Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 5: Eye Eyes Eyes Eyeing Eye Eyeing Eyes

BobTheNinja said:
So wait, Gromweld modified the original, infeasible stunt to something workable? Just want to be sure.

Sorry I didn't catch on about that earlier. Kinda bandwagoned it without giving it much additional thought. :(
Eh, don't worry too much about it. I noticed the observation Khaos made pretty late too and wrote that stunt exactly one minute before the voting was closed.
 
Gromweld said:
Correct. My intent was for Taylor to realize that Behemoth was challenging Taylor by targeting shelters, especially when he deliberately moved quickly against shelters she tried to warn. If this was not communicated by the writing, then I will try to be more clear in the future.
Good ways of communicating this in the future would be to use Taylor's thoughts, her incredible perception allowing her to intuit that the Endbringer is taunting her, its casual deliberateness saying, "These people you were trying to save? They're dead now, because of you. Try and stop me if you dare, coward."

Or something along similar lines but not handled so clumsily. But the thing is, Taylor still wouldn't have to try and punch Behemoth. Virtues are not so narrow as to require specific responses in reaction to whatever situation triggered the virtue in the first place.

To extend upon my Invincible Sword Princess example, a swordsman challenging her to a duel does not mandate that she respond to the provocation with her daiklave. If she chooses to thrash her opponent with a pair of chopsticks that's a perfectly valid response ("I will not sully my blade with the blood of such an unworthy opponent..."), she may not even have to respond at all if she believes the opponent too far beneath her. Valor, among other things, represents a persons pride as a warrior. If a swordsman were to challenge the worlds greatest sniper ("stop hiding and face me you coward!"), do you think that the sniper will suddenly abandon his hiding place and face the swordsman with his knife? No, the sniper would just put a bullet through the idiots skull because the snipers Valor is a reflection of the snipers pride in his skills.

What's happening is that you're combining the components of Behemoth's challenge into a single issue and applying it to both virtues when you should be taking those components and having the virtues address them on a case by case basis.

Behemoth's challenge, in a nutshell, is, "Face me (valor, challenge) or these people will die (compassion, prevent suffering of innocents)."
-Valor requires that she respond to the first half. Since Taylor has already resigned herself to not being able to damage Behemoth, an acceptable if bare minimum response would be for her to pop up at the edge of Behemoths range and convey via body language or verbal taunt, "Here I am, monster. Come and get me."
-Compassion requires that she respond to the second half. She must make an attempt to save those people's lives. If Taylor thought that the aforementioned taunting would work, then Compassion would be satisfied as well. However, if Taylor thought that taunts wouldn't work then she would probably want to escalate her response. Don't go overboard on this though - Taylor is only Compassion 3, she is nowhere near the extremes that would be required by Compassion 5 so martyrdom is out.

Like I've been saying, if you want to really rack up the Clarity during this fight using conflicting imperatives from Taylor's virtues Compassion vs Conviction is the way to do it. Although if you're going to be abusing the fact that Alchemicals can accrue Clarity much faster than Solars can gain limit (because Solars only gain limit for suppressing their primary virtue or when their limit condition pops up) you should probably go back to the RAW for how Alchemicals are able to reduce it.
 
Gromweld said:
Finishing up the giant mess of rolls now. Some music to set the tone until the Update.

:eek:
At least one of two things has then occurred:
1. We get seriously fucked up
2. A depressingly large number of capes experience death by lightning/radiation/spontaneous combustion/etc.

Either way, this update's going to be painful to read, isn't it?:(
 
Since he said setting the mood until the update, I was hopping maybe it won't turn out as bad as it sounds.

*sigh* I'm probably deluding myself. :(
 
A body count was completely inevitable. Half the capes dying is a normal battle against one of those monsters.

I'd say the Undersiders are probably still alive. With the sirens and Tattletale they probably had enough time to book it on those giant bio mech dogs of theirs. What we should really be worried about are the Wards dying seeing as we know they'll be in combat.

Thank god Taylor's conviction four, otherwise she would lose it from all this.
 
Coil should have already known about the attack, since his precog is second only to the Simurgh's and arguably Dianah's, so he probably has already moved his most important assets away from the Bay. The Undersiders and Danny are more than likely included, so they're probably fine.

Incidentally Coil is screwed beyond belief should his incredible precog power ever be discovered. No one would take kindly to a guy who can predict Endbringers and did nothing to warn anyone. Everyone will want him alive of course, but what'll be done to him to be assure he doesn't betray them probably won't be too humane.
 
Zefferen said:
Coil should have already known about the attack, since his precog is second only to the Simurgh's and arguably Dianah's, so he probably has already moved his most important assets away from the Bay. The Undersiders and Danny are more than likely included, so they're probably fine.

Incidentally Coil is screwed beyond belief should his incredible precog power ever be discovered. No one would take kindly toa guy who can predict Endbringers and did nothing to warn anyone.
Coil's power works in real time. It isn't so much predicting the future as much as it is choosing option A or B. So no he didn't know ahead of time that the Endbringer attacked.
 
Harish said:
Coil's power works in real time. It isn't so much predicting the future as much as it is choosing option A or B. So no he didn't know ahead of time that the Endbringer attacked.
The jailbroken version of Coil's power does work though. Except our totemic anima shut it down.
 
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