- Location
- Ireland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Don's Canto wrapped up about two weeks ago and we've got two intervallo chapters before Hong Lu's Canto so Ryoshu is gonna be a bit.
All Aboard The Magic Hellbus! Let's Play Limbus Company
- Thread starter ZerbanDaGreat
- Start date
- Let's Play
- Location
- Wörms, the half continent
Going by Limbus Pacing (TM), I would probably expect Ryoshu's canto - if she is next after Hongler - to be sometime spring next year at the earliest.
If it was Ryoshu, Shrenne would have collapsed into a bloody flower or something. Why settle for simple half-and-half when you can make them unfold like a lotus blossom instead?
- Location
- Wörms, the half continent
It's all the more impressive whoever that assassin was as they clearly did that cut through the wall behind Shrenne, as you can see the slice appear and then obliterate the wall as well.
Shi Association assassin logic: "You don't need to be in the same room to stab them if you can stab them through the wall"
Shi Association assassin logic: "You don't need to be in the same room to stab them if you can stab them through the wall"
- Location
- Ireland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Incidentally, it hasn't come up in the LP because they're optional IDs that Zerban hasn't (and probably won't lmao they're kinda ass) used from the launch of the game, but the line about the Shi assassin not being one of those lame stupid dumb jobbers from Section 5 or 6 is much funnier when you have the context that the three available Shi Association IDs for the Sinners are all Shi Section 5.
False, the first pull the game force you to do in the tutorial gives a guaranted Shi Ishmale, the stronges of the three! Shes canon!
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Fourthmatchflame
Fangirl of Ryoshu and Scorched Girl
- Location
- A certain Pale Librarians Book.
- Pronouns
- She/Fae
shicliff is actually pretty good...
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Don't let the comments fool you, ALL the Shi identities are actually pretty good, people keep begging PM to make more of them even.
True fact certified by the queen.
True fact certified by the queen.
Fourthmatchflame
Fangirl of Ryoshu and Scorched Girl
- Location
- A certain Pale Librarians Book.
- Pronouns
- She/Fae
donshi uptie 5 when?
Ariamaki
Judge of Scales
- Location
- Land of Breath and Balance
- Pronouns
- He/They
This is actually worth pointing out because I forget if it came up earlier: The order of the initial Sinner introductions is 1:1 the order of their Cantos. This was confirmed well before the game was even released so I'd hope it isn't considered a spoiler... Regardless, that does mean Ryoshu is coming up sometime next year, maybe as early as mid-late summer? We just wrapped tape on Don and that means Hong Lu's next up on the wheel of fun in 3-6 months (probably on the lower end of that estimate given that C6 was something of an outlier) with Ryoshu after that. We might even hear more details in an upcoming developer livestream for Project Moon's 8th anniversary, which will DEFINITELY be spoileriffic so do keep yourselves safe.
EDIT: Aw dang the thread swept up and updated weirdly, so I missed an entire page break here. This ended up being less timely than it seemed when I started typing it, sorry.
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- Location
- Portugal
This Canto hasn't been entirely smooth sailing (will they ever be, for the Sinners?), but the most uncomfortable elements are starting now to bubble up. Dongrang just can't contain his sliminess either with colleagues, with former colleagues, or with the people he contracted to handle his problem, and whatever they feel is just secondary to what he's really interested in. But even in the face of the threats of horrific torture, I wasn't expecting Ran to blow herself up. To make a point when left without alternatives? To keep her committment to the fight against K Corp to the end? It's still kind of shocking. One would expect the reader to perhaps be accustomed to it, but the suddeness and the extent to which the Sinners can get horribly mulched, as they did here to shield those at risk of dying instantly, still gets me... and acts to an extent as another revealing moment.
This comparison of the healing ampoules to Dante's turning back the clock is so distressingly interesting. Maybe the ampoules could spare the Sinners, and more pertinently, Dante themself, some pain, but the actual distributors of the ampoules ask their workers to mutilate themselves beyond already severe need to benefit, and their higher-up employers and scientists just get to ignore the standard. Dante literally shares the pain of the Sinners's injuries and deaths because they'd be gone and done otherwise, but K Corp demands excessive pain as a requirement to keep the people that fight for them alive. K Corp talks about improving quality of life but how repugnantly it treats the possibilities for life brought about by its miracle cure doesn't stop at hypocrisy over its value, or even the company's impersonal priorities. The dynamic of power formed between Dante and the other Sinners may be deeply troubled, yet they share their suffering grind in a way that we are seeing genuinely builds their empathy and readiness to do something for each other.
... but I do find myself wondering. At this point I'm sure the ampoules have some concerning source for one or more of their components, but where does the rewound time for Dante come from? Is sharing the deaths and agony of the Sinners the cost they pay to make this power function, or is it merely the key, and the infraction upon the flow of time is deducted from somewhere else still?
The Rosespanner Workshop treachery reveal feels to me too like a pretty dull twist, but the conversation about betrayal and Dante's immediate reaction are very interesting. What other concepts like this, second nature to the City's hierarchies, are completely out of context for Dante? This is likely not the place in the narrative to dwell on that too much, though it's a good reminder, because we immediately get more pressing questions. Damn, what the hell was Shrenne referring to that someone dropped the unseen perfect vertical bisection specialist assassins on her and even Dongrang was left instantly shaken?? I guess the danger could have been on her trail earlier but it feels more pertinent that it was set off right there. She... said something that crossed a line.
So too, Yi Sang finally addressing Dongrang feels like crossing, or at least taking the initiative to step on, a line that the latter has been purposefully treading all this time, waiting for some reaction while knowing that this way of prodding Yi Sang prickles his nerves and his tolerance for interaction. It's so hard to tell yet what Dongrang wants from this, because what he claims seems untrustworthy, and we can speculate volumes about the words exchanged between them. Is Dongrang resentful of Yi Sang's detachment, at the same time as Yi Sang looks down on Dongrang's shallow sentiments towards things that mattered to both of them... as scientists? As people?
I can't really connect what Yi Sang's base EGO is saying to any of this yet, but the parallel you suggest between the chickens and his bird associations is... not comforting for what we're seeing in this Canto! This lady waiting for the group - but it especially seems waiting for Yi Sang - with the Golden Bough at the end of their somewhat botched expedition almost seems to come out of nowhere, but looking at that photograph, it looks like we're going to get some heavy explanations of her connections with the others we recognize very soon.
So, what is up with photographs here. Dongrang's insistence on displaying plaques and awards and positions, on getting back these records of the lab, of his old colleagues. The accusations(??) of keeping things preserved in bottles. Is Yi Sang's character arc about how to relate to precious memories as much as about standing by and letting things just crash into you, or past you, and doing nothing because you convince yourself it has no point?
This comparison of the healing ampoules to Dante's turning back the clock is so distressingly interesting. Maybe the ampoules could spare the Sinners, and more pertinently, Dante themself, some pain, but the actual distributors of the ampoules ask their workers to mutilate themselves beyond already severe need to benefit, and their higher-up employers and scientists just get to ignore the standard. Dante literally shares the pain of the Sinners's injuries and deaths because they'd be gone and done otherwise, but K Corp demands excessive pain as a requirement to keep the people that fight for them alive. K Corp talks about improving quality of life but how repugnantly it treats the possibilities for life brought about by its miracle cure doesn't stop at hypocrisy over its value, or even the company's impersonal priorities. The dynamic of power formed between Dante and the other Sinners may be deeply troubled, yet they share their suffering grind in a way that we are seeing genuinely builds their empathy and readiness to do something for each other.
... but I do find myself wondering. At this point I'm sure the ampoules have some concerning source for one or more of their components, but where does the rewound time for Dante come from? Is sharing the deaths and agony of the Sinners the cost they pay to make this power function, or is it merely the key, and the infraction upon the flow of time is deducted from somewhere else still?
The Rosespanner Workshop treachery reveal feels to me too like a pretty dull twist, but the conversation about betrayal and Dante's immediate reaction are very interesting. What other concepts like this, second nature to the City's hierarchies, are completely out of context for Dante? This is likely not the place in the narrative to dwell on that too much, though it's a good reminder, because we immediately get more pressing questions. Damn, what the hell was Shrenne referring to that someone dropped the unseen perfect vertical bisection specialist assassins on her and even Dongrang was left instantly shaken?? I guess the danger could have been on her trail earlier but it feels more pertinent that it was set off right there. She... said something that crossed a line.
So too, Yi Sang finally addressing Dongrang feels like crossing, or at least taking the initiative to step on, a line that the latter has been purposefully treading all this time, waiting for some reaction while knowing that this way of prodding Yi Sang prickles his nerves and his tolerance for interaction. It's so hard to tell yet what Dongrang wants from this, because what he claims seems untrustworthy, and we can speculate volumes about the words exchanged between them. Is Dongrang resentful of Yi Sang's detachment, at the same time as Yi Sang looks down on Dongrang's shallow sentiments towards things that mattered to both of them... as scientists? As people?
I can't really connect what Yi Sang's base EGO is saying to any of this yet, but the parallel you suggest between the chickens and his bird associations is... not comforting for what we're seeing in this Canto! This lady waiting for the group - but it especially seems waiting for Yi Sang - with the Golden Bough at the end of their somewhat botched expedition almost seems to come out of nowhere, but looking at that photograph, it looks like we're going to get some heavy explanations of her connections with the others we recognize very soon.
So, what is up with photographs here. Dongrang's insistence on displaying plaques and awards and positions, on getting back these records of the lab, of his old colleagues. The accusations(??) of keeping things preserved in bottles. Is Yi Sang's character arc about how to relate to precious memories as much as about standing by and letting things just crash into you, or past you, and doing nothing because you convince yourself it has no point?
EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
I remember when the scene of Ran blowing herself up came, I thought for a while that she escaped and blew something else up. It took till part 2 of canto 4 for me to realize "wait, she died? When did that happen? It was in part 1???"
I probably would have done the same, just assumed it was a distraction for her escape because they wouldn't just do that, right??? Right?!??
Ariamaki
Judge of Scales
- Location
- Land of Breath and Balance
- Pronouns
- He/They
OH BOY I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL I GET TO TALK ABOUT 'THE WINGS' AND THE SOCIAL / EXISTENTIAL NIGHTMARES THEREOF!!
But in all seriousness, this is a really good pickup and associated question: Our local 'taxidermied genius' definitely has a strong theme of being stuffed and kept in place! And given our 'Face the sin save the EGO' ethos around these parts, that means we should be looking at the associated sin a little more closely. Sloth is a sin shared by, let's see here... The costs of LITERALLY every single Yi Sang EGO to a greater (most of them) or lesser (His Season 1 bus pass EGO 'Fourth Match Flame' only requiring 1 out of its 7 cost) extent, and it's also generated by every one of his IDs except for two, out of ten.
One of those two exceptions is his launch 000-rarity ID, and also the game's equivalent of a preorder bonus (they gave it away as a mail-in for every player in the first few weeks of release as part of their big preregistration push), while the other is a spoiler. That launch-era ID has a fascinating personality, and one particularly relevant chatter quote if you leave Dante's 'window' open to him in the UI, one that might help explain why he utterly lacks in the character's otherwise-defining Sloth:
| Are you curious of my past? Such things… have all been cut off long ago. | |
I don't want to step on any toes by waxing more rhapsodic about this weirdo outlier in Yi Sang's ID collection (yet), but suffice to say? Whatever happened during his time with Dongrang and these other figures... Yi Sang's past is clearly a heavy weight on his shoulders, one whose pressure and weight would result in sloth and stillness to the untrained eye.
BarnabusBarnabus
Something like spice and something like pine.
- Location
- A beach, limned in silver like the painted moon.
-Snipped-
Sorry, got too enthusiastic.
Sorry, got too enthusiastic.
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- Location
- Ireland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You know that coyly alluding to future spoilers is still a spoiler, right?
BarnabusBarnabus
Something like spice and something like pine.
- Location
- A beach, limned in silver like the painted moon.
My bad, struck the post. Won't happen again.
- Location
- Ireland
- Pronouns
- They/Them/She/Her
Did two separate binges of this, Start to the end of Canto II, then from Canto III to here, oughghghghghghghghgh reading this game is making my brain itch, I love it.
There is a particularly notable EGO of Yi-Sang's that I really want to mention now, before things start to really kick off. It shouldn't step outside the bounds of the playthrough (though if Zerban is planning to elaborate on season 1 content or want ppl to talk about Yi-Sang's ego later on I can edit this). Canto 3 marked the end of season 1, and with its battlepass came a novel addition of 3 sinners getting the same EGO: 4th Match Flame.
I won't go too deep into generalities, but it is always worth noting which sinners resonate with an abnormality, and how their specific manifestation of EGO channels the various symbols and references an abno is pulling from. 4th Match Flame is an especially potent example as each sinner (Rodya, Yi-Sang, and Ryoshu) diverges greatly on their use and relation to the abnormality it's formed from, allowing for a much clearer reading on what they resonate with.
4th Match Flame too, is clear in inspiration and intent. Derived from the Scorched Girl abnormality, it's a retelling of the little match girl with additional homicidal tendencies. Where the original fairy tale has the girl burning away what she needs to live through the night to see visions of an impossible future, Scorched Girl is depicted having burnt away herself and her surroundings, desperately trying to find more to feed the visions in fire and destroying everything that could bring the happiness she seeks in the process.
Rodya's EGO (a HE) has the flames still burning in the background upon use, a cityscape with buildings alight and toppling. In the artwork the scorched girl stands towering in the distance, eyes bright in the fire. Her awakening line questions "If these fervent flames could thaw the heart" and perhaps let her to move on, while in corrosion she is fully consumed by fire and unable to stop.
Ryoshu's version (another HE) has an entirely separate background- the flames running low and a heap of coals smoldering under the bed of ash covering the cityscape. In the art the scorched girl has stopped burning and only the disembodied head remains, coal marks running down its cheeks like tears. The centerpiece of the picture is a bright white line of flame cutting across the landscape so cleanly it feels like Ryoshu's channeled all that flame and destruction to cleave the art itself in half. Her awakening line talks of how even this self-destructive passion is a form of art, while the corrosion is once again consumed and the flickering, ashen form of Ryoshu roars out towards "The all-consuming fire…" with undefinable emotion.
Finally, Yi-Sang.
His version of the ego (a TETH) uses the same ash covered background as Ryoshu, but where her artwork still has flames, Yi-Sang does not have fire, or coal, or truly anything burning at all. A coat trailing a thin line of embers, and a faint red glow from what little remains of the fire in a pile under his feet. Yi-Sang's flame has already extinguished itself, while the smaller Scorched Girl discorporating behind him doesn't even have tears left with which to cry. If Scorched Girl is to be read as a self destructive turn towards one's hopes, the visions of what cannot be burning away all you are and ruining any attempt to reach that future- then Yi-Sang has already been snuffed out. There's nothing left in him.
His awakening line claims that "He only burns what he wishes to burn", which feels like a bad joke when contrasted with the art, and on use he slashes out with a line of ash that glows red for just a moment. It inflicts a massive 10 burn aoe but without any additional count, extinguished on turn end. It has no other effects. In his corrosion he transmutes completely into a silhouette of carbon, and as he swings laments, "It will… turn all to ash" as if it hasn't already. He may have a point, however- because even then, with so little left, the ash of his sword sparks for a moment upon swinging, and the animation ends with the ash in the air catching alight once more.
When talking about a sinner's background, even before getting actual details you can fill in much of how they live in the world and what burdens they carry by seeing how they interpret their ego. Each sinner represents a story, and in mantling an abnormality they superimpose another, simpler story onto themselves. Which parts of a given fable/urban legend/visual metaphor speak to their own history can often tell you more about a sinner than what they actually say in the story. It's one of the things I love most about the game.
I won't go too deep into generalities, but it is always worth noting which sinners resonate with an abnormality, and how their specific manifestation of EGO channels the various symbols and references an abno is pulling from. 4th Match Flame is an especially potent example as each sinner (Rodya, Yi-Sang, and Ryoshu) diverges greatly on their use and relation to the abnormality it's formed from, allowing for a much clearer reading on what they resonate with.
4th Match Flame too, is clear in inspiration and intent. Derived from the Scorched Girl abnormality, it's a retelling of the little match girl with additional homicidal tendencies. Where the original fairy tale has the girl burning away what she needs to live through the night to see visions of an impossible future, Scorched Girl is depicted having burnt away herself and her surroundings, desperately trying to find more to feed the visions in fire and destroying everything that could bring the happiness she seeks in the process.
Rodya's EGO (a HE) has the flames still burning in the background upon use, a cityscape with buildings alight and toppling. In the artwork the scorched girl stands towering in the distance, eyes bright in the fire. Her awakening line questions "If these fervent flames could thaw the heart" and perhaps let her to move on, while in corrosion she is fully consumed by fire and unable to stop.
Ryoshu's version (another HE) has an entirely separate background- the flames running low and a heap of coals smoldering under the bed of ash covering the cityscape. In the art the scorched girl has stopped burning and only the disembodied head remains, coal marks running down its cheeks like tears. The centerpiece of the picture is a bright white line of flame cutting across the landscape so cleanly it feels like Ryoshu's channeled all that flame and destruction to cleave the art itself in half. Her awakening line talks of how even this self-destructive passion is a form of art, while the corrosion is once again consumed and the flickering, ashen form of Ryoshu roars out towards "The all-consuming fire…" with undefinable emotion.
Finally, Yi-Sang.
His version of the ego (a TETH) uses the same ash covered background as Ryoshu, but where her artwork still has flames, Yi-Sang does not have fire, or coal, or truly anything burning at all. A coat trailing a thin line of embers, and a faint red glow from what little remains of the fire in a pile under his feet. Yi-Sang's flame has already extinguished itself, while the smaller Scorched Girl discorporating behind him doesn't even have tears left with which to cry. If Scorched Girl is to be read as a self destructive turn towards one's hopes, the visions of what cannot be burning away all you are and ruining any attempt to reach that future- then Yi-Sang has already been snuffed out. There's nothing left in him.
His awakening line claims that "He only burns what he wishes to burn", which feels like a bad joke when contrasted with the art, and on use he slashes out with a line of ash that glows red for just a moment. It inflicts a massive 10 burn aoe but without any additional count, extinguished on turn end. It has no other effects. In his corrosion he transmutes completely into a silhouette of carbon, and as he swings laments, "It will… turn all to ash" as if it hasn't already. He may have a point, however- because even then, with so little left, the ash of his sword sparks for a moment upon swinging, and the animation ends with the ash in the air catching alight once more.
When talking about a sinner's background, even before getting actual details you can fill in much of how they live in the world and what burdens they carry by seeing how they interpret their ego. Each sinner represents a story, and in mantling an abnormality they superimpose another, simpler story onto themselves. Which parts of a given fable/urban legend/visual metaphor speak to their own history can often tell you more about a sinner than what they actually say in the story. It's one of the things I love most about the game.
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Fourthmatchflame
Fangirl of Ryoshu and Scorched Girl
- Location
- A certain Pale Librarians Book.
- Pronouns
- She/Fae
note: for reasons, don quixote is also likely to get this ego in the future. stay tuned, fellow sorched girl fans!
Fourthmatchflame
Fangirl of Ryoshu and Scorched Girl
- Location
- A certain Pale Librarians Book.
- Pronouns
- She/Fae
i mean... at this point, not releasing it would be really strange. considering the thing i cannot talk about in this thread.
drearyArchon
Chaos Lord Chaos
- Location
- The Floor of Social Sciences
Deleted previous post for getting off topic / into spoiler territory probably.
On a less spoiler-y note, the EGOs used by the Sinners seems to get stronger / weaker based on their personal compatibility with the Abno.
Yi Sang FMF's is TETH, like Scorched Girl herself, while Rodion and Ryoshu's versions are both HE. This isn't the only time that happens either.
Despite this, Yi Sang's is also the most expensive, taking 5 Wrath, 1 Sloth, and 1 Gluttony to activate. Rodion's only cost 3 Wrath, 2 Pride, and 1 Envy, while Ryoshu's cost 4 Wrath and 2 pride.
Is this because Ryoshu FMF was the Season 1 Premier EGO and thus had to be stronger to not disappoint? Probably.
On a less spoiler-y note, the EGOs used by the Sinners seems to get stronger / weaker based on their personal compatibility with the Abno.
Yi Sang FMF's is TETH, like Scorched Girl herself, while Rodion and Ryoshu's versions are both HE. This isn't the only time that happens either.
Despite this, Yi Sang's is also the most expensive, taking 5 Wrath, 1 Sloth, and 1 Gluttony to activate. Rodion's only cost 3 Wrath, 2 Pride, and 1 Envy, while Ryoshu's cost 4 Wrath and 2 pride.
Is this because Ryoshu FMF was the Season 1 Premier EGO and thus had to be stronger to not disappoint? Probably.
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Fourthmatchflame
Fangirl of Ryoshu and Scorched Girl
- Location
- A certain Pale Librarians Book.
- Pronouns
- She/Fae
but they made it negative coin on awakening so it sucks, unfortunately. big loss for us scorched girl fans.
Nanimani
Probably listening to music
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That's Rodya, not Ryoshu. Ryoshu's is actually pretty dang good.
Fourthmatchflame
Fangirl of Ryoshu and Scorched Girl
- Location
- A certain Pale Librarians Book.
- Pronouns
- She/Fae
oh, i thought that archon was talking about rodya. i feel foolish now.