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A Union Dissolved

Moon Man said:
I suppose I'll let you keep it. You can keep western Long Island and far south NYS, as well as a chunk of Trenton. Maybe a tiny bit of far western Connecticut. VP would be... say, 2000 instead.
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May I offer a compromise? For simplicity's sake, just merge the two polities (NYC and NY) and I'll take the smaller VP count (1723). It makes more sense for me to have all of Long Island and all Five Boroughs. Taking Eastern Jersey (all the industry of Elisabeth, and the NYC exclave of Jersey City) as well as Trenton would have been easy and a priority. As well as securing Yonkers and White Plains for arable land.

Any territory north of Yonkers and all of the Connecticut land will be out of the questions of course.
 
kızıl sultan said:
I don't think we should convert to real money. Just utilization of VP as currency, no? It makes it easier to compare and count up and estimate costs for specific use.
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Moon Man said:
I was thinking the same.
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Moon Man said:
You wouldn't have to pay as much for mantinence, as it's already owned by you, and not newly built. All of your navy would probably be 175 VP in expenses.
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KnightofTempest said:
I thought we said we were?
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It makes more sense to keep VP as the means of pay for everything, as it's already mapped out. Why put arbitrary dollar amounts when we have a points system already on the map?
 
Houston
Consortium for Safety and Liberty (CSL)

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Notes: martial law; public demonstrations prohibited, unreasonable searches and surveillance. Reasonably free personal activities in non-political spheres of life

Government type: theoretically alliance of major corporations with former military, navy, airforce, national guard and police; theoretically provisional administration of the Consortium can be impeached by the board of directors; in practice military dictatorship

Term length: not applicable

Private sector areas under full government control (if applicable): Not applicable

Budget-

Military: 60%
Notes: used also as police under martial law

Social Programs: 2%
Notes: Radically decentralized; many small-scale programs locally administered by smaller towns under CSL's rule; none in Houston proper

Police: 20%

Civil services: 16%
Notes: Mostly reorganized as corporate entities with shares given to local inhabitants; some under military control.

Subsidies: 0%

Propaganda (if applicable): 2%
Notes: CSL's mission is to secure private property and personal liberty of former US citizens, former US and multinational enterprises, and former US international obligations that may affect them

Notes: even under martial law, only 10% of local GDP is consumed by the CSL's budget
 
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What about territories outside of the US proper, can we act internationally?

I mean, even severely crippled Houston metropolitan area (with second Great Depression and riots included) would have economy, military and navy stronger than many Latin American nations, and, altrough Mexico is stronger than me; I should be able to intervene in Honduras, Cuba or Panama (Panama Canal Zone!).
 
liberty90 said:
What about territories outside of the US proper, can we act internationally?

I mean, even severely crippled Houston metropolitan area (with second Great Depression and riots included) would have economy, military and navy stronger than many Latin American nations, and, altrough Mexico is stronger than me; I should be able to intervene in Honduras, Cuba or Panama (Panama Canal Zone!).
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Pretty Sure the Chinese would have seized the Canal the Second the US went belly up. . .
 
Also Pretty Sure that Foreign Stabilization Task Forces will be incoming shortly, The Russians would likely take this chance to Seize Alaska as a foothold, the EU would probably send a Task Force to the East Coast, China to California, etc.

I could also see the UN calling for an International Force to seize the Nuclear Arsenal and prevent it from being used by any of the Successor States against the others.

Then there's the whole thing with Recognition, I doubt any of us are recognized as a legitmate nation by anyone.

Really a Dissolved US Scenario needs a lot of thought to be put into it. . .
 
In the case of peaceful dissolution everybody would be shocked (everybody expects that Scotland may be someday free, but nobody would expect the same from US cities, obviously), but there are no reasons to intervene as long as there is no major war in the North America; and even then international community could be reluctant to intervene against modern forces. Most of there regions, even with crippled potential, would have armed forces and perspectives better than Cuba and probably similar to at least Columbia/Argentina.
 
liberty90 said:
In the case of peaceful dissolution everybody would be shocked (everybody expects that Scotland may be someday free, but nobody would expect the same from US cities, obviously), but there are no reasons to intervene as long as there is no major war in the North America; and even then international community could be reluctant to intervene against modern forces. Most of there regions, even with crippled potential, would have armed forces and perspectives better than Cuba and probably similar to at least Columbia/Argentina.
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If this was a peaceful dissolution it would have happened on state or perhaps regional lines, not this mess of a map
 
Let's not be that realistic about the game start, I'm pretty satisfied with ASB-like promise as long as gameplay itself will be somewhat logical.

US dissolution would need space magic to occur, true, but this is a game after all. If no further magical events occur during gameplay, I shall be pretty content.

This is still more realistic than, for example, Shadowrun setting.
 
KnightofTempest said:
If this was a peaceful dissolution it would have happened on state or perhaps regional lines, not this mess of a map
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Okay, if you're going to keep acting like a dick about random things that I can't even change, then just leave. Seriously, it's extremely obnoxious. I know a sudden collapse of the US would be unrealistic. That's why this HASN'T HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE. And if it didn't split into city-states, and instead into full-blown states, some Confederacy-esqe thing would pop up in pretty much every reigon and make expansion impossible in any way.
 
liberty90 said:
In the case of peaceful dissolution everybody would be shocked (everybody expects that Scotland may be someday free, but nobody would expect the same from US cities, obviously), but there are no reasons to intervene as long as there is no major war in the North America; and even then international community could be reluctant to intervene against modern forces. Most of there regions, even with crippled potential, would have armed forces and perspectives better than Cuba and probably similar to at least Columbia/Argentina.
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I'm thinking that maybe they all signed a treaty to form a coalition in the case of a foreign invasion, and that's what deters other countries.
 
While UE (through they do not like to invest in military), China (though their military is rather defensively-oriented) or to lesser extend Russia (though logistics would destroy their budget even worse than new global recession) & Mexico (probably only in border areas) could intervene, we are still much more dangerous to many small/poor nations that these nations to us.

I know that only US is currently included on map, but could I invade Cuba in the future, pretty please? xD
Surely communists and socialists are to blame for the US dissolution. xd
 
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liberty90 said:
While UE (through they do not like to invest in military), China (though their military is rather defensively-oriented) or to lesser extend Russia (though logistics would destroy their budget even worse than new global recession) & Mexico (probably only in border areas) could intervene, we are still much more dangerous to many small/poor nations that these nations to us.

I know that only US is currently included on map, but could I invade Cuba in the future, pretty please? xD
Surely communists and socialists are to blame for the US dissolution. xd
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I'm pretty sure posing a threat to other nations would unite the UN, and they might even send a VERY strongly worded letter. Warnings.
 
Does not mean that I cannot try. False documents that "prove" Cuban and Venezuelan interference that managed to destabilize US democracy may be forged, after all.

Now, CSL was created in Houston, so vile communist plot was clearly not fully successful thanks to superior anti-collectivist American culture, but still, situation is strongly destabilized - so this was serious agression ; )
 
Yeah @liberty90 i will have to say no to your proposed conquest of Cuba they are one of my main trading partners so i will fight you for it and i can guarantee the entire state will do the same.
 
What can they sell to you, sugarcane? xp
"My" corporations on the other hand may be unprofitable in the current chaotic situation and cheap labor, as well as undeveloped land, could help with business xP
 
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seattle would have even more vp then because we have a variety of sources of income in the area from large amounts of agriculture to industry to our computer technology. then theres the fact we are one of THE shipping ports for america with the pacific ocean.
 
Cybandeath said:
seattle would have even more vp then because we have a variety of sources of income in the area from large amounts of agriculture to industry to our computer technology. then theres the fact we are one of THE shipping ports for america with the pacific ocean.
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You probably don't have anything to ship though. AFAIK, seattle, like NYC, is a trade hub. Its supposed to assist the flow of goods and services. You don't have the goods because you're no longer connected to the network.
 
kızıl sultan said:
You probably don't have anything to ship though. AFAIK, seattle, like NYC, is a trade hub. Its supposed to assist the flow of goods and services. You don't have the goods because you're no longer connected to the network.
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I was talking about locally in the area we have alot of organized agriculture and industry, as well as various tech companies. especially in the overall territory given for seattle.
 
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and the majority of stuff in washinton be it industry, or agriculture is primarily in the territory seattle has.....
2013 washington agriculture.
 
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