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Any Means Necessary (Selfish OC SI, Multiverse) [In Tower of God]

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Hmm... Well, while saving Fouquet would probably secure her future loyalty, I'm not so sure on her usefulness in this world if her disguise is already discovered. No way the Reconquista would just let her return to her post in the school unhindered like this, and we don't have a place for her to live in if she is to hide.

Oh and too bad about Tiffania I guess. I want to copy her Familiar's runes at least if possible.
 
[X] Talk to the alviss in hopes of securing an alliance, or barring that, some kind of deal or just information.


Matilda is dead meat. Let's not burn our bridges here.
 
[X] Talk to the alviss in hopes of securing an alliance, or barring that, some kind of deal or just information.

Information is key here. That and Matilda, while a valuable thief, is not worth us antagonizing a powerful organization. Cause at the end of the day, we just want to loot this world.
 
[X] Save Matilda so we can use her later.

Thanks for the new chapter. I would like to see the MC do a little good between all the self serving things he does.
 
Rini said:
[X] Save Matilda so we can use her later.

Thanks for the new chapter. I would like to see the MC do a little good between all the self serving things he does.
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Bruh, we aren't really a charity case. If we really wanted to do "good" we would've left this world to its own devices. This world had a happy ending, now it has us.
 
[X] Escape now and prepare to attack Cromwell for the Ring of Andvari.

She is a lost cause at this point. Honestly, I can't think of a good use for her, what with how shameful this display was.

Making a deal would be a bad idea because doing that would show just how little we cared about our accomplice that just died. It's a horrible start to gaining someone's trust when you do it right after they brutally dispose of someone you were helping. We'd seem to be too fickle to trust, and just end up being used.

We assure our safety by declaring this a lost cause. Then we can just go and take care of more clear cut issues. With the ring on our side we will be in a far greater position for schemes. Cutting our losses and accepting the loss of a tool is fine, we can make bigger and better gains elsewhere now, with less risk of diplomacy failure.
 
Damm, hard choice. Especially if you care anything about honor. Is it possible to at least hack the puppet for information?

Honestly, go for the hard take-down, even permanently crippling this assassin. And kill any of the apparent kids who turn out to be part of the coming ambush. Do your best to heal Froquet, even keep her alive long enough to get Amy to heal her if needed. Then go full x-com interrogation and dissection on the automations. Slimcrum, alvis, or blood puppets, rip apart their controls and whatever passes for minds, then do the same to the physical forms. And make it clear that this pretender will suffer the same fate unless they convince you otherwise.

Then follow up, erase the memories of whoever saw this happening, and burn the entire orphanage to ash so you can make a clean getaway. I forgot if memory erasure was part the MC's powers in this story. And transport any non-involved survivors to another town or orphanage.

Advice to author - Please write more between votes. One of the best quests I've read was the best because the writer just consulted the readers about overall strategy and major decisions. And had a good 1000+ words between each vote, as well as have multiple things to vote on. Especially since you don't put out new chapters every few days, where this simple vote on most every decision would actually work.

Edit: Oh, you are writing that much. Excuse me, for some reason these chapters seem shorter. It seems we just flew to Alidion, then were ambushed by this person and her puppets. Just not much seeming to happen before the next vote.
 
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[X] Escape now and prepare to attack Cromwell for the Ring of Andvari.

Fuck it, changed my vote. We can take our time interrogating Cromwell for information. That is a guaranteed gain with the Ring, instead of nebulous rewards for the negotiations.
 
Inclinedtoserve said:
Making a deal would be a bad idea because doing that would show just how little we cared about our accomplice that just died. It's a horrible start to gaining someone's trust when you do it right after they brutally dispose of someone you were helping. We'd seem to be too fickle to trust, and just end up being used.
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A very good point.

As for my choice:
[] Talk to the alviss in hopes of securing an alliance, or barring that, some kind of deal or just information.

While keeping your enemy closer is a proverb, I can't trust any information or promise that Myozunitonirun can tell us, thus disqualifying this option by default.

[] Escape now and prepare to attack Cromwell for the Ring of Andvari.

This would be going towards the next goal ASAP before that gets nabbed too, and not that bad of an idea. But I get the feeling that so long as Cromwell is still useful his ring won't be going anywhere any time soon. That and most importantly the ring has limited uses compared to a mage, and I don't know if it can even be recharged.

[X] Save Matilda so we can use her later.

While her survival is not guaranteed even if this option was taken, her loyalty should be if we save her. Assuming she lives, she probably can't keep any kind of public position reliably after this, but at least we could get a minion who's good at earth manipulation for stuff like hidden base building and tunneling in other worlds.

In fact... she's pretty much the answer to her own problem if she can just dig deep and make a home underground to hide in. Yes Fouquet, Embrace the Dwarf Fortress lifestyle and Strike The Earth! ahahahaha!!! I mean hey if she goes deep enough maybe she'll discover the windstone problems too.

Oh and yes it could further solidify the MC's reputation as a hero if he succeeds in saving her, but that's more of an afterthought than anything else at this point. Real loot would've been better... owell.
 
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We cant be sure if Tiffania is dead, she might just be captured and alviss may be lying.
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This is true. It is not certain that Tiffania is dead, it's just the word of the fake Tiffania.

Inclinedtoserve said:
Making a deal would be a bad idea because doing that would show just how little we cared about our accomplice that just died. It's a horrible start to gaining someone's trust when you do it right after they brutally dispose of someone you were helping. We'd seem to be too fickle to trust, and just end up being used.
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That's a very insightful point that is very much in line with the title of the chapter, and what Kaleidus himself noted about the dangers of working with traitors when he thought about how he would judge Tiffania if she wasn't an imposter but actually the real one betraying Matilda to save herself.

Dur'id the Druid said:
Is it possible to at least hack the puppet for information?
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Considering that MC doesn't know much about how the magic works, this would probably be very difficult. Assuming the alviss had any meaningful information in the first place.

even keep her alive long enough to get Amy to heal her if needed.
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There is a cost to returning to Worm, or planeshifting in general using Agate's method. I'm not sure if I already wrote the details into the story, but it takes about 1 week to build up the energy required for a one-way trip (so a round-trip would consume 2 weeks' worth). MC's current stockpile is 5 trips. And it would only work if Amy happened to invent some kind of healing organism/product. Otherwise, they'd be waiting a very long time until MC can planeshift other people safely. And there's no known cryo option in Halkegenia.

Then follow up, erase the memories of whoever saw this happening, and burn the entire orphanage to ash so you can make a clean getaway. I forgot if memory erasure was part the MC's powers in this story. And transport any non-involved survivors to another town or orphanage.
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Hmm...unless the MC erased his own memory of it, I don't think he has memory erasure powers.

Advice to author - Please write more between votes. One of the best quests I've read was the best because the writer just consulted the readers about overall strategy and major decisions. And had a good 1000+ words between each vote, as well as have multiple things to vote on. Especially since you don't put out new chapters every few days, where this simple vote on most every decision would actually work.

Edit: Oh, you are writing that much. Excuse me, for some reason these chapters seem shorter. It seems we just flew to Alidion, then were ambushed by this person and her puppets. Just not much seeming to happen before the next vote.
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I wouldn't mind being more active in the thread if you think it'll make the quest more fun. I'm not sure what other types of things could be voted on though.


marids said:
While her survival is not guaranteed even if this option was taken, her loyalty should be if we save her. Assuming she lives, she probably can't keep any kind of public position reliably after this, but at least we could get a minion who's good at earth manipulation for stuff like hidden base building and tunneling in other worlds.

In fact... she's pretty much the answer to her own problem if she can just dig deep and make a home underground to hide in. Yes Fouquet, Embrace the Dwarf Fortress lifestyle and Strike The Earth! ahahahaha!!! I mean hey if she goes deep enough maybe she'll discover the windstone problems too.
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Haha...yes she could build an underground base for herself, though her concern was more about finances and giving Tiffa a chance to have a decent life.

As for earth tunneling in other worlds, remember that MC can't travel with any other beings with a soul yet using their method, unless he wants to risk the attention of a Beast of the World, based on Zelretch's theories. These would supposedly be beings on par with or stronger than whatever protects the Root from access by magi in Nasuverse.
 
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Eiri Fllyn said:
I'm not sure what other types of things could be voted on though.
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Using the last vote as an example, could also vote on how to handle the aftermath of each vote. Vote not just to run, but where to run to. How to handle the orphanage and town. Or vote not just to use diplomacy, but weather to start with; 'I know you know that I know'; 'what an interesting situation we find ourselves in' ; or throw her down and put a sword at her neck before 'negotiating'; or just stall her until agate can evacuate and stabilize Forquet then run or negotiate.

Basically try to plan one or two steps ahead. Get more material to write for, and come across as actually writing most of the story yourself, instead of using us readers and dice rolls to prop most of it up. ;)
 
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Dur'id the Druid said:
Using the last vote as an example, could also vote on how to handle the aftermath of each vote. Vote not just to run, but where to run to. How to handle the orphanage and town. Or vote not just to use diplomacy, but weather to start with; 'I know you know that I know'; 'what an interesting situation we find ourselves in' ; or throw her down and put a sword at her neck before 'negotiating'; or just stall her until agate can evacuate and stabilize Forquet then run or negotiate.

Basically try to plan one or two steps ahead. Get more material to write for, and come across as actually writing most of the story yourself, instead of using us readers and dice rolls to prop most of it up. ;)
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Hm...I've left that sort of thing to write-ins, but you might be right that I could provide more guidance on possible actions.

How about this (I'll treat this as the new voting options if people think it's a good format):

Choose 1 main and any combination of secondary actions under the main choice, or a specific integrated strategy. Potentially conflicting actions will be resolved arbitrarily by Kaleidus (that is, I will decide whatever sense can be made out of it).

[] Save Matilda so we can use her later.
-[] Eliminate the alviss in your way with Derflinger
-[] Fly up for aerial superiority, then shoot the alviss with your laser gun
-[] Call Offensive Bias for ranged drone and missile support. Do not move the AAPV closer.
-[] Call Offensive Bias to bring the AAPV closer for more accurate firing solutions.
-[] Kill the children surrounding you, they're probably all alviss and will stab you in the back when your guard is down
-[] Throw a flashbang and smoke bomb to grab Matilda under cover.
-[] Secure the area then have the AAPV bring over the medical supplies for treatment.
-[] Bring Matilda to the AAPV and treat her there.

[] Escape now and prepare to attack Cromwell for the Ring of Andvari.
-[] Fly away immediately
-[] Throw a flashbang and smoke bomb to cover your retreat
-[] Try to shoot down and grenade the alviss while escaping
-[] Silence Matilda first
-[] Go directly to Cromwell's last known location at Newcastle (and order the AAPV there too) where they were laying siege to the king's final forces
-[] Send the AAPV to the capital Londinium to create a diversion while you head for Cromwell at Newcastle
-[] Launch a long range ballistic missile from the AAPV and blow Cromwell and the prized superdreadnought capital airship of Reconquista out of the sky
-[] Launch a nuclear long range ballistic missile to obliterate Newcastle along with the Tudor king (if he's not already dead) as a show of force before demanding Reconquista and Cromwell's surrender

[] Talk to the alviss in hopes of securing an alliance, or barring that, some kind of deal or just information.
-[] "It's nice to finally meet the legendary Mind of God, master of all magical artifacts. Let me introduce myself. I am Axion, an avid collector of magical artifacts. It's unfortunate you've had a disagreement with my current supplier, but I wouldn't mind overlooking it if we can come to a profitable deal. I have many wares of my own to trade, ones I believe even you may find intriguing." Present yourself as only being concerned with business.
-[] "Miss Longueville, I do hope you don't expect me to bring all these children along. Our deal was only for your friend." Act like you don't know anything and see what she does.
-[] "What the hell are you and what did you do with Miss Longueville's body?! I can feel the vile magics emanating from you and smell the blood in the air!" Take an aggressive stance but don't reveal that you know about Myozunitonirun.
-[] "Thanks for getting rid of that useless trash. But now you owe me a replacement. I think you'll do nicely...now tell me where your real body is, Myozunitonirun, and I might spare your master a painless retirement when I take over your contract." Threaten and force Myoz into agreeing to a Geass slavery contract, with violence if necessary.
-[] "You killed my client. Tell me why I shouldn't crush you like the annoying bug that you are. You have 30 seconds to plead your case before I turn Newcastle and everything within 10 leagues to ash and dust, including your pathetic puppet Cromwell and the Reconquista navy, just like I destroyed Saxe-Gotha." Then have the AAPV nuke Saxe-Gotha into oblivion while you're talking.
-[] "Well, well, well, what a strange turn of events. So you've killed my client. Luckily for you, our deal wasn't for me to protect herself, but to protect her friend. Since her friend was apparently you, I suppose that means we can continue our business...Tiffania. As long as you're still willing to part with that ring, or a suitable substitute of equal value, I shall have no quarrel with you. Of course, if you don't want to leave Albion and would rather renegotiate the second half of my service...I assure you I'm a very reasonable man." Use the polite fiction of Tiffania to negotiate a service arrangement that might lead to a more interesting alliance.

[] write-in
 
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Ahh man, i'm so happy to see this new chapter... and the more interesting options... good job.

Although this is entirely out of character i'd go for the nuke option (any of them)...then again that would reveal our firepower...so i guess i'll leave the choice the more capable plotters and schemers here... honestly i can see the appeal in saving Matilda just as i can see some potential in attacking cromwell for the ring...well attacking cromwell with a stealth oriented write-in option...

or wait do we have the ability to manufacture various poisons? we could technically poison the reconquista army and offer assistance to Albion? I mean what are the benefits to helping out and crushing the rebellion?

We could get political support, save Wales for Henrietta...and then proceed to hang cromwell and recover the ring... possibly? I'm sure that's going to be worth something right? Hell maybe we could lead some forces to establish our reputation further? Maybe misdirect them to some of our capabilities during the whole ordeal?

Would the above be an interesting write in option? (although it does not quite fit in neatly with the presented options...)
 
bojanx2x said:
Ahh man, i'm so happy to see this new chapter... and the more interesting options... good job.

Although this is entirely out of character i'd go for the nuke option (any of them)...then again that would reveal our firepower...so i guess i'll leave the choice the more capable plotters and schemers here... honestly i can see the appeal in saving Matilda just as i can see some potential in attacking cromwell for the ring...well attacking cromwell with a stealth oriented write-in option...

or wait do we have the ability to manufacture various poisons? we could technically poison the reconquista army and offer assistance to Albion? I mean what are the benefits to helping out and crushing the rebellion?

We could get political support, save Wales for Henrietta...and then proceed to hang cromwell and recover the ring... possibly? I'm sure that's going to be worth something right? Hell maybe we could lead some forces to establish our reputation further? Maybe misdirect them to some of our capabilities during the whole ordeal?

Would the above be an interesting write in option? (although it does not quite fit in neatly with the presented options...)
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MC does have the ability to manufacture a variety of poison using the Armoriont, lethal and non-lethal. He can also spread a number of infectious viruses, but which he cannot control after they spread (as in, he could also spread the counter virus "cure" and/or vaccines but if the virus mutates, then there's nothing that can be done). Note that water mages may be able to cure such poisons however.

There is no loyalist Albion left to assist in practical terms. Reconquista has pushed them back to the King's final stand at Newcastle. The Prince is missing. There are no other royal heirs, as fake Tiffania said this chapter. Crushing the rebellion at this point in a damaging way (ie, defeating them rather than simply taking their surrender with forces intact) using the Axion identity would provide possible diplomatic benefits with Tristain, and possible diplomatic penalties with Germania and Gallia (because Albion would be subject to a unstable power vacuum, and neither country consider Reconquista a threat to themselves). Impact on Romalia and the Papacy is unknown.

If Reconquista forces are left in tact, the MC will use the ring on Cromwell.

A stealth-oriented write-in is not a bad idea. MC will automatically choose relatively stealthy methods in the absence of any persuasion otherwise, because that's his typical modus operandi.

EDIT: Also, it seems the new secondary actions were well received, so I'll put in as the actual choices.
 
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Right, Matilda's usefulness is limited at this point. She is a good earth mage but she is by no means essential. Negotiation is probably pointless, so just getting out might be the best choice, unless saving her provides more benefit somehow.
I guess if Tiffania is somehow still alive, it would be easier to secure her cooperation in the future if we had saved Matilda.
 
inphernalmenace said:
I guess if Tiffania is somehow still alive, it would be easier to secure her cooperation in the future if we had saved Matilda.
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Even as someone that voted to save Matilda I'm unsure of why would Tiffania be left alive.

Logically she'd need to be of value to be kept alive, and simply being a half-elf is surely not that useful, so it would have to be her void powers. But since all the special powers she has without that ring are some memory magic that Myoz could probably replicate with her items, the only thing that would be useful about her being a void mage would be her ability to summon a Void Familar. Going by deductive reasoning it can't be the Left Hand, or Right Hand, or Mind, which leaves the Heart as the only answer, and all that does is the potential to kill an entire race...

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Oh. Fuck.

Well shit, maybe it's not such a bad idea to keep Matilda alive after all guys? ha ha ha... cuz I'm sure Myoz has plenty of ways to mind control Tiffania to summon that Familar as a weapon if she feels like it, and it would be real good to have an option to help with saving and recruiting that kind of potential power.
 
marids said:
Even as someone that voted to save Matilda I'm unsure of why would Tiffania be left alive.

Logically she'd need to be of value to be kept alive, and simply being a half-elf is surely not that useful, so it would have to be her void powers. But since all the special powers she has without that ring are some memory magic that Myoz could probably replicate with her items, the only thing that would be useful about her being a void mage would be her ability to summon a Void Familar. Going by deductive reasoning it can't be the Left Hand, or Right Hand, or Mind, which leaves the Heart as the only answer, and all that does is the potential to kill an entire race...

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Oh. Fuck.

Well shit, maybe it's not such a bad idea to keep Matilda alive after all guys? ha ha ha... cuz I'm sure Myoz has plenty of ways to mind control Tiffania to summon that Familar as a weapon if she feels like it, and it would be real good to have an option to help with saving and recruiting that kind of potential power.
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Ok... so at first i was just going to say that that might be a tad too much meta knowledge (was it stated that we know what all four familiars do?) but then i went over this stuff again and unless i'm way too tired to notice/spot a contradiction...

You essentially just gave us the best write in/save Matilda option... this is provided that Myoz is actually aware of any of the above... correct me if i'm wrong but is Myoz and by extension the king of galia (Joseph right?) aware of what the other familiars do and if so do they know how said familiar could be utilized in the most efficient way?
 
bojanx2x said:
Ok... so at first i was just going to say that that might be a tad too much meta knowledge (was it stated that we know what all four familiars do?) but then i went over this stuff again and unless i'm way too tired to notice/spot a contradiction...

You essentially just gave us the best write in/save Matilda option... this is provided that Myoz is actually aware of any of the above... correct me if i'm wrong but is Myoz and by extension the king of galia (Joseph right?) aware of what the other familiars do and if so do they know how said familiar could be utilized in the most efficient way?
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The MC is aware of what each of the Void familiars do, at a surface level. The MC does not know whether Myoz knows Tiffa is a Void mage, but it's something that would have occurred to him as a possibility.

As for the write-in, can somebody write that out more clearly? I haven't quite understood the logic on how this affects the choice to save Matilda yet.
 
Well i tried making some write ins that would fit but i get paragraphs out of it instead, combine that with my god awful understanding of the series and double/triple checking along with my hesitation to put in a wall of text thats far too long...

well id rather just leave it to the rest and contribute when i have something well thought out or at least more certain then this...
 
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