veekie said:
Still gimmicky guys. I'm not convinced.1986ctcel said:
Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 9: Icon’s Idiosyncrasies Incite Irritating Inquisition
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.IronSun.
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connect a backpack module to a drone frame and mount it on the back between the thrusters. Hands(and Essence) free drone spam.1986ctcel said:
EDIT: would any space folding backpack we build auto-repair and recharge items, or is that only for things we absorb manually? setting up a module that automatically switches out batteries for our suit would be awesome.
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It's very efficient since we can just snipe multiple enemies from high up and from multiple angles so they can't dodge, even a brute will go down to repeated massed fire from multiple stun lasers, we can swarm them and keep them off balance while other brutes or strikers can take them out. If nothing else it can keep an angry brute occupied enough that he can't hurt our teammates.landcollector said:
You use micro-magnetometers, which are commercially available components you can buy off the shelf. They are small and light, versions exist that are on the scale of millimetres and are built into computer chips. You need a few of them, but the signals you'd get from insect brains are much easier to read than from human ones.uju32 said:
It's been demonstrated on much more complex brains (humans) in the real world. Essence should not really come into this either.uju32 said:
We don't need novel computer programming. We should use insects that have been well studied and use that information to seed a neural net we teach to extract the signals we desire in response to the right inputs. Or use an evolutionary algorithm of some kind.uju32 said:
This is quite standard signal processing. Our ability to control what the insect brain is doing makes it much easier to decode what we want. We just train the system to respond to the signal, whatever it is.
The human brain is much more complex than an insect one, for one thing, and for a second, we can make basic non-invasive BCIs for pilots today. You do not need future tech for this.uju32 said:
Do we even know that they aren't using non-invasive BCIs to help control the power armour? It would make it much safer and simpler to control the suit if it moved at precisely the same time as the person underneath.
Only if the programming for the insect scanner isn't designed to be used with multiple insects. A human brain does multiple things at once, and these kinds of scanners work on them.uju32 said:
Doing this does depend on being able to understand firmware when she absorbs things, I admit. Absorbing a set of existing non invasive insect BCIs and a whole set of scanning gear should do the rest. That's assuming she can't just absorb some miniaturised Tinkertech electromagnetic sensors. It should be the work of moments for Armsmaster to make them.
Anywhere, this is going nowhere. Better to just specify we have Taylor build some way to control computers via insects and see what she comes up with based on the tech she's absorbed.
Not likely to convince you then, if the effectiveness argument doesn't suffice. Taylor is very good at swarm combat and above average at best in ranged combat. She's completely hopeless in melee combat without significant increase in training.
If we absorb them while they're docked to a backpack charger, we should at least recharge both..IronSun. said:
Only things we manually absorb IIRC..IronSun. said:
And which other highly valuable module would give up? We only have 4 slots remember?1986ctcel said:
.IronSun.
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Bear in mind this is just our first suit guys. EVENTUALLY we'll have that sucker rigged up like a swiss army knife's wet dream.landcollector said:
None. Had a brainwave after the whole mess with the armor and realized that a drone rack does not need to be integrated with our armor. We could have a separate backpack or hoverboard loaded with all the stuff. Easier to build and modify too.landcollector said:
We had craft 3 at the time. Best we could do. Suitcase? Bulky as hell. Hoverboard? Pretty easy to destroy.Slamu said:
On drone deployment, why do we need to have them on us or in Elsewhere for them to be useful?
We could do tricks like having a remote controlled suit walking around visible while we float above invisibly. Depending on the power costs we could also keep a flotilla of camouflaged drones hovering above and around the city on standby, with hibernating insect controllers that we wake up as we come into range, that shuttle back to base on a regular schedule for a battery recharge.
There's also the option of having a very large number of them waiting in our workshop setup so that if we send an appropriate signal over the PRT networks they deploy and head to our location, and we assume direct control when they enter range.
There are lots of other scenarios, including simply taking a flotilla of drones with us whenever we go out on patrol.
Essentially, the drones allow us to be a one woman army in a way that just the insects don't, as it allows us to give them heavier weapons and more exotic and longer sensors.
We could do tricks like having a remote controlled suit walking around visible while we float above invisibly. Depending on the power costs we could also keep a flotilla of camouflaged drones hovering above and around the city on standby, with hibernating insect controllers that we wake up as we come into range, that shuttle back to base on a regular schedule for a battery recharge.
There's also the option of having a very large number of them waiting in our workshop setup so that if we send an appropriate signal over the PRT networks they deploy and head to our location, and we assume direct control when they enter range.
There are lots of other scenarios, including simply taking a flotilla of drones with us whenever we go out on patrol.
Essentially, the drones allow us to be a one woman army in a way that just the insects don't, as it allows us to give them heavier weapons and more exotic and longer sensors.
.IronSun.
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It's only a problem if you think of it as a problem. We've already well established the fact that our swarms are squishy and expendable as hell. Think of it as the 'firefly' idea that tends to get brought up, only with synthetic explosives instead of genetically engineered to avoid the kneejerk bio-squick reaction from the higher ups.Doomlord9 said:
EDIT: you want a bigger boom? Quantity is much easier and cheaper to obtain than quality.
*shakes head in dismay at sudden drone obsession*
So many other things to do, and you guys are focusing on moderately impractical, highly resource intensive drones?
So many other things to do, and you guys are focusing on moderately impractical, highly resource intensive drones?
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They're a MASSIVE force multiplier we could just have a backpack or just a swarm of them floating around us while we fly over Philly just raining down stun lasers on any muggers or villains we find while completely safe from virtually all attack by virtue of being too high to attack.landcollector said:
.IronSun.
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Depends on the kind of drone spam you want to do. full blown helper bots with bug pilots? Not very practical regardless of the situation. A few bug-interfaced computers in our workshop for the use of spare consciousnesses to research on while we work? Probably a good idea. An actual bug swarm with some tinker munition upgrades? Damn cheap and effective, and plays massively to our strengths.landcollector said:
Now this? I like this..IronSun. said:
Drones would act as a massive force multiplier. Imagine being able to deploy units of mentally controlled Tinkertech combat robots.landcollector said:
Even better, imagine insect controlled industrial robots in our workshop to allow us to have production lines for mass production.
Or completely invisible and undetectable.1986ctcel said:
Now that seems like a waste of time compared to reusable drones. Even if a drone gets completely smashed to pieces, if we can scoop up the bits it will soon be as good as new. Once a munition is expended, it's gone..IronSun. said:
Hah, like Gromweld would allow that to happen.Doomlord9 said:
I see your point, but a lot can happen in 4 days.sainen said:
Spreading our sixfold consciousness a little thin there, but it's a good idea.Slamu said:
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Dude, Kid Win + Dragon + Armsmaster + Slamu's fabricator idea. The only issue would be actually attaching them, and having some workshop Drones with bug interfaces would be awesome for this. Ultimate multitasking FTW. In fact workshop drones are one of the few drone Ideas I'm actually enthusiastic about at this point, as they'd cut down drastically on our manufacturing time for large batches of components.Doomlord9 said:
Again, knee jerk bio-squick reaction from our higher ups, for LEGITIMATE REASONS. If tech options can achieve roughly the same results with an approximate amount of effort we should go with that instead. On the other hands, I don't see any real problems with getting Panacea to help us breed stronger more durable strains of bugs for our swarm.
We don't want to bank too much on Panacea though. She's technically part of a villain group at the moment, which would make any open collaboration with her a bit awkward. Sure, the Undersiders will likely switch over to being Rogues instead of outright villains, but that hasn't happened YET. There are also her mental issues to take into consideration, and we want to seriously avoid any hint of wanting her specifically for her powers, since that would hit too close to her being treated as a healbot more than a person for years.
Not a BAD idea exactly, but we need to figure out essence based weapons first for that to work. Let's get more tinkering and prototyping under our belt before we start pushing for this. We have a few months to prepare for the next Endbringer, but only a few weeks to get ready for the S9.
Only one for teacup ninja watch?Slamu said:
.IronSun.
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The advantage to expendable munitions is that they can be mass produced quickly and cheaply. Set up some good breeding stock for the bug component, spend some time upgrading our workshop and set up some dedicated manufacturing for the mechanical and we're golden. The only bottleneck would be the actual assembly, and with some workshop drones we can spend some free time spamming them like nobody's business.Alratan said:
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We'd also be able to tinker while we're not even IN our workshop. Hooray for multitasking.Slamu said:
That's the glory of the insect drone plan, it doesn't involve IEU at all. It's all purely down to the SoPA multitasking.landcollector said:
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Manufacturing then, if I remember correctly once we have a tinker build something we can absorb it and replicate it at will with the proper materials and tools. We're also a decent mechanic and designer in our own right.Chandra Magic said: