower.

I feel like some of it may well be that GDI is absolutely peachy keen... in the blue zones. The yellow zones? GDI ranges from "not caring" to "active exploitation". NOD swoops in with a promise to make things better and from the random Joe on the ground... NOD seems to make a better case.

I don't think it's ever established... this is more of a gut feeling... but based on the amount of people that still live in Yellow Zones, it makes me wonder about immigration into Blue Zones. The people in the Yellow Zones seem to be basically stuck there. GDI kind of feels like a "Blue Zone Only" club with the people in the Yellow Zones barely even being considered GDI citizens, if they even are at all.
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The GDI seems to lean more towards "not caring" over "active exploitation". The GDI doesn't really have much of a presence outside the Blue Zones to begin with aside from counterterrorism platforms against Nod, and the Tiberium Mutants calling themselves the Forgotten seems to generally suggest a policy of neglect rather than one of oppression. Triage in an apocalyptic situation is all well and good as a platonic ideal until you find yourself on the wrong side of the wall.
 
I'm reluctant to even go on the not caring aspect given we know that GDI also goes out of it's way to reclaim yellow zones into blue, built housing specifically to help mutants with no solid benefit to itself, and built the EMP structues to give settlements in yellow zones a better chance of protecting themselves.

Evilchumlee said:
If GDI is so good... why does NOD have so much support? Yeah sure there's some religious fanatics in the cult but... they are a global force able to stand up in a direct fight with GDI. They clearly have support and manpower.
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A common tactic of Nod is to steal GDI equipment and massacre entire settlements and the Brotherhood of Nod is known to have an extensive propaganda network.

You can point to the quality of life in yellow zones sure but RL has given us plenty of examples of why getting involved in areas like that can actually make things worse and most notably despite Nod having access to arguably more high tech than GDI they don't seem to have done anything to actually help the people under their rule.

just enough to keep them alive and angry maybe it would explain why they have access to so many fanatics.
 
10ebbor10 said:
Of course, this is in universe propaganda, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
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The best propaganda tends to be things that are based on a grain of truth.

GDI did re-draw the map borders giving themselves control of the blue zones while Nod is left in the yellow zones. Granted it's not the whole story, but it's very much not a good look for GDI.
 
Kei said:
The GDI seems to lean more towards "not caring" over "active exploitation". The GDI doesn't really have much of a presence outside the Blue Zones to begin with aside from counterterrorism platforms against Nod, and the Tiberium Mutants calling themselves the Forgotten seems to generally suggest a policy of neglect rather than one of oppression. Triage in an apocalyptic situation is all well and good as a platonic ideal until you find yourself on the wrong side of the wall.
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You can see some signs of exploitation, in that a bunch of the yellow zone maps have Tiberium spikes, which can be captured for extra credits.

If you do so, you get a Intel briefing informing you that these spikes are privately owned by GDI citizens, and that while the military is allowed to seize them, their rightful owners will be compensated in Reykjavik.
So, GDI does appear have a network of resource colonies outside the yellow zones.
 
Parth said:
GDI did re-draw the map borders giving themselves control of the blue zones while Nod is left in the yellow zones. Granted it's not the whole story, but it's very much not a good look for GDI.
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A reminder that the earth in tin sun was almost entirely red zone to the point it would have been inhostpiable to human life in month.

GDI controlling the blue zones is in all likelihood almost entirely because they fight the alien toxin jnstead of actively spreading it around like Nod.

10ebbor10 said:
If you do so, you get a Intel briefing informing you that these spikes are privately owned by GDI citizens, and that while the military is allowed to seize them, their rightful owners will be compensated in Reykjavik.
So, GDI does appear have a network of resource colonies outside the yellow zones.
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Actually it's never established that the owners of tin spikes live in blue zones only that GDI compensates private owners that go to one, not the best circumstances of course but still far more than Nod does.
 
undead frog said:
Actually it's never established that the owners of tin spikes live in blue zones only that GDI compensates private owners that go to one, not the best circumstances of course but still far more than Nod does.
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I mean, if they do live in the yellow zones, it wouldn't be much better.

Sure, you can be compensated, if you take your GDI vouchers all the way to Reykjavik to exchange them for credits, something that would be impossible for any yellow zone citizen.
 
10ebbor10 said:
I mean, if they do live in the yellow zones, it wouldn't be much better.

Sure, you can be compensated, if you take your GDI vouchers all the way to Reykjavik to exchange them for credits, something that would be impossible for any yellow zone citizen.
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Now that is a more fair conpairson, mind you GDI mainly my seems to go into yellow zones when they are trying to reclaim it into a blue zone so outside of major world wars it doesn't seem like GDI runs into people in that situation often.
 
10ebbor10 said:
If you do so, you get a Intel briefing informing you that these spikes are privately owned by GDI citizens, and that while the military is allowed to seize them, their rightful owners will be compensated in Reykjavik.
So, GDI does appear have a network of resource colonies outside the yellow zones.
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So while this is true. I feel it isn't the full story

It says nothing about who the rightful owners are. It's very likely they are yellow zone inhabitants. And those vouchers probably do not have to be redeemed by them. They could sell it to someone else who then redeems it.

Now, in fairness, they are "encouraged" to distribute those vouchers, so take that as you will.
 
undead frog said:
A reminder that the earth in tin sun was almost entirely red zone to the point it would have been inhostpiable to human life in month.

GDI controlling the blue zones is in all likelihood almost entirely because they fight the alien toxin jnstead of actively spreading it around like Nod.
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Most people living in a yellow zone aren't likely to know that.
 
undead frog said:
A reminder that the earth in tin sun was almost entirely red zone to the point it would have been inhostpiable to human life in month.

GDI controlling the blue zones is in all likelihood almost entirely because they fight the alien toxin jnstead of actively spreading it around like Nod
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Most of that is I think retcon.

Because we know that GDI in Tib wars 3, GDI has only just managed to reclaim it's first blue zone, New Eden, when the Scrin blow it up.

So all the other blue zones must have already been there, I think?
 
10ebbor10 said:
Most of that is I think retcon.

Because we know that GDI in Tib wars 3, GDI has only just managed to reclaim it's first blue zone, New Eden, when the Scrin blow it up.

So all the other blue zones must have already been there, I think?
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It's more the blue zones are the area's where tiberium was not spread.

Either that, or it wasnt allowed to grow uncontrollably, for example a field was seeded, and the refinery was pre built to head off any attempts by tiberium to break out
 
10ebbor10 said:
Most of that is I think retcon.

Because we know that GDI in Tib wars 3, GDI has only just managed to reclaim it's first blue zone, New Eden, when the Scrin blow it up.

So all the other blue zones must have already been there, I think?
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I think it's more thats the first time GDI managed a full reclamation since the Zone designation was set up, again Tib Sun Earth was horrifically bad to the point I can't remember many if any areas in the game that didn't have horrible amounts of tib or tib life running around.
 
10ebbor10 said:
You can see some signs of exploitation, in that a bunch of the yellow zone maps have Tiberium spikes, which can be captured for extra credits.

If you do so, you get a Intel briefing informing you that these spikes are privately owned by GDI citizens, and that while the military is allowed to seize them, their rightful owners will be compensated in Reykjavik.
So, GDI does appear have a network of resource colonies outside the yellow zones.
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While this may be so, I somehow really doubt that the tiberium spikes are meaningfully depriving locals of a resource they actually want or need. =P
 
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