Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 14: Newborn Number Needs Nurturing, Nine Newcomers Near

WoG from 2-3 months ago gave BB's actual location as replacing Portsmouth, New Hampshire - not anywhere in southern New England like we thought. This would obliterate most of the aftermath arc and the entire first half of the road trip, so I suggest you ignore it.
...what? How is that "East-NorthEast" for the Protectorate? The only way that works is if they count the the snow-locked parts of Newfoundland as part of the 'East Coast'. That also doesn't fit the "two hours to New York, one hour to Boston" estimation given in the story? NY is a 4.5-hour drive from there, and getting a plane to NY would take just as long. And the map he gave doesn't fit with that area at all - there are too many islands for that area to be as clear as the map shows. Not to mention that the population is only 20k, so you'd have to make it...

... whatever. And now that I'm tossing that out, I'm starting to think it's not worth changing the population. The 350k figure is mentioned canonically ONCE, and it still feels far out from left field; 350k for a New England city is BIG.

I've been going over all the scenes and while it's not a crazy amount of work to fix it doesn't seem like it really... adds anything. Definitely would have been nice to know at the start, and I would have framed the entire fight differently with a population of 350k at risk, but as it stands now... I think my time is better spent writing new stuff.

Thoughts?
 
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Honestly, even if you decided half of BB was populated by smurfs I wouldn't care. Your quest is that awesome.
 
Re posted from the discussion thread.
My conclusion..., ignore Brockton Bay, taylors not there anymore except for her turn-people-into-robots-portal-i-forget-the-name-of.

WoG from 2-3 months ago gave BB's actual location as replacing Portsmouth, New Hampshire - not anywhere in southern New England like we thought. This would obliterate most of the aftermath arc and the entire first half of the road trip, so I suggest you ignore it.

Ok... so what the fuck.
How does this

Edit: a better pic of the city.

come anywhere close to this?


Seriously wildbow... WTF! You couldnt give us this info..... a year ago!!!!!

OK... mini rant over and onto the question.

When considering Brockton Bay, in a fic. Should i/you/we take into the accountop the WoG... cuz frankly that's a lot of new playground a character could stomp around in... or should i/you/we ignore this, I'm curious, its really bugging me.

Edit: go take a look at some Google maps of portsmouth, seriously, I can not understand how he got brockton bay from portsmouth. .. sigh.
 
All good points (and others have brought up the surface area bit). Thankfully, by making BB physically larger it actually makes it easier to scale down the civilian casualty percentages - more people are outside the 'You Now A Crater' blast zone, so the rescue efforts afterwards manages to save significantly more shelters. Looking at a death toll of ~100k for BB, ~10k for the counties outside.

This also means the refugee camp outside Providence is host to ~200k people, so I'll need to tweak that a bit to emphasize the madness there. Definitely need to have a bunch more PRT-affiliated capes running security than just MM and Armsy, though... hmm, maybe a good job for New Wave (what's left of them).
Looks more reasonable.
A 100k deathtoll is still bad, but when you compare the 800k death toll from Benjy's visit to Mexico City, there is reason to celebrate.

We're going to see a LOT of displaced people up and down the East Coast.
Most of it in the Greater Boston Metropolitan Area,where Boston will take the brunt, but we will see thousands of displaced people coming into the Philly/Camden area, both from BB itself, and other counties whose economies were devastated by Benjy's tantrum.
This has implications for the social order; among other things, shelters, soup kitchens and the like are going to be stretched.
An influx of BB area refugees is likely to affect Weaver's choice of extracurriculars to sponsor.

It also means that it will be much easier for people like the Slaughterhouse 9 to move undetected in the aftermath, since I expect mass movement of refugees for at least the next year.
While coincidentally making it easier for them to predate travelling groups.

And explains why Dragon had trouble tracking the Undersiders earlier, and it makes it more reasonable that Taylor wouldn't be too worried about how her father evaded coming up on the radar.
Also would provide a neat way to account for New Wave.
350k still boggles my mind a bit, as that's a huge city for only having existed for ~30 years. I don't recall any canonical explanation for this, or did I miss that too? Has anyone pieced together a good backstory for this? Perhaps it became a major port area after New York got hit by Behemoth? Boston is more of a tourist trade port than industrial, so perhaps BB grew so quickly to accommodate the deluge of supplies from overseas during the New York reconstruction era.
I personally don't know of anywhere with that rate of growth.

If we were still operating in BB?
Looking at the extant infrastructure(Trainyard, Docks) and it's geographical neighborhood?
I would suggest that it was a beneficiary of the WW1, WW2 and early Cold War buildup, as part of Boston's outlying infrastructure.

Trainline hookup to Boston, docks to handle civilian and possibly light military sea traffic.
Remember, Boston was a major military shipyard through WW2 until the early 70s, when the navy closed the Chesapeake Yards.
BB could have handled some of the requirements of the civilian shipping industry, to take pressure off Boston's docks and yards.

All that would be necessary is to tweak the number of years since it blew up by a factor of 3, from 30 to 90.
Before that? It was a modest fishing community.
 
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...what? How is that "East-NorthEast" for the Protectorate? The only way that works is if they count the the snow-locked parts of Newfoundland as part of the 'East Coast'. That also doesn't fit the "two hours to New York, one hour to Boston" estimation given in the story? NY is a 4.5-hour drive from there, and getting a plane to NY would take just as long. And the map he gave doesn't fit with that area at all - there are too many islands for that area to be as clear as the map shows. Not to mention that the population is only 20k, so you'd have to make it...

I'm increasingly convinced that WB is trolling.
 
I don't see how it's terribly important for this quest. We've moved past Brockton Bay and trying to make everything work with all the bits of WoG that are revealed over time doesn't make much sense.
 
The 350k population makes more sense than the old one; Lung is too egotistical to have chosen a really small town as his base of operations.
Ditto Kaiser.
Nor would a population of 50k have produced enough economic activity to have supported the flourishing criminal underworld BB used to have..

Significant corporations like Medhall Pharmaceuticals and Fortress Construction would not have been headquartered in a place without a population large enough to supply the skilled workers necessary.
And fairly significant abandoned infrastructure like the Docks and Trainyards belong to a larger city than
Plus the fact that Annette was a college professor IIRC, which is not something you generally find in a 50k town.
Arguably, the city should be a little larger, if still smaller than Boston; it is part of the Greater Boston Metropolitan Area if it's only an hour by car.

Besides, the ripple effects of a large displaced population up and down the East Coast holds the promise of signifcant plot hooks for the story.
And it doesn't require much of a change to execute.

Just ignore the putative Portsmouth location; Earth Bet is an alternate Earth, so not all it's sociopolitical features will map perfectly to our own.
Basically, think of BB as Earth Bet's Bludhaven; no real life analogue.
 
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Plus the fact that Annette was a college professor IIRC, which is not something you generally find in a 50k town.
I prefer the 350k number, but the US has more universities in smaller towns than you think. Ferris State University, in my area, has 14k students but the city it's in only has around 11k residents. The same goes for its rival Grand Valley State, which has 25k students in a city of ~18k. Michigan Tech, waaaaaaaay to the north, has 7k students in a city of barely 8k. I'm aware that I'm ignoring their suburbs and exurbs, but Wildbow never mentioned any suburbs around BB so that's only fair.
 
I prefer the 350k number, but the US has more universities in smaller towns than you think. Ferris State University, in my area, has 14k students but the city it's in only has around 11k residents. The same goes for its rival Grand Valley State, which has 25k students in a city of ~18k. Michigan Tech, waaaaaaaay to the north, has 7k students in a city of barely 8k. I'm aware that I'm ignoring their suburbs and exurbs, but Wildbow never mentioned any suburbs around BB so that's only fair.
But that's the thing.
University towns are noted to be university towns; they are central parts of everything from the local economy to the nightlife.
The fact that BB's underworld never even tangentially touched on college students as a market suggests that we aren't dealing with one.

I mean, why would the Merchants go for high school kids if there was a significant(by percentage) population of college students to market to?

And frankly, a situation where tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of people are on the move on the East Coast?
Lends itself to plot hooks.
Everything from destabilising Boston, and possibly driving Accord up the wall, to providing cover for hostile groups to move, to new trigger events, to whole new power players.
It even gives an IC reason for financial players to back Dragon's scheme to clean up Camden, if people start moving into the area.
The University of Texas has its medical school in Galveston, which is probably the city's largest employer at this point. Texas A&M also has a branch specializing in studying the ocean.
Note that Galveston County is ~300k.
 
There's also the smaller technical colleges. The one where I live has campuses in two towns (~5000 students total) that have a grand total of 35k people between them, the entire two counties they're in manage a whole 77k.

As a bonus, a tech company is headquartered in one of the towns, and a fair number of manufacturing concerns in both towns and the surrounding area.
 
Maybe this is a cultural bias since I always lived in the Greater Toronto Area, BB having as population of 350,000 is reasonable. Brampton is 1 hour away from downtown Toronto, 123 sq mile and has a population of 520,000. It also has a reputation of the only people who want to visit are the one who has friends living there. Unlike Mississauga where most people want to live and have fun in. Its also about 1 hour away, 112 sq mile and has a population of 710,000 people.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_Area
 
Maybe this is a cultural bias since I always lived in the Greater Toronto Area, BB having as population of 350,000 is reasonable. Brampton is 1 hour away from downtown Toronto, 123 sq mile and has a population of 520,000. It also has a reputation of the only people who want to visit are the one who has friends living there. Unlike Mississauga where most people want to live and have fun in. Its also about 1 hour away, 112 sq mile and has a population of 710,000 people.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_Area
Toronto is also, what, 5% of the population of Canada? Or is it more?
 
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