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A New Dawn (XCOM/Mass Effect)

How Would You Prefer To Handle Unit Design?

  • Just let the QM do it.

    Votes: 15 30.0%

  • Just choose which techs to use.

    Votes: 23 46.0%

  • Choose which techs and extra features to use limited by size, cost, and upkeep.

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Choose individual (fictional) systems to equip units with. Limited by size, cost, upkeep, etc.

    Votes: 2 4.0%

  • None of these.

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Total voters
    50
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Yes I am talking longer term. But we are not that far anyways. We are decades ahead of any other power in the air and in space. By the time they get around to trying to get into space we would have assumed complete control of access
 
I just don't think we're as strong as everyone is saying we are. I mean yeah we're one of the biggest dogs around but if were already at the point where the world has to bow to us or be destroyed then we might as well time skip ahead to when we're exploring space as their is no point about worrying about anything on a local level any more. Besides being more advance, in a Xcom based game, doesn't mean you automatically win. I mean look at xcom, they were able to beat a FAR more advance foe.

Also a thing I noticed about SV and SB is they always claim to be top dog and underestimate their opponents and then when they get into a fight they realize that the divide in power isn't as big as they thought it was.

Not saying we won't win if it comes to a fight, far from it. Just saying that maybe a little more cation should be used when dismissing any potential threats credibility to threaten us.
 
x0Nothing0x said:
I just don't think we're as strong as everyone is saying we are. I mean yeah we're one of the biggest dogs around but if were already at the point where the world has to bow to us or be destroyed then we might as well time skip ahead to when we're exploring space as their is no point about worrying about anything on a local level any more. Besides being more advance, in a Xcom based game, doesn't mean you automatically win. I mean look at xcom, they were able to beat a FAR more advance foe.

Also a thing I noticed about SV and SB is they always claim to be top dog and underestimate their opponents and then when they get into a fight they realize that the divide in power isn't as big as they thought it was.

Not saying we won't win if it comes to a fight, far from it. Just saying that maybe a little more cation should be used when dismissing any potential threats credibility to threaten us.
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No one even is around to pick a fight. South America doesn't care about anything but forming a Empire on that continent so they are not a threat. Australia is our Ally and we have propped them up since we started interaction with the world again. Japan is in a 30 year war that we joined them in and doesn't want to fight us and we focus on Rebuilding with our help. The CAU is a Ally in all but name and is worrying about French aggression again. Israel and Turkey are forming a new power but turkey has started a quick Civil War which will be over by the end of next turn and they're allied as part of the CAU alliance. India and China have fallen from the great powers chart and are now embroiled in warlordism, Civil War, or being beaten by the people they tried to attack. Russia is one dice roll away from becoming a failed state. Russia's economy is completely shot their population has been demolished because of their stupid war against Germany, and they are fractured to the point they could fall apart at any moment. The UK is going to be busy resettling South Africa and dealing stabilizing Southeast Asia and the Indian subcontinent they're also one of the Allies we are looking to flip to our side. Germany is busy repairing and rebuilding Eastern Europe it is all so angry at France for its own actions during its time of need. And if we can swing it Germany is also the other Nation along with the East European nations coming along with it. France and their allies are completely focused on imperialistic adventures. They they are the most likely threat to us but that not only can they not reach us because we have full control over the seas if they tried we would be able to bomb them with our Air Force. We have done a lot of analysis and a lot of work we are of the top dog.
 
x0Nothing0x said:
Not saying we won't win if it comes to a fight, far from it. Just saying that maybe a little more cation should be used when dismissing any potential threats credibility to threaten us.
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Thing is, you're going "We should be more cautious because others may challenge us" to far future plans. Naturally if the situation changes people are going to change the plan but currently we're the only ones in space, we're rapidly expanding our space capability and techs, rapidly expanding allies, and no one is looking to pick a fight with us yet.

If say, France, invests heavily in space capabilities starting next turn things may change, but from other nations' current interests and states it seems likely we're the only ones going for up as opposed to everyone else's around trying to gain more clay on Terra.

"Everyone may unite against you deciding to do something you haven't yet declared IC you'll do, with technologies they haven't researched since they have no idea that you're even taking this path that enables this thing you plan to do."

Also I believe part of this war is to help reinforce that yes we're strong naval and air wise both to ourselves and to other nations around, making them less likely to poke what was the world's greatest military force that they likely would believe had focused on being so again..

I mean, we had trouble getting intelligence on other countries until we actively started sending merchant ships out and even that's limited. Could you imagine an America that doesn't immediately focus on becoming top dog military wise again after an alien invasion? Other nations got limited actions like us after all. Nobody's expecting us to have the holes we left to focus on industry, research and quality of life. Which we are sealing! Slowly but surely.
 
Asmodemus said:
If say, France, invests heavily in space capabilities starting next turn things may change, but from other nations' current interests and states it seems likely we're the only ones going for up as opposed to everyone else's around trying to gain more clay on Terra.
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Nope even if they started now it would take decades of concentrated efforts to reach our current level. We started with a more advanced space tree far in advance of anyone else in the world. We then expanded that tree to where we are now we are also picking up speed in our development as well. By the time anyone that isn't being helped by us gets to our current level we will already have colonies on other worlds with much stronger forces all around. We also would be able to stop them long before that time as well. Right now we are the only ones that send and use any kind of orbital infrastructure. Everyone else is still isolated from eachother.
 
Adventwolf said:
Nope even if they started now it would take decades of concentrated efforts to reach our current level. We started with a more advanced space tree far in advance of anyone else in the world. We then expanded that tree to where we are now we are also picking up speed in our development as well. By the time anyone that isn't being helped by us gets to our current level we will already have colonies on other worlds with much stronger forces all around. We also would be able to stop them long before that time as well. Right now we are the only ones that send and use any kind of orbital infrastructure. Everyone else is still isolated from eachother.
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To echo this, our space industry is based off of the fact we did industry research so we have higher discounts on our actions (.75 at good was max before tech, after tech good becomes .5 and excellent is .5 with a bonus), we did research on alien alloy production and then spent several years setting up alien alloy industry (at the first level costs where x4 so prohibitively expensive) we did fusion research so that we have a way to reach space and all of this with the +1 action from xcom that other countries cannot replicate and most if not all countries have had time to dive electronics for the research action there. We also have factories in the US designed for orbital projects and have expanded our launch and spaceport all of which you first need to research and then spend time doing. Not to mention we have already started Lunar colonization with a base being established. We are a good decade or two ahead of any dedicated effort to catch up to where we are now and we are not going to be resting on our laurels.
 
Jesus Christ, I think this is the fastest moving thread I've ever seen outside of Sage of Eyes' stuff. It's kind of amazing. I'm looking forward to the next update. Hopefully Isaacssv's exams will be over soon. I'm excited to see us expand our orbital infrastructure even more and start up a huge project, like the SSI or SDI. I love 4x games, so just constantly building and expanding stuff is quite fun for me. The flashy military units are great too. Looking forward to seeing fusion plane engines, then we could build an aerospace plane that could transition from atmosphere to orbit and back again. That'd be cool.
 
We are unlikely to make a new plane for a while. The fusion engines for planes cannot be added to the new planes we just built. We will wait until we have improved more technology to make redesigning the new planes again.
 
Thorgon said:
So where will the quest be moved to if it gets removed/banned from SV?
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Not sure yet. I can move it anywhere that supports bbcode, so there are a lot of options.
Sir LagsAlot said:
He got temp banned for breaking rule five by undermining a mod and I doubt getting temp banned changed his opinion.
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That's not what my infraction says. It alleges I assisted in the circumvention of a ban.
RandomDwarf said:
slow and steady as we take over the solar system, also should we terraform Venus and turn it into a Argi world? And then turn mars into a Hive-World like structure?
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Mars is relatively easy to terraform and in your home system, so maybe. However, once you get access to the relay network it becomes a lot easier to just find/conquer a garden world than terraform a borderline world.
x0Nothing0x said:
I figured we were going to unite everyone with the slow but steady method of just building ourselves up as much as we can as fast as we can and slowly start sucking up other nations through trade deals or other methods that builds up relationships with other nations with maybe a war or two thrown in from people trying to stop us from growing so quickly or because they want what we have.
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You might unify Earth eventually, but most players would like to enter space ASAP. Time and resources spent on unifying Earth could be spent building a space program, and that's what has happened so far.
 
My problem with mass effect is that people in canon always take the path of least resistance to colonizing, which leads them to be extremely spread out and reliant entirely on the relay network. I see benefits in maximizing our industry within sol as much as possible.
 
the thing is that currently no one is playing the spy game or having to deal with global communications. right now the world is more divided then it is right now in rl with little civilian/public communication, preventing tech leaks. as this starts to happen its going to get harder to hold on to our secrets just by osmosis, military tech should be safeish from being stolen but anything we use in a public/industrial fashion is much more likely to be reverse engineered. . combine that with the issue of deminishing tech returns once we hit to high expense/time and the other nations of the world will catch up eventually.
 
Gmerguy said:
the thing is that currently no one is playing the spy game or having to deal with global communications. right now the world is more divided then it is right now in rl with little civilian/public communication, preventing tech leaks. as this starts to happen its going to get harder to hold on to our secrets just by osmosis, military tech should be safeish from being stolen but anything we use in a public/industrial fashion is much more likely to be reverse engineered. . combine that with the issue of deminishing tech returns once we hit to high expense/time and the other nations of the world will catch up eventually.
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by that time it wont matter we will have multiple off world colonies and they will be unable to challenge our industrial base
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
The mod who gave you the infraction declared that he gave it to you under rule 5.
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"One aspect of this is that when a user is threadbanned, it is not allowed for another user to enable the first to circumvent the threadban." and "Violation of Rule 5 - Do not offer to help another user circumvent their ban" seem pretty clear to me.
 
Isaacssv558 said:
"One aspect of this is that when a user is threadbanned, it is not allowed for another user to enable the first to circumvent the threadban." and "Violation of Rule 5 - Do not offer to help another user circumvent their ban" seem pretty clear to me.
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Yes, so you agree you were punished under rule 5 like I've been saying all along because that's literally exactly what it says under the post that was infracted.
 
Ghostdevil said:
Wait he was banned? For what?
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Stuff that occurred in here relating to a User, then likely some stuff he said in the Announcements thread regarding the Rule 2 thing and that it pertained to another Quest. That's the best guess.

If the mods are unhappy with me saying this, please PM me rather then just infract/ban me and I'll delete it. Now if by the rules and your job regulations you have to... well, that sucks but it happens not like I'm going to be super upset, maybe a little sad.
 
Altered said:
Stuff that occurred in here relating to a User, then likely some stuff he said in the Announcements thread regarding the Rule 2 thing and that it pertained to another Quest. That's the best guess.

If the mods are unhappy with me saying this, please PM me rather then just infract/ban me and I'll delete it. Now if by the rules and your job regulations you have to... well, that sucks but it happens not like I'm going to be super upset, maybe a little sad.
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Oh it was about the Rome thread? I see, i gotcha.
 
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