Abyssal Quest (Kancolle) : No SV, you are the Water Demon
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Kicker
A perfectionist with an inferiority complex.
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- Malaysia
We can't have that happening, can we? *Diabolical laughter*
Kicker
A perfectionist with an inferiority complex.
- Location
- Malaysia
1. We're too far away for that.
2. You do know that the most we can do is bomb the coastal areas. Have you seen the size of the country?
3. Let's be honest here, moral reasons isn't something we're here for.
Shaithan
Re-class is happiest class
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- The worst part of Germany
I do wonder, where is the current death toll of the Abyssal war roughly at? My estimation would be at least triple digit millions. After all, this is, for those squishy humans, an unprecedented catastrophe.
For TGG we came up with a figure of at the very least 1 billion dead from the war and everything it brought with it. By the way, that figure might see a correction to more than 2 billion (of ~2030s ~9billion)
I think there's upward of 70% of the total chinese population in the eastern coastal part of the country. Massive bombing campaigns there will reduce the Dragon to a dragonewt. The strip of land where many people live is mostly within range of our aircraft. Flight from there would lead into either mountainous or steppe terrains, both not suited to take an influx of dozens of millions of people.
Anyway, the powers we really need to keep an eye out for is the US, followed by Japan, Britain (and the Commonwealth) and lastly France, Germany and Italy.
For TGG we came up with a figure of at the very least 1 billion dead from the war and everything it brought with it. By the way, that figure might see a correction to more than 2 billion (of ~2030s ~9billion)
I think there's upward of 70% of the total chinese population in the eastern coastal part of the country. Massive bombing campaigns there will reduce the Dragon to a dragonewt. The strip of land where many people live is mostly within range of our aircraft. Flight from there would lead into either mountainous or steppe terrains, both not suited to take an influx of dozens of millions of people.
Anyway, the powers we really need to keep an eye out for is the US, followed by Japan, Britain (and the Commonwealth) and lastly France, Germany and Italy.
Kicker
A perfectionist with an inferiority complex.
- Location
- Malaysia
Noob question, what's TGG?
bdun140
I have ideas. Sometimes they're even good.
If I had to guess, I'd say The Greatest Generation.
Good question...
At the moment (after a bit more than a year at war) if we count only those killed as a direct results of abyssal actions (including collateral damages during the Humans counter-offensives), we're definitely above the two digits millions, but unlikely to be in the hundred of millions.
Part of the reason is the different goals and methods of the various leaders. Also, because even the most murderous among them won't launch gratuitous attack upon civilians targets (if there's a good strategical reason, or at least what they perceive as one, it's a different story, of course). And obviously, people didn't stay in those coastal regions at risk of massive attacks.
When they capture an area, there tends to not be a lot survivors apart from those that fled on time, though. But Abyssal prefer (understandably) not taking territory which can be attacked by land, so that limit the amount of people slaughtered this way.
Now if we count the humanitarian disaster...
Things are Bad. It's maybe too soon for a whole billion people to have died already, but it's only a matter of time until it reach that point.
Places like Indonesia, Oz, or the Philippines are incredibly fucked.
Shaithan
Re-class is happiest class
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- The worst part of Germany
^What he said
Well, there are a lot of small island nations in the Pacific and some in the Atlantic/Indian Ocean. Those are most likely almost completely wiped off the map. Maledives and such.
Oz might be a bit better off. Mind you, they most likely will have to resort to only home-grown food for the time being, but I'd think they'd manage. Fuel will likely be their biggest problem. I'm more concerned about NZ, I remember someone from NZ saying that in case of abyssal war, NZ might well face a famine.
Also, even if there weren't big assaults geared towards bombing whatever is in coastal regions, nations like India and China as well as anything in SE-Asia will have been hit incredibly hard and will have millions of refugees crushing whatever infrastructure there once was. Famines are extremely likely to begin, too. I would be surprised if Abyssals didn't take out at least some of the larger civilian ports and harbors, not just military ones.
And, well, looking at big harbor cities like Lagos (oil shipping from Nigeria), Mumbay (large breakers and generally a big harbor), Shanghai (one of China's biggest towns) getting destroyed there would be a crippling effect on these countries' economies. Suddenly their maritime trade grinds to a halt.
Maritime trade is basically THE way to trade, anything else is hard pressed to match the sheer volume of a single large freighter. Aircraft? 400 tons. Trains - some thousand tons. Reliant on an extensive railway network. Trucks - 40 or 60 tons. Large freighters - 100.000 tons at the lower end. To put it in easily understood pictures, you can load 4 fully-loaded Iowas and fully loaded Yamato and Musashi on the biggest freighter and still add Bismarck for a whooping 400.000 tons. Them being bulky basically the only thing that hinders you. If you find a way to stack them, you can put every single one of the 175 Fletcher-class destroyers on one ship. Without maritime trade, useful stuff like the kilotons of fertilizers you need no longer come your way. Without maritime trade, fuel can no longer be easily shipped to where it's needed. India and China need Oil, badly. Farming will suffer badly due to the lack of fertilizer, especially in countries that rely on them as they don't have that much arable land. And, well, export nations are boned, too.
tl;dr: The almost complete collaps of maritime trade would hit the world on a horrible scale. Unemployment, refugee crises, famines, diseases, economies crashing worse than 1929/2008, civil wars and so on. And that is without a single harbor getting attacked, only trade ships and warships getting sunk everywhere. If harbor bombings get added, the whole crisis will gain an order of magnitude, easily.
Stahor
BookWorm
- Location
- Russia, Moscow
Russia says "Hi!"
Shaithan
Re-class is happiest class
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- The worst part of Germany
Yeah, but pipelines don't construct themselves overnight, especially the long ones you'll need to reach India.
Also, Europe will be very, very happy to buy all the Oil Russia can deliver.
Stahor
BookWorm
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- Russia, Moscow
Turkmenistan–Afghanistan–Pakistan–India Pipeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well, there Norway oil platforms. If European fleet can protect them..
Shaithan
Re-class is happiest class
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- The worst part of Germany
Well, that pipeline definitely would need several more. We're talking about 1 pipeline pumping enough oil to satisfy the hunger of a country of 1,3 billion people in India alone. Still, it's a good starting point.
Norway's and England's oil platforms will sink in the opening stages, on that I'd bet good money. Most European fleets are rather small these days, the abyssals would easily make mincemeat out of them. And until shipgirls are a thing, those platforms are long sunk.
Yeah, but it isn't that much people. If you kill off everyone on every Pacific island east of Japan, excluding Oz, NZ and New Guinea, then you're under or barely reaching 10 millions dead. And you won't kill off everyone. There would be more or less effective evacuations going on (though the refugee might die later on from other causes).
Basically nothing
.I didn't mention NZ, but I was thinking about them when considering the totally screwed country. Especially since they don't have the advantage of a relatively safe sea and short trade routes (compared to say Japan, or the UK).
Well, the war look different depending on the theatre and the abyssals in charge there. Despite what it looks like, their resources are not infinite (and take time to replace), so while none will hesitate to cripple a strategic target such as a major harbour (civilian or military) if they get a good occasion, if it's defended enough they can expect massive casualties that could compromise some greater strategic aim, then it's simply not worth it.
Some are more aggressive, inflicting significant damage, but often taking large losses themselves. Others will be more careful, taking only a few islands well positioned to interdict the major ports (By the way, France is rather screwed since there are well positioned islands to interdict all their naval bases and also other military significant ports... I hope alternate-universe me wasn't at home) and otherwise maintaining an effective blockade at minimum cost.
When I say the casualties haven't reached the billion yet, it's because a good amount of those are still not finished in the "dying" part
.Depend on how much ground works the abyssals who attacked that area did beforehand. Though oil platforms would be unpractical to defend anyway, so if they weren't blown up in the opening stage, they probably are by now (or potentially captured).
Stahor
BookWorm
- Location
- Russia, Moscow
Depends on mindset of Abyssals, i say.
If they just want to kill people and sink everything afloat - then oil platforms will be relatively low-priority compared to population centres, major ports, etc.
If they sane enough to fight intelligent war, than oil platforms destroyed. Period.
Shaithan
Re-class is happiest class
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- The worst part of Germany
Yeah, I can see that. And honestly, it won't be pretty.When I say the casualties haven't reached the billion yet, it's because a good amount of those are still not finished in the "dying" part
Also, as I said. Aggressively hunting shipping is already a nightmare for the world, bombing ports, occupying islands is merely the icing on the cake.
Hell, if you look into the Med, there are lots of small islands there where Princesses can set up shop. Until there is a dedicated fleet to rout them all, it's going to be a very deadly water. Africans fleeing to Europe will either be stopped cold or they will try their luck over the Middle East. God damn, the more I think about it, the more the ensuing refugee crises horrify even me. Millions of desperate people trying to find safety or a livelilyhood. Most of them pretty much doomed to die. Catastrophe isn't a strong enough word.
Also, another world question, are the Suez and Panama canal still open?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Don't be silly, you can't have humans living miles away from the ocean, they'd dry up like shriveled figs! And where would they get all of the fuel they need? It's not like it just springs up out of the ground, and transporting that much would be prohibitively expensive, even with a humans much smaller size.
Kicker
A perfectionist with an inferiority complex.
- Location
- Malaysia
At least you have the possibility to get shipgirls. My place had/has 0 warships, I'm already dead from the abyssal attacck or will be dead during the refugee crisis.
Singapore is screwed. It's an island and located near one of the most important trading lanes in the world (70% of China's oil import pass near it). Heck, anyone near the the Straits of Malacca,Lombok or Sunda is screwed.
Noted. However,
Tell that to the USA. STOP GETTING OIL IN LAND DAMMIT.
Quiz session! If the abyssals are real, who bets they're already,well,to put it lightly and kid friendly, screwed?
*Me raises hand* Anyone else?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[IRL]
You can't make us! Hahahahahaha!
You have no idea the grin on my face when we started outproducing Syria.
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Kicker
A perfectionist with an inferiority complex.
- Location
- Malaysia
On that point, under the assumption that abyssals happens after all these terrorist stuff, what happens to the groups?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I don't know. I can't imagine literally any ship but maybe one liking them in any way, so they probably get a lot of literal flak, but everybody has bigger fish to fry soooooooo... huh, you know? They're probably not doing too badly, considering that they get by mostly on looting and murder instead of trade and nobody important has the time to stop them.
That sucks.
Week 4 - 2
You're feeling sympathetic, but you can't afford to help anyone who ask for it. Beside that, you're abyssals, benevolence isn't exactly in your nature. If she were to become part of your fleet, though, things would be different. You won't deny that having her joining would be a great help to your operations, either.
Though your decision is made, you decide not to let her know immediately. You don't plan on throwing her out unless she reveal something particularly outrageous, but you still have to be sure.
Still, how can you communicate what you want to ask her… Ah! You know. You can use one of those destroyer… Who are still here doing nothing rather than returning to work, those lazy good for nothing… Ah, well, it served you well this time, you will let it pass. So, use one of them to communicate with Morse Code!
"Wo." Ah, she seems to have understood. She answer back.
You're kind of relieved. For a moment you feared that she would send her reply by woing.
Her boss was insane? As in, tried to kill her and many other for no good reason... What exactly was the bad reason?
You were reporting about some setback on the front, and she felt you were disrespecting her?
"Wo! Wo!"
...You think you can understand what happened.
Still, how did she escape?
While she start recounting her tale, you look more carefully at her. She doesn't have many sign of damages, but it doesn't mean a lot. As a carrier, if she had been engaged into a gun fight, she likely wouldn't have survived at all. And locating a human-sized targets is a lot more difficult than doing the same for a ship a quarter of a kilometre long.
Still, there's some apparent damages that would be consistent with near misses from a few bombers that would have found her. And she has some sign of… exhaustion (well, provided an abyssal can feel exhaustion, but the word is close enough). She's very likely to be low on fuel.
So…
She was to be made an example, but that allowed her an opportunity to slip away. By the time they noticed her, she was fifty miles away sailing at full speed. She send planes scouting to keep an eye on her pursuers and see which route were safe, while keeping some in reserves in case a strike would be needed (She also doesn't say it because it's obvious to both of you, but she also had fighters in CAP most of the time).
Then she managed to lead the main pursuing group into a fleet of shipgirls. That would probably be a good distraction.
She's now relatively far away from her pursuers, and she's guessing they won't arrive her immediately. Even then, it probably will be a scouting force.
Still, she's low on fuel, so without help she doesn't like her chance. Which is why she took the risk of seeking you out.
That sound reasonable… You don't think she's lying to you. If possible you would want to avoid antagonising another abyssal, especially one more entrenched than you are, but Wo certainly won't be their main priority.
But you have to ask : Where exactly is the group she was part of based?
[] The Solomon islands
[] The Philippines
[] Singapore
(Depending on your choice, this will either be a region you will avoid for a long time, or which you will be expanding into. I will let you the choice of which)
...
I initially wanted to write the interlude to answer some questions posed in this thread, but I have a problem :
What sort of defences would US coastal cities have around two months after the beginning of the war? Also, how they would adapt to the realization that missiles has a very hard time hitting abyssals (and abyssals planes)?
Though your decision is made, you decide not to let her know immediately. You don't plan on throwing her out unless she reveal something particularly outrageous, but you still have to be sure.
Still, how can you communicate what you want to ask her… Ah! You know. You can use one of those destroyer… Who are still here doing nothing rather than returning to work, those lazy good for nothing… Ah, well, it served you well this time, you will let it pass. So, use one of them to communicate with Morse Code!
"Wo." Ah, she seems to have understood. She answer back.
You're kind of relieved. For a moment you feared that she would send her reply by woing.
Her boss was insane? As in, tried to kill her and many other for no good reason... What exactly was the bad reason?
You were reporting about some setback on the front, and she felt you were disrespecting her?
"Wo! Wo!"
...You think you can understand what happened.
Still, how did she escape?
While she start recounting her tale, you look more carefully at her. She doesn't have many sign of damages, but it doesn't mean a lot. As a carrier, if she had been engaged into a gun fight, she likely wouldn't have survived at all. And locating a human-sized targets is a lot more difficult than doing the same for a ship a quarter of a kilometre long.
Still, there's some apparent damages that would be consistent with near misses from a few bombers that would have found her. And she has some sign of… exhaustion (well, provided an abyssal can feel exhaustion, but the word is close enough). She's very likely to be low on fuel.
So…
She was to be made an example, but that allowed her an opportunity to slip away. By the time they noticed her, she was fifty miles away sailing at full speed. She send planes scouting to keep an eye on her pursuers and see which route were safe, while keeping some in reserves in case a strike would be needed (She also doesn't say it because it's obvious to both of you, but she also had fighters in CAP most of the time).
Then she managed to lead the main pursuing group into a fleet of shipgirls. That would probably be a good distraction.
She's now relatively far away from her pursuers, and she's guessing they won't arrive her immediately. Even then, it probably will be a scouting force.
Still, she's low on fuel, so without help she doesn't like her chance. Which is why she took the risk of seeking you out.
That sound reasonable… You don't think she's lying to you. If possible you would want to avoid antagonising another abyssal, especially one more entrenched than you are, but Wo certainly won't be their main priority.
But you have to ask : Where exactly is the group she was part of based?
[] The Solomon islands
[] The Philippines
[] Singapore
(Depending on your choice, this will either be a region you will avoid for a long time, or which you will be expanding into. I will let you the choice of which)
...
I initially wanted to write the interlude to answer some questions posed in this thread, but I have a problem :
What sort of defences would US coastal cities have around two months after the beginning of the war? Also, how they would adapt to the realization that missiles has a very hard time hitting abyssals (and abyssals planes)?
CompassJimbo
Where’s Your North?
- Location
- The former Rubber Capital of the World
My bet: lots and lots of anti-ship missiles (initally) and howitzers, plus strategic bombers. B-52s at least, plus escorts. Of course, those would be hard to replace. Our industrial complex has yet to fully get off it's ass by this point, and it'll be at least another year or so before we start seeing full wartime production. Once that's up, the major cities will resemble WH40K, they'll be bristling with so many high-caliber guns.
Shaithan
Re-class is happiest class
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- The worst part of Germany
For the first? The first bunkers with large artillery would currently be under construction. Most likely they'll try to have the artillery either sattellite or laser-guided, otherwise it's spray and pray. If they threw people at the problem, some vital cities may have actual fortifications, but I doubt it. Such large-scale construction isn't quick, especially when being bullt for reliability.
The fact that missiles work extremely poorly? The US definitely would be unhappy, especially with Trade collapsed and each missile coasting millions.
Even if you need only 5 missiles for a destroyer, at the low end of the cost spectrum you're looking at upwards of 50 Million dollars spent. A strike force of 30 ships could easily cost more than 1 billion to sink. More if planes are added. The US can't stomach such infinitely. And destroyed infrastructure in coastal cities would add even more costs to the whole thing. An economy can take only so much punishment before collapsing.
I can see two things happening concurrently. First, digging up whatever artillery they can get their hands on on and doing their best to make it as precise as possible. The second is trying to find a way to make missiles useful again (proximity fuses and such) as artillery of the calibers that actually works doesn't have the sheer range advantage that missiles have. One of the farthest hits scored by naval artillery was ~24km, missiles can reach several hundred kilometers easily.
Now. Vote time.
[X] Singapore
As far as I remember, Singapore is quite a bit away, so that would mean we just need to hide Wo long enough for the scouts to give up and then we have a carrier.
Stahor
BookWorm
- Location
- Russia, Moscow
[x] The Solomon islands
Question for anti-ship defense is - missiles don't work because of mystical reasons or there just problems with radar lock. Second can be mitigated with use of laser-guided missiles.
Hm... At early stages they can dust-off M163 VADS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for AA defense.
Question for anti-ship defense is - missiles don't work because of mystical reasons or there just problems with radar lock. Second can be mitigated with use of laser-guided missiles.