I wouldn't be surprised if Oxford decided to apply a similar structure to Taylor's role.

Congratulations, you saved the Multiverse, your reward is to be stuck in the Afterlife forever!

I think that making a story were a character is stuck FOREVER in a place they don't want to be is of very bad taste in the current global situation.

I mean, Taylor is not as asshole or evil, I don't want her to suffer if there is no happy ending.
 
Congratulations, you saved the Multiverse, your reward is to be stuck in the Afterlife forever!

I think that making a story were a character is stuck FOREVER in a place they don't want to be is of very bad taste in the current global situation.

I mean, Taylor is not as asshole or evil, I don't want her to suffer if there is no happy ending.

Hades is, bar none, Supergiant's happiest game to date. All characters get a happy ending, or at bare minimum are miles ahead where they were emotionally and in terms of circumstance.

Zag is an all-loving hero, the people of the Underworld Taylor will be working with are genuinely good despite their flaws, and even Hades himself (antagonist though he may be) isn't an irredeemable asshole. It is a far gentler and kinder place than Earth-Bet for the gods involved (which Taylor is now one). Put plainly, it is very possible that once Taylor finds out more about the setting she'll find that becoming part of the House is a reward.

The course of the initial game is somewhat emotionally fraught, but if this follows the formula of its story? Once Taylor and Zag start 'clearing runs' things will begin to improve.

Just because she can't leave the place doesn't mean she can't change it. As the game shows, the underworld and people's state in it isn't immutable (barring certain circumstances).
 
(They're also slightly annoyed that Zeus claims dominion over heaven and earth, having apparently forgotten that everything belongs ultimately to Primordial Chaos; they made reality, its theirs.)
I have the feeling that Taylor is P.C.s refute to Zeus's claim in some way, also my bet is that one of Taylors Domains might be "Transition" or maybe "Change." Hades spoilers: Also considering her "parentage" and what her Influence was on the Sword, eventually the Styx might start having problems grabbing her from outside of Underworld.
 
I have the feeling that Taylor is P.C.s refute to Zeus's claim in some way, also my bet is that one of Taylors Domains might be "Transition" or maybe "Change." Hades spoilers: Also considering her "parentage" and what her Influence was on the Sword, eventually the Styx might start having problems grabbing her from outside of Underworld.

I mean, it is a 'go where you aren't suppose to' power, but at the same time, she's literally born of the Styx.
 
Ok a small doubt I have.
Super Giant never really explored the entirety of the Underworld, just the most famous locations.
I mean in the center of the giant lake that is in the center of Elysium there is a small archipelago of islands known as the Islands of Blest or Fortunate Islands, myths vary on their location. Some say they were located on the world of the living in the Mediterranean sea and where a earthly paradise for heroes. What doesn't differ is that you need to live 3 virtuous lives in order to access them. Fuck it up once and you go to Tartarus, imagine that, but as the saying goes no pain no gain.

Then there is another location in Hades. Located even deeper into the realm of the dead than Tartarus itself, being both a Primordial deity and a Location. Erebus, Nyx's husband and the darkness of the abyss. I think the place you meet Chaos in could be a call back to Erebus, as a Location on the brink of the Chaos of Creation.

My doubt is if we will see them here..... and how would they affect the story, heck I would love to see both Nyx and Erebus argue like the old married couple they are.
 
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And from where does the Styx come from? With Chaos as a Divine Surrogate-Mother of sorts Taylor may "out rank" the river in metaphysical power

Eh, Nyx doesn't outrank the Styx. She has a line about how she's trapped down there with all the rest, I believe. And she Chaos's direct child, no surrogate at all.

I'm not saying it's impossible, the sun iconigraphy is very... not underworld. But she's still touched by darkness, and there are rules for all that are touched by Darkness. If she can break one rule, it probably means she's lesser or weakened in some other way. Only chaos itself is boundless.
 
As a note: Khepri is a rebirth god, god of sunrise, and creation god.

Also that was the name Hypnos liked.

Watch it all be connected to that and Taylor somehow bring light to the Underworld because Chaos wanted to have a giggle.
 
Persephone: "Oh wonderful. This will definitely help the gardens perk up a bit."
Khepri: "I am not a sunlamp."
Hades: -Holds up piece of parchment with Khepri's new job outlined on it- "You are now."
Imagine the rest of the Undersiders ending up in the Underworld after the events of Hades? What would their reactions be? Could be an interestimg omake at least
 
Imagine the rest of the Undersiders ending up in the Underworld after the events of Hades? What would their reactions be? Could be an interestimg omake at least
Wouldn't they end up as shades etc? Though if Lisa didn't learn to shut up Hades would probably weld her mouth shut at the very least. He might take Zag's backtalk to varying degrees but J.Random mortal?
 
Wouldn't they end up as shades etc? Though if Lisa didn't learn to shut up Hades would probably weld her mouth shut at the very least. He might take Zag's backtalk to varying degrees but J.Random mortal?

Confirmed. Zag is the only one who gets to mouth off with impunity. Even Nyx, who is by all means his equal in claim to the domain, is circumspect (though that might just be her idk).

Lisa would be punted so hard into Erebus that she might plow through to Chaos from the force.

(To be honest, Hades letting Zag get away with it might be one of his few concessions because it's not like he doesn't deserve it. He is a bitter, bitter man and an emotionally abusive neglectful parent. It gets better, but ow he's awful till the postgame/epilogue.)
 
Nyx is respectful, but you can stumble upon a scene where Hades tries to impose on her. Nyx immediately retorts, showing a bit of her power. She might be gentle and respectful, but don't mistake it for weakness.
Very true, she acknowledges Hades as the Ruler of the Underworld but never forget that while he is a god she is the Night itself personified, a Primordial Cthonic Deity, basically more powerful than him, heck even Titans had troubles against Primordials.

Wouldn't they end up as shades etc? Though if Lisa didn't learn to shut up Hades would probably weld her mouth shut at the very least. He might take Zag's backtalk to varying degrees but J.Random mortal?
Considering she would not have her Shard? Most of the i need to be the most intelligent person in the room and smuggest came from it
 
Congratulations, you saved the Multiverse, your reward is to be stuck in the Afterlife forever!

I think that making a story were a character is stuck FOREVER in a place they don't want to be is of very bad taste in the current global situation.

I mean, Taylor is not as asshole or evil, I don't want her to suffer if there is no happy ending.
Well, I mean, assuming souls are a thing then everyone's reward for everything is to be stuck in the afterlife forever. That's kind of how the afterlife works.

The goal is to try and make sure you get to be stuck in one of the good parts of the afterlife, instead of the bad parts. In Greek Mythology, that means ideally the Elysian Fields or at least the Asphodel Meadows. (And, if you're feeling brave and manage to make it to Elysium, you can try for reincarnation instead of staying, manage to get to Elysium 3 times in a row in 3 different incarnations and you can go to the Isle of the Blessed, which is where all the awesome demigods and heroes get to live.)

Taylor has actually managed to do even better than Elysium, having landed a position in the House of Hades as a goddess, which means she is right at the very top of the Underworld (I c wat u did thar Hades) and could even go hang out in the Isle of the Blessed if she wanted to.


Getting upset because after Taylor died she got stuck in the afterlife is a bit strange when you think about it.

Hades is, bar none, Supergiant's happiest game to date. All characters get a happy ending, or at bare minimum are miles ahead where they were emotionally and in terms of circumstance.

Zag is an all-loving hero, the people of the Underworld Taylor will be working with are genuinely good despite their flaws, and even Hades himself (antagonist though he may be) isn't an irredeemable asshole. It is a far gentler and kinder place than Earth-Bet for the gods involved (which Taylor is now one). Put plainly, it is very possible that once Taylor finds out more about the setting she'll find that becoming part of the House is a reward.

The course of the initial game is somewhat emotionally fraught, but if this follows the formula of its story? Once Taylor and Zag start 'clearing runs' things will begin to improve.

Just because she can't leave the place doesn't mean she can't change it. As the game shows, the underworld and people's state in it isn't immutable (barring certain circumstances).
Yeah, Zag is stuck in the Underworld forever just like all the other Cthonic gods, but (endgame spoilers) after he gets Persephone back and helps mend fences between her and Hades, Hades gives him the official job of stress-testing the Underworld's defenses by continuing his escape attempts, which Zag gleefully throws himself into and keeps escaping before dying of *cough* natural *cough* causes. (Finds a pool of red water, a voice asks if Zag could possibly help them out by jumping in the pool, Zag, being a friendly quest-completing bro says 'sure!' and jumps into the pool, you-know-what happens next. You're not even trying anymore are you Zag?)

The game is really infinitely less grimdark than its premise first appears.


e: Also, yeah, for future reference: Primordial Chaos is not male or female, Primordial Chaos does not have a gender, Primordial Chaos is Primordial Chaos. They predate the concept of gender and it does not apply to them in any way, shape or form.


As a note: Khepri is a rebirth god, god of sunrise, and creation god.

Also that was the name Hypnos liked.

Watch it all be connected to that and Taylor somehow bring light to the Underworld because Chaos wanted to have a giggle.
Even better, watch Osiris turn up to chat with Hades and ask him if he's seen Khepri anywhere at Ra's request, because Khepri went missing awhile back and Ra is getting desperate enough to stop hiding this fact because he really wants to stop being responsible for making sure the sun rises every morning; he has enough shit to deal with without adding that onto his duties.

Turns out Khepri decided to give this whole 'reincarnate as a mortal' thing a try, only in their inexperience they accidentally reincarnated into the wrong reality.
 
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That's kind of how the afterlife works.

No.

That's how some explanations of the Afterlife works.

Even if the Afterlife has unlimited space, and this one doesn't look like it has, souls should move on to a next life eventually. Otherwise you will eventually end with an afterlife whose population is so huge it would be a disaster.

Edit: Apparently the Greek Phanteon does have reincarnation and getting 3 lives as a saint is so rare the Islands will take millions of years to get full.
 
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Edit: Apparently the Greek Phanteon does have reincarnation and getting 3 lives as a saint is so rare the Islands will take millions of years to get full.
In Greek Mythology, reincarnation is only offered to virtuous souls that make it to Elysium, and the only reason to do so is if you are trying for the Isle of the Blessed and want to live in ultra-paradise with all the demigods and legendary heroes.

99.99% of people who make it to Elysium are gonna stay there and not take the reincarnation risk, only the bravest, most heroic and most (over)confident souls dare to give life another try.

And only a small fraction of people who die make it to Elysium, the vast majority of people do not distinguish themselves sufficiently one way or the other for Elysium or Tartarus, and so go to the Asphodel Meadows where they basically just live in neutrality, experiencing neither great suffering nor great exaltation, just an ongoing eternity as a shade.

(IIRC in Hades it is also implied that the war isn't the only reason the Underworld is having issues at the moment; the Phlegethon has flooded the Asphodel Meadows with its magmatic flows for some reason, causing a mass evacuation of shades from Asphodel and requiring Hades to relocate them on top of dealing with the increased influx of dead people from the surface.)
 
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Something I've been musing on is that depending on how the two settings here are connected, things could get incredibly interesting.

Basically, there are two options: either the world - including multiverse - that Taylor knows is in some way connected to the world of Hades (the game in general, that is), which raises some huge questions, both metaphysical and mundane; or it isn't, at least until Taylor ended up there, which raises even more.

I'll admit, I'd find the latter more interesting (though I'm sure it'll be good either way) if only for the reaction it'd provoke from Chaos, and probably from Zagreus in turn, when they ended up visiting.

After all, imagine you're taking a wee jaunt to meet Primordial Chaos, the genesis of all things - y'know, as you do - and then they turn to your companion and say, "I am the creator of all things that are, that were, and that ever will be. And you are none of these."

Honestly, what the fuck do you even do in that scenario?
 
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And only a small fraction of people who die make it to Elysium, the vast majority of people do not distinguish themselves sufficiently one way or the other for Elysium or Tartarus, and so go to the Asphodel Meadows where they basically just live in neutrality, experiencing neither great suffering nor great exaltation, just an ongoing eternity as a shade
Funny thing, with the Plegethon flooding Asphodel meadows the place looks like a normal version of Christian Hell.

Something I've been musing on is that depending on how the two settings here are connected, things could get incredibly interesting.

Basically, there are two options: either the world Taylor knows is in some way connected to the world of Hades, which raises some huge questions, both metaphysical and mundane; or it isn't, at least until Taylor ended up there, which raises even more.

I'll admit, I'd find the latter more interesting (though I'm sure it'll be good either way) if only for the reaction it'd provoke from Chaos, and probably from Zagreus in turn, when they ended up visiting.

After all, imagine you're taking a wee jaunt to meet Primordial Chaos, the genesis of all things - y'know, as you do - and then they turn to your companion and say, "I am the creator of all things that are, that were, and that ever will be. And you are none of these."

Honestly, what the fuck do you even do in that scenario?
........In Taylor's case escalate so fucking hard that Chaos is impressed?
 
The game also implies that Hades (that is, the whole plane of existence) is in fact, limitless in its size as it is also Part of Nyx, with The House being its core, which existed long before Hades (the god) ever laid his claim on it.

The only reason it can be crossed by Zag is twofold; he's fated to escape, and because Nyx is helping him
 
The game also implies that Hades (that is, the whole plane of existence) is in fact, limitless in its size as it is also Part of Nyx, with The House being its core, which existed long before Hades (the god) ever laid his claim on it.

The only reason it can be crossed by Zag is twofold; he's fated to escape, and because Nyx is helping him
This is very true.
If we go by rules of other works, take PJ's for example.
Hades can make expansions of the Underworld, but it costs him money, although being the god of gems, precious metals and riches he always has cash in hand.
 
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