A Realm Divided - A ASOIAF Nation Game

Atomicwalrus · Dec 13, 2017

Im at work so I'll do a write up once in home.
I'm not sure what to do with Baelor's betrothal to Cersi now.

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

Atomicwalrus said:
Im at work so I'll do a write up once in home.
I'm not sure what to do with Baelor's betrothal to Cersi now.

No problem Atomic, as said I plan on staying up pretty late tonight to do get work done on things so I can help out.

Mortis Nuntius · Dec 13, 2017

Any word on the list of die hard NPCs?

kızıl sultan · Dec 13, 2017

ByzantineCaesar said:
You sent him with the Ironborn and the Ironborn delivered him to me.

Fair dues.

Atomicwalrus said:
The Hightowers where against it, but we weren't regents anymore.

You were. Baelor was supposed to replace his father in all of his positions.

Mortis Nuntius said:
Alright.

Tywin gets his Golden Bank.

It is the sole lender to the Crown.

Other Banks need their own Royal Charters.
--

The Riverlands will remain under House Tully.

Darry and Harrenhal are now part of the Crownlands.

Darry gets the title Warden of the Trident.

--

Dorne gets is projects and a bank of its own if it asks.
--

Anything else?

Canals in the Reach. Kek.

ByzantineCaesar said:
In all honesty I don't see how Rhaegar could ever acquire lands from the North without a full-blown invasion.

I just got threatened with an invasion of the Reach if I didn't cave either. Let the glorious reign of Rhaegar begin.

ByzantineCaesar said:
Full independence was the logical conclusion, but let me see if a middle ground is possible:

Rickard Stark as King in the North,

North nominally independent, but Rickard swears some of the feudal oaths to Rhaegar (military assistance and hospitality, I'd say, also obviously including non-aggression) whereas taxation is given through tribute

No legal jurisdiction though.

Lyanna is sent south as Elia's lady until she marries Robert whenever, Benjen becomes Rhaegar's squire until he's 16

No land transfers

Rickard releases all of his prisoners (including cousin-murderer Tristifer Darry) for no ransom

If you want some sort of marriage can be arranged. The ideal one to cement everything would be Rickard and Rhaella, but you'd never go for that so I don't know. Is there someone Rhaegar would have Rickard marry? Benjen is available too but be aware that he's leaving for the Night's Watch asap, so it would be very short term.

Wow. I want some of that carte-blanche.

Skrevski said:
Elia dies from Childbirth.

Karma is just.

Atomicwalrus said:
So is Leyton back or forced to flee the kingdoms?

ByzantineCaesar said:
He's back.

Leyton is welcomed back to the Reach and pardoned by Mace due to machinations by Olenna. She will be sent to the Arbor.

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

Mortis Nuntius said:
Any word on the list of die hard NPCs?

Slowly working, though I don't think there will be that many. Also there will be several new Free Companies forming from this.

Velasco · Dec 13, 2017

What exactly is the impetus or justification for Rickard becoming King here? He acted dishonourably, embarrassed himself and the North, broke faith numerous times and wasted time and resources for absolutely nothing. The North remembers. It remembers it's oaths and it's duties and it needs something catastrophic to go back on them. What did Rhaegar do that legitimizes Rickard crowning himself King?

Edit:

Elias death shouldn't have been retconned.

ByzantineCaesar · Dec 13, 2017

House Stark at the height of the Long Summer (295 AC)

Rickard Stark (b. 244), m1. {Lyarra Stark}, m2. Rhaella Targaryen

Brandon Stark (b. 262), m. Catelyn Tully
- Raya Rivers (b. 281), fostered at Raventree Hall @Darth Invictus ?
- Sansa Stark (b. 284), heiress to Winterfell, b. her cousin Robb,
- Lysara Stark (b. 293),
Eddard Stark (b. 263), m. Denyse Hightower
- Robb Stark (b. 285),
- Brandon Stark (b. 288),
- Arya Stark (b. 289),
- Rickon Stark (b. 290),
- Marna Stark (b. 295),
Lyanna
Benjen Stark, a brother of the Night's Watch,
Jon Stark (b. 287), the White Wolf

Arryn · Dec 13, 2017

I have zero idea what I want to do in 14 years since my main partner Eliud has dropped the game.

Jasper was going to die from age/illness by the early 290s though. He'll be gone during this time skip unless he gets executed or murdered first.

ByzantineCaesar · Dec 13, 2017

Velasco said:
What exactly is the impetus or justification for Rickard becoming King here? He acted dishonourably, embarrassed himself and the North, broke faith numerous times and wasted time and resources for absolutely nothing. The North remembers. It remembers it's oaths and it's duties and it needs something catastrophic to go back on them. What did Rhaegar do that legitimizes Rickard crowning himself King?

Edit:

Elias death shouldn't have been retconned.

Restoring the Faith Militant and co-ruling with the High Septon should be more than enough, if a reason is needed other than Rhaegar being an impossible king.

Mortis Nuntius · Dec 13, 2017

Velasco said:
What exactly is the impetus or justification for Rickard becoming King here? He acted dishonourably, embarrassed himself and the North, broke faith numerous times and wasted time and resources for absolutely nothing. The North remembers. It remembers it's oaths and it's duties and it needs something catastrophic to go back on them. What did Rhaegar do that legitimizes Rickard crowning himself King?

Edit:

Elias death shouldn't have been retconned.

It keeps Byz happy and it keeps Duzzit happy respectively.

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

Velasco said:
What exactly is the impetus or justification for Rickard becoming King here? He acted dishonourably, embarrassed himself and the North, broke faith numerous times and wasted time and resources for absolutely nothing. The North remembers. It remembers it's oaths and it's duties and it needs something catastrophic to go back on them. What did Rhaegar do that legitimizes Rickard crowning himself King?

Edit:

Elias death shouldn't have been retconned.

He forgot about the chances, I gave him one Mulgun.

It was agreed on, it is done.

Sidheach · Dec 13, 2017

Also Viserys needs friends,lots of friends, he must have all the friends.

Velasco said:
What exactly is the impetus or justification for Rickard becoming King here? He acted dishonourably, embarrassed himself and the North, broke faith numerous times and wasted time and resources for absolutely nothing. The North remembers. It remembers it's oaths and it's duties and it needs something catastrophic to go back on them. What did Rhaegar do that legitimizes Rickard crowning himself King?

Edit:

Elias death shouldn't have been retconned.

Rickard buggering off North, declaring KING IN DA NORF and then Rhaegar working out a weak compromise that allows them to somewhat save face is the reasoning here.

Velasco · Dec 13, 2017

ByzantineCaesar said:
Restoring the Faith Militant and co-ruling with the High Septon should be more than enough, if a reason is needed other than Rhaegar being an impossible king.

Restoring the Faith Militant is dumb but irrelevant to the North and certainly not grounds for treason.

Rhaegar is hard headed and difficult but so are the Starks who behead their wards whose fathers misbehave.

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

Sidheach said:
Also Viserys needs friends,lots of friends, he must have all the friends.

Rickard buggering off North, declaring KING IN DA NORF and then Rhaegar working out a weak compromise that allows them to somewhat save face is the reasoning here.

Great Jon is still alive so he can get his "KING IN DA NORF!" moment lol

I need to also make up a list of those that died and lived of the Lords.

Mortis Nuntius · Dec 13, 2017

Sidheach said:
Also Viserys needs friends,lots of friends, he must have all the friends.

Rickard buggering off North, declaring KING IN DA NORF and then Rhaegar working out a weak compromise that allows them to somewhat save face is the reasoning here.

This compromise being that the North is just a friendly independent kingdom that owes military service and tribute and is married into the Targaryen family.

I can live with that.

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

ByzantineCaesar said:
House Stark at the height of the Long Summer (295 AC)

Rickard Stark (b. 244), m1. {Lyarra Stark}, m2. Rhaella Targaryen

Brandon Stark (b. 262), m. Catelyn Tully

Raya Rivers (b. 281), fostered at Raventree Hall @Darth Invictus ?

Sansa Stark (b. 284), heiress to Winterfell, b. her cousin Robb,

Lysara Stark (b. 293),

Eddard Stark (b. 263), m. Denyse Hightower

Robb Stark (b. 285),

Brandon Stark (b. 288),

Arya Stark (b. 289),

Rickon Stark (b. 290),

Marna Stark (b. 295),

Lyanna

Benjen Stark, a brother of the Night's Watch,

Jon Stark (b. 287), the White Wolf

I approve of this family listing btw.

ByzantineCaesar · Dec 13, 2017

Velasco said:
Restoring the Faith Militant is dumb but irrelevant to the North and certainly not grounds for treason.

Rhaegar is hard headed and difficult but so are the Starks who behead their wards whose fathers misbehave.

I don't see the point you're trying to make. All of the Northern lords had already renounced Rhaegar and Rickard boycotted the Great Council (which, sure, is bound to cause some tension with the likes of the Dustins and the Manderlys who wanted to head there). Crowning Rickard and going independent is the only choice after all other claimants were gone. As for the FM, I'd argue it is the most relevant precisely to the North, since a Seven-following theocratic rule wouldn't end well for Old Gods worshipers. The Northerners are loyal to House Targaryen, yes, but they're more loyal to themselves and their ancient ways and customs.

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

ByzantineCaesar said:
I don't see the point you're trying to make. All of the Northern lords had already renounced Rhaegar and Rickard boycotted the Great Council (which, sure, is bound to cause some tension with the likes of the Dustins and the Manderlys who wanted to head there). Crowning Rickard and going independent is the only choice after all other claimants were gone. As for the FM, I'd argue it is the most relevant precisely to the North, since a Seven-following theocratic rule wouldn't end well for Old Gods worshipers. The Northerners are loyal to House Targaryen, yes, but they're more loyal to themselves and their ancient ways and customs.

Also I have the Faith being okay with the North going that way, they don't have to deal with most of the Old Gods anymore.

Actually @Mortis Nuntius , would Rhaegar allow Old God families to go north and @ByzantineCaesar would Rickard let Seven Families go south? So like if a House wanted to resettle would they allow it?

ByzantineCaesar · Dec 13, 2017

Skrevski said:
Also I have the Faith being okay with the North going that way, they don't have to deal with most of the Old Gods anymore.

Actually @Mortis Nuntius , would Rhaegar allow Old God families to go north and @ByzantineCaesar would Rickard let Seven Families go south? So like if a House wanted to resettle would they allow it?

I mean, the only Northern houses who follow the Seven are the Manderlys and the Whitehills, and I don't see either of them wanting to relocate. Ditto for the Blackwoods in the south.

Mortis Nuntius · Dec 13, 2017

Skrevski said:
Also I have the Faith being okay with the North going that way, they don't have to deal with most of the Old Gods anymore.

Actually @Mortis Nuntius , would Rhaegar allow Old God families to go north and @ByzantineCaesar would Rickard let Seven Families go south? So like if a House wanted to resettle would they allow it?

Maybe. But I think more practical would be for the Manderlys and Dustins being major traders probably end up a bit of a halfway house. Sworn to Winterfel but oriented towards the South. The former especially given they are merchantile seven worshippers.

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

ByzantineCaesar said:
I mean, the only Northern houses who follow the Seven are the Manderlys and the Whitehills, and I don't see either of them wanting to relocate. Ditto for the Blackwoods in the south.

Mortis Nuntius said:
Maybe. But I think more practical would be for the Manderlys and Dustins being major traders probably end up a bit of a halfway house. Sworn to Winterfel but oriented towards the South.

Okay just thought I would sort that out now

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

New Free Companies:

The Honor Knights
The Phoenix Company
The Westerosi Freelancers.

Mortis Nuntius · Dec 13, 2017

Skrevski said:
New Free Companies:

The Honor Knights
The Phoenix Company
The Westerosi Freelancers.

The A team?

Skrevski · Dec 13, 2017

Mortis Nuntius said:
The A team?

Fourteen years gives them a while to start forming reps. The Honor Knights are well pretty honorable. lol

CommandoHowizter · Dec 13, 2017

Rolls ahoy.

A daughter named Eleanor and a son named Denys, born in 287 and 291 respectively.

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