He doesn't need to. This new metagene is an unholy combination of Worms Triggers allowing for powers to be gained during a time of extreme stress and trauma, and MHA's Quirks which activate after some time period. Give it a decade and I doubt there will be a single unpowered human on Earth.
Administrative Mishap [Supergirl/Worm]
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Why bother? Humans torture each other plenty.
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- Over the hill and far away
I know it's probably just the DC universe and all, but the amount of resources required for this nonsense plot is greater than any number of nations- indeed probably greater than the entire planet- could pull off. At that point you rule the world anyway so why bother?
Like, d'you get the amount of time and resources and land needed for all these missile silos and space programs and so on and so forth? This is a combined technological and infrastructure investment that is comparable to the Cold War on all sides, plus more spies and infiltrators to account for everything.
Like… just… no.
And for gods sake they already have spacecraft anyway! If all he needed was one success he could have done it in an afternoon! Just one and done and go home for tea the next day!
I only needed one! Then why spend however many years and the entire global economy on fucking missile silos? Why infiltrate the weather scientists to steal forty balloons- that's as many as four tens and that's terrible- when he could literally have BOUGHT ONE FROM A CATALOG and released his payload that way?
He can FLY HIS OWN ASS INTO THE SKY CARRYING IT IN A LUNCHBOX if he wants!
Only needed one!
Augh!
Like, d'you get the amount of time and resources and land needed for all these missile silos and space programs and so on and so forth? This is a combined technological and infrastructure investment that is comparable to the Cold War on all sides, plus more spies and infiltrators to account for everything.
Like… just… no.
And for gods sake they already have spacecraft anyway! If all he needed was one success he could have done it in an afternoon! Just one and done and go home for tea the next day!
I only needed one! Then why spend however many years and the entire global economy on fucking missile silos? Why infiltrate the weather scientists to steal forty balloons- that's as many as four tens and that's terrible- when he could literally have BOUGHT ONE FROM A CATALOG and released his payload that way?
He can FLY HIS OWN ASS INTO THE SKY CARRYING IT IN A LUNCHBOX if he wants!
Only needed one!
Augh!
Yes, why waste all of Cadmus' resources, if he was planning to cut them loose and ensure that members like Lillian Luthor wound up back in jail where she belonged? Hmm…
Jax-Ur was fighting a war on two fronts there, while trying to make it look like there was only one
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That just shifts it to "what's the point for Cadmus" when they already control the world. Like, understand, there were 145 space launches in all of the world in 2021.
Cadmus has more resources than actual earth.
To pull this off.
They need the global economy and infrastructure.
At that point why even bother scheming when they run the world?
They could just declare global rebranding day and rename all the companies they control around the world "A proud subsidiary of Cadmus incorporated"
Cadmus has more resources than actual earth.
To pull this off.
They need the global economy and infrastructure.
At that point why even bother scheming when they run the world?
They could just declare global rebranding day and rename all the companies they control around the world "A proud subsidiary of Cadmus incorporated"
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If a mother box can block administrator, then that's it.
We're not talking about a restricted version that can only control a handful of bugs on one portion of the planet, but a pissed off fully involved administrator shard that is directly using valuable resources and a wasteful manner to directly attack a single individual in one spot. Taylor didn't have this much power even when her shard was fusing with her against Scion since even back then it had some limits to it.
Some random piece of hardware smaller than a guy's brain was more powerful than a society ending world devastating ultimate reality controlling monster of crystal. I'm not only calling bullshit, I'm officially declaring that administrator is now so weak that she shouldn't even be considered that much of a threat compared to what I considered her originally to be. That same amount of raw power pushed to telekinesis could have ripped his limbs off or disconnected his skull! Try keeping your brain calm and collected when it's slowly dying asshole!
Oh she's up there with Superman, but that piece of tiny junk better be magically reinforced, conceptually enhanced, imbued with the power of an apocalypse God, and tinker tech... Or it is flat out Fiat 'you lose' shit.
I'm pretty sure she could have controlled every single human on earth for 5 minutes. She has enough raw power to completely rip holes in time and space without that much effort or cost... Just knowing the location of every single person you can't control would have been useful enough to map out all the people that are involved with this bullshit.
I'm trying not to be angry because I'm pretty sure that this is a side effect of the universe they're in, where villains always seem to somehow bullshit their way to life and survive things the more assholishness they act.
God that chemical is going to cause baby death, pregnancy complications, probably tip anyone over the edge if they were close to death, massively mutate the environment, piss off the red and the clear and the green if those properly exist, I'm sure some of the local deities are angry, and I'm not sure if this stuff is infectious because if it is there's enough cross-dimensional travel that this could go multiversal?
We're not talking about a restricted version that can only control a handful of bugs on one portion of the planet, but a pissed off fully involved administrator shard that is directly using valuable resources and a wasteful manner to directly attack a single individual in one spot. Taylor didn't have this much power even when her shard was fusing with her against Scion since even back then it had some limits to it.
Some random piece of hardware smaller than a guy's brain was more powerful than a society ending world devastating ultimate reality controlling monster of crystal. I'm not only calling bullshit, I'm officially declaring that administrator is now so weak that she shouldn't even be considered that much of a threat compared to what I considered her originally to be. That same amount of raw power pushed to telekinesis could have ripped his limbs off or disconnected his skull! Try keeping your brain calm and collected when it's slowly dying asshole!
Oh she's up there with Superman, but that piece of tiny junk better be magically reinforced, conceptually enhanced, imbued with the power of an apocalypse God, and tinker tech... Or it is flat out Fiat 'you lose' shit.
I'm pretty sure she could have controlled every single human on earth for 5 minutes. She has enough raw power to completely rip holes in time and space without that much effort or cost... Just knowing the location of every single person you can't control would have been useful enough to map out all the people that are involved with this bullshit.
I'm trying not to be angry because I'm pretty sure that this is a side effect of the universe they're in, where villains always seem to somehow bullshit their way to life and survive things the more assholishness they act.
God that chemical is going to cause baby death, pregnancy complications, probably tip anyone over the edge if they were close to death, massively mutate the environment, piss off the red and the clear and the green if those properly exist, I'm sure some of the local deities are angry, and I'm not sure if this stuff is infectious because if it is there's enough cross-dimensional travel that this could go multiversal?
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Eh this is dc, private billionaires have launch capacity in their backyard, there is an entire alien trafficking network on earth of illegal space launches, I think space capable rockets are just unfathomably cheaper here than in our world.
That said, can't he just fly? Why didn't he release the metagene virus a week prior to this over Shanghai air space?
Did he just want to force the deo to roll up Cadmus?
Ps, mother box tech is the high end of dc bullshit tech, it's literally conceptual magic that has tech like characteristics. Jax ur having one indicates Cadmus is getting backing from darkseid
That said, can't he just fly? Why didn't he release the metagene virus a week prior to this over Shanghai air space?
Did he just want to force the deo to roll up Cadmus?
Ps, mother box tech is the high end of dc bullshit tech, it's literally conceptual magic that has tech like characteristics. Jax ur having one indicates Cadmus is getting backing from darkseid
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I think you're not taking account of Cadmus having unknown amounts of advanced alien construction technology. It doesn't necessarily follow from them having more construction output in a specific area than the world that they have more total resources than the world.
Like, suppose Cadmus has an alien fabricator (or similar machine) sitting around somewhere that can cheaply and efficiently construct missiles from raw materials. However, they only have one of it and don't know how to build another one. In that case, they can make as many missiles as they like for a trivial cost, but they can't really be said to have more total resources than the world does; they can just apply them much more efficiently. (Actually, Cadmus having an alien fabricator tucked away somewhere would explain a lot. This is now my headcanon for how they have so much stuff.)
That said, I agree that the castle doesn't make sense. I can buy that Cadmus could build it, because alien technology could be involved; I have more difficulty buying that they could keep it secret. As you said, it should be visible on satellite photos, if nothing else. I suppose it could have been under a cloaking field or something?
We know from this:
that the metagene virus is capable of self-propagation, or at least that Riot believed it to be capable of that. A single release in one part of the world would infect that part, and would then spread to the rest, but that spread would take time; time in which countermeasures could be enacted and in which the virus could mutate and start doing something else. If you distribute the virus so widely that everyone is immediately infected by the initial release, it has far less time to mutate. (This assumes, of course, that the virus can't reinfect people it's already infected, which is ... honestly a pretty dubious assumption, but whatever.)
However, that still doesn't explain why Cadmus didn't just buy a bunch of weather balloons and launch the virus that way. It seems like it would have been much cheaper and also considerably less likely to be detected.
Alobomb
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I mean based on his monologue, Jax-Ur is sorta... well. Saying 'dramatic' sounds reductive considering the scope, but that's roughly the idea that comes to mind. Not only does spreading the launches so far and wide, in such a way that distinctly compartmentalizes potential leaks and insulates him from compromised assets let him have a functionally guaranteed win, it also gives him an overpoweringly total win. Like Addy and the DEO got absolute bodied here, no question about it. And despite his claimed issues with the "Superior and Lesser" relationship of Kryptonian imperialism (which were more issues he had with it structurally than morally), he still clearly feels that underlying haughtiness towards the other (which Addy notes in his lack of reaction to his drones fighting his mind controlled henches) that drives him to attempt to dominate them. He can't just win, he has to win absolutely and unquestionably.
To be fair to the DEO, Cadmus was a fucked situation. A domestic terrorist organization that was functionally a former government agency, with all the contacts and resources that implies, functionally being shadow-run by a superintelligent alien? Like, the DEO has trouble just handling local criminal elements. They gave a good showing but they were in no way equipped to deal with something on this scale.
Anyway, great chapter, the Zastro CEO complaining on Twitter was a very funny moment, and the global paradigm shift this will cause is just. Wild to think about. God, poor Addy. This is the exact kinda thing that she's going to viscerally self-loathe for """letting""" happen. Jax-Ur really pushed like all of her buttons. Someone get this shard her Kara.
To be fair to the DEO, Cadmus was a fucked situation. A domestic terrorist organization that was functionally a former government agency, with all the contacts and resources that implies, functionally being shadow-run by a superintelligent alien? Like, the DEO has trouble just handling local criminal elements. They gave a good showing but they were in no way equipped to deal with something on this scale.
Anyway, great chapter, the Zastro CEO complaining on Twitter was a very funny moment, and the global paradigm shift this will cause is just. Wild to think about. God, poor Addy. This is the exact kinda thing that she's going to viscerally self-loathe for """letting""" happen. Jax-Ur really pushed like all of her buttons. Someone get this shard her Kara.
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A Motherbox is the same technology that Darkseid uses to assist himself and boost his powers.
Again, to reword: a Motherbox is technology powerful enough that a Scion-tier entity uses it as an appreciable, non-negligible, power boost.
It's basically "what if a Shard could fit in your pocket?" Except, the (unrestricted) shard in question comes from Eidolon, Glaestig Uaine, or Butcher, complete with all sub-shards. It's Doormaker, Clairvoyant, Legend, Alexandri, and Khepri all rolled into one. Created by a species whose entire "thing" is that they can directly interface with aspects of the Source, and rewrite or modify the fabric of reality as it falls into their domain.
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This is a very comic book villain thing.
Unfortunately it is also the kind of comic book villain thing i generally dislike.
Unnecessarily complicated to the point of implausibility just so the villain can be built up as serious threat.
Also, where the fuck did this guy get a motherbox? How did this guy get a motherbox?
That said, Jax Ur seems like the kind of asshole who would take the opportunity to make the most complicated plot possible just so they can verbally masturbate in public over their own superriority.
So at least it is in character.
We'll see where this goes.
Unfortunately it is also the kind of comic book villain thing i generally dislike.
Unnecessarily complicated to the point of implausibility just so the villain can be built up as serious threat.
Also, where the fuck did this guy get a motherbox? How did this guy get a motherbox?
That said, Jax Ur seems like the kind of asshole who would take the opportunity to make the most complicated plot possible just so they can verbally masturbate in public over their own superriority.
So at least it is in character.
We'll see where this goes.
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Yeah, I get that now.
But when the story started I thought the ability to control all life of all species on a single planet was a big deal! I kept getting the impression that the administrator was top tier, boss level awesome... Only restrained due to having heavy energy crisis concerns, most of her core shut down, and her Avatar needing to adjust to a new body from an alien planet.
But after she had her energy problem mostly fixed with an exponentially increasing amount of power generation possible, and she started unlocking her abilities, and she was confirmed by most people including a Green lantern guy to be astonishingly powerful... I just assumed she'd be a bigger deal when she went all out other than 'oh I noticed it! that's pretty impressive' level of response.
Who the fuck gave this guy access to the power of a god level machine the size of a peanut or whatever the fuck this thing is, and then was perfectly fine installing it for him even though it made him basically mentally God when it came to resisting all telepaths and mental control!? If there's a bunch of these why don't everyone in the bad guys organization use them!? If there isn't a bunch of these why did this asshole get one!?
It's like finding out that your dad isn't actually all powerful but can get yelled at by some random asshole in a car, and that he's just as fallible as you are or other people. In my head I built up this big thing where Supergirl combined with the administrator shard would be beyond op, not merely interesting to the other actual powerful things that exist there.
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I wouldn't call Darkseid Scion-tier… okay, to reiterate, DC is bullshit, it has no sense of scale, physics, decency, economy, biology, and a bunch of other things, but Darkseid is basically a God. Capital "G" one. He is essentially the avatar of a malevolent universe. He's less of a supervillain and more of a lovecraftian eldritch monstrosity on par with Azathoth, but aware and hateful.
He's the legacy of the Silver Age of comics where the comic writers gave even less shit about all those things I listed above, where Superman could travel through time and reach the edge of the universe before lunchtime. That the current incarnation of heroes still manage to defeat him is more of author fiat working in their favor than anything remotely realistic.
This guy considers motherboxes to be useful tech, because yes, they are that bullshit. On this question, I personally find it more believable that it could manage to shield JarJar's mind from Addy than he apparently somehow managed to procure one and modify it to his needs. Rather, the entire section where he says they are on open intergalactic market causes skepticism rise in my mind. What do they trade them for? Garden worlds? Solar systems? The Darkseid-chan's signed pin-up posters, the cursed items of eldritch lore, the possession of which is punishable by death through disintegration in all known civilized space?
All in all, I'm not surprised that Addy lost, for many reasons ranging from narrative to factual, I am just somewhat disappointed her nemesis has to be this megalomaniac chuuni wasting resources on grand sweeping gestures and monologuing to the audience at the slightest provocation.
He's the legacy of the Silver Age of comics where the comic writers gave even less shit about all those things I listed above, where Superman could travel through time and reach the edge of the universe before lunchtime. That the current incarnation of heroes still manage to defeat him is more of author fiat working in their favor than anything remotely realistic.
This guy considers motherboxes to be useful tech, because yes, they are that bullshit. On this question, I personally find it more believable that it could manage to shield JarJar's mind from Addy than he apparently somehow managed to procure one and modify it to his needs. Rather, the entire section where he says they are on open intergalactic market causes skepticism rise in my mind. What do they trade them for? Garden worlds? Solar systems? The Darkseid-chan's signed pin-up posters, the cursed items of eldritch lore, the possession of which is punishable by death through disintegration in all known civilized space?
All in all, I'm not surprised that Addy lost, for many reasons ranging from narrative to factual, I am just somewhat disappointed her nemesis has to be this megalomaniac chuuni wasting resources on grand sweeping gestures and monologuing to the audience at the slightest provocation.
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I'm going to agree with some other here in that, my suspension of disbelief was shaken not a Mother Box stopping Addy but that not only are they a know trade item but Jax-Jax Binks over here created something close enough with some elbow grease, chewing gum and a paper clip on a back water planet like Earth.
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To answer all of you:
He did not. I specifically wrote that he has a device he created to replicate an already-existing and manufactured device which is itself based off of a motherbox. What this more critically means here is that someone let a scientist start prying open a motherbox to see what was inside (and didn't somehow collapse the universe). Jax-Ur doesn't have a motherbox in his head, he has something meant to give you shielding that not even Oans can reasonably saw through.
He did not. I specifically wrote that he has a device he created to replicate an already-existing and manufactured device which is itself based off of a motherbox. What this more critically means here is that someone let a scientist start prying open a motherbox to see what was inside (and didn't somehow collapse the universe). Jax-Ur doesn't have a motherbox in his head, he has something meant to give you shielding that not even Oans can reasonably saw through.
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Since addy is half human is she also getting the meta gene?
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Totally a Fire Ferret.
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And thus Jax-Ur joins David Xanatos in the role of Magnificent Bastard.
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Or…. It just brings about the full normal DC Earth.
They aren't trade items. Items that use tech based on them to achieve a single specific effect are. So basically the motherbox is a supercomputer, and he's got an iPod from the same manufacturer. It does one function out of the infinite number of functions that the mother box does.
On top of this, not only is he a comic book mad scientist, he's also pretty clear that 1. He's not keeping her out by force, but by constantly changing encryption keys, and 2. That if she really focused on it she'd get through, he just doesn't intend on giving her the opportunity to do so.
It occurs to me that, while this line suggests that the heroes have irreversibly lost, there exist several methods that might still reverse the damage:
- If it's possible to develop a virus that inserts a semi-dormant metagene into all humans, it should be possible - and, indeed, easier - to develop a virus that deletes or silences it. This would need to be done quickly - if it takes too long, then either civilisation has already collapsed or it would become clear that it isn't going to - but if Jax-Ur could be located and captured, his knowledge combined with enough advanced alien technology might be sufficient.
- A possible failure mode of this strategy is if the metagene actively maintains itself in and spreads through the bodies of its hosts, which would also make it considerably easier to insert using a virus.
- Time travel is accessible via the Flash, other speedsters, and the Legends of Tomorrow. While convincing any of them to actually do it might be quite difficult, and the consequences of doing so could be dire, an event of this magnitude that happened this recently might be considered to be worth the risk.
- Addy's core releases large quantities of exotic radiation which causes unknown amounts of harm to biological structures. It is not completely implausible that careful use of breaches could inactivate much of the virus while it remains kilometres above the ground, without irreparably damaging surface life. It's highly unlikely that such a strategy would actually work, let alone work without inflicting more damage than the virus would have done, but if Addy were capable of opening thousands of breaches at a time it might be worth an attempt; I would expect it to take hours at minimum for the virus to reach the ground, assuming it was aerosolized from the missile and not released in containers.
- In the same vein, but more plausibly, it might be possible to enact quarantine across the planet before the virus reaches ground. This would only be a delaying action, unless the virus has a much shorter half-life than I would expect from something that can be deployed from missiles high in the troposphere, but it might make the difference in trying to enact strategy 1.
- Again in the same vein, if the planetary forcefield is sufficiently complete and flexible in operation, raising it so that it sits a kilometre above the ground might act as a method to delay the virus reaching ground. Obviously this is not a sustainable long-term strategy - I don't know what the consequences of cutting off atmospheric circulation like that would be, but I can't imagine they would be good - but it might hold back the virus for hours, maybe even a day, perhaps enough time - with DC superscience - to enact strategy 1.
6. Sterilize the planet. Earth-38 is, ultimately, only one of at least 52 Earths, possibly far more. If the metagene virus is continually shed by those infected, which isn't implausible, then there is enough dimensional travel that it is a near-certainty that the virus would eventually spread to other Earths. If the metagene virus were guaranteed to cause global collapse of civilisation (which I don't think it is, but we just don't know enough about metahumans to be sure) then I think it would be at least worth considering for Addy whether the best strategy would be to eradicate all life on Earth-38, including the metagene virus, Jax-Ur, and Cadmus. We know it's within her capabilities to do that.
This strategy would work particularly well in combination with strategy 2, time travel. I'm not clear on the extent to which DC time travel acts cross-dimensionally, but if it doesn't, then it would be an entirely reasonable move to sterilize Earth-38 and subsequently have the Flash or the Legends of Tomorrow travel back in time to stop the metagene virus release, thereby also undoing the sterilization. As a bonus, they might be more likely to agree if doing so would definitely resurrect seven billion people, rather than preventing the possible future collapse of civilization.
I doubt any of these are particularly likely to be used, but I think it's at least interesting to consider.
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I gotta say, Jax-Ur's plan feels very underpants gnomes to me. As I understand it, his plan is basically:
1. Spread fear, panic, and distrust of established governments across the planet, priming civilization for collapse ahead of the Daxamite invasion.
2. Infect the world with a metagene plague, triggering said collapse and making it superpowered right before the Daxamites show up.
3. ???
4. Earth is now the center of a galactic empire that exceeds even Imperial Krypton.
I'm sure there's parts of his plan that he's not sharing yet, but it still feels like a bit of a leap to take things from "Mad Max but with superpowers just before an alien invasion" to "the spiritual successor to Imperial Krypton."
Of course, that's a very believable kind of mistake for Jax-Ur to make; it's really common for people who are very accomplished and knowledgeable in one field (particularly STEM stuff) to think that makes them equally talented and knowledgeable at everything else. So I can easily see Jax-Ur thinking that because he's capable of enacting this plot to give the whole world superpowers he's also right about what the consequences of his plot will be, when in reality he has no idea what's about to happen. It'd be the kind of oversight that really fits with his mad scientist supervillain vibe too.
1. Spread fear, panic, and distrust of established governments across the planet, priming civilization for collapse ahead of the Daxamite invasion.
2. Infect the world with a metagene plague, triggering said collapse and making it superpowered right before the Daxamites show up.
3. ???
4. Earth is now the center of a galactic empire that exceeds even Imperial Krypton.
I'm sure there's parts of his plan that he's not sharing yet, but it still feels like a bit of a leap to take things from "Mad Max but with superpowers just before an alien invasion" to "the spiritual successor to Imperial Krypton."
Of course, that's a very believable kind of mistake for Jax-Ur to make; it's really common for people who are very accomplished and knowledgeable in one field (particularly STEM stuff) to think that makes them equally talented and knowledgeable at everything else. So I can easily see Jax-Ur thinking that because he's capable of enacting this plot to give the whole world superpowers he's also right about what the consequences of his plot will be, when in reality he has no idea what's about to happen. It'd be the kind of oversight that really fits with his mad scientist supervillain vibe too.
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Welcome to the future indeed. I legitimately have no idea where this is going, but the loss here is going to be difficult to recover from.
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The problem I see with the shielding device is, well… sure Addy couldn't break through it before it rencrypted everything.
That is completely irrelevant.
She could have rendered him brain dead in a microsecond. Because that thing? It doesn't matter how good the encryption is. You don't need to break encryption to destroy what is encrypted. Not at all. So just… tear through the shielding layer and then just… tear all the data apart. Don't try to control it or understand it. Just savage it.
That is completely irrelevant.
She could have rendered him brain dead in a microsecond. Because that thing? It doesn't matter how good the encryption is. You don't need to break encryption to destroy what is encrypted. Not at all. So just… tear through the shielding layer and then just… tear all the data apart. Don't try to control it or understand it. Just savage it.
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I see that Jax-Ur has some passing familiarity with the Evil Overlord list...
"I will not explain the full scope or details of my plan until it has already been executed and therefore cannot be stopped."
I don't remember which item that is/was, but Adrien Veidt (Ozymandius) does the same thing in The Watchmen.
"I will not explain the full scope or details of my plan until it has already been executed and therefore cannot be stopped."
I don't remember which item that is/was, but Adrien Veidt (Ozymandius) does the same thing in The Watchmen.