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A New Dawn (Ex-Papergeist) - A Worm/Naruto Crossover

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This chapter kinda killed any interest I had going on for this.. I guess I don't find Coil / Cauldron plot jank that interesting in any story?

Has tat's power not pointed out all the ways she's gonna fucking die from this?
 
That was a great chapter!
I know how easy it is to get into your own head, I'm happy you returned and will be happy for the next chapter whenever that is <3
 
Very interesting, both the heroes and villains are preparing to set their plans in motion. Coil's being unexpectedly bold, but I'm guessing that's the result of several throw away timelines where Tenshi has proven herself to be a problem that he can't let exist if he wants to have any chance of controlling the city.

Pai said:
Has tat's power not pointed out all the ways she's gonna fucking die from this?
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Tattletale's power is really not that good at pointing out that exact thing. The bank robbery in canon had her power severely underestimate the opposition that would be put against them and totally miss that Panacea was there, while grabbing codes to the vault out of basically thin air. Maybe it's conflict drive or some other aspect of her power, but it's not good at anticipating danger until it's right in her face.
 
Welp, gonna be a whole lotta dead hangers and parahumans after this, am entirely willing to wait patiently for the next instalment
 
Blueshift said:
Very interesting, both the heroes and villains are preparing to set their plans in motion. Coil's being unexpectedly bold, but I'm guessing that's the result of several throw away timelines where Tenshi has proven herself to be a problem that he can't let exist if he wants to have any chance of controlling the city.


Tattletale's power is really not that good at pointing out that exact thing. The bank robbery in canon had her power severely underestimate the opposition that would be put against them and totally miss that Panacea was there, while grabbing codes to the vault out of basically thin air. Maybe it's conflict drive or some other aspect of her power, but it's not good at anticipating danger until it's right in her face.
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Not to mention that Tats is pretty blatantly obsessed with always being seen as the smartest one in the room, regardless of how big a target it puts on her back.
 
Wait so Coil openly outs a parahuman to the gathered villains of the Bay? At which point both Kaiser and Lung, being intelligent people, realize Coil is apparently able and willing to unmask parahumans at the drop of a hat (definitely including themselves), and they fucking kill him.

There's a reason Coil doesn't openly and blatantly flout the rules. He fucking hides that shit until the right moment to strike.
 
...As the above poster said, why the hell haven't Kaiser/Lung stabbed/immolated Coil as soon as he revealed another cape's identity?

Sure, it's nice to know who Tenshi really is, but it should be far more concerning to them (to Kaiser especially since he's the more squishy of the two and has far more to lose with his CEO position) that Coil can so easily find out civilian IDs.

Especially civilian IDs of people who can shape-shifting so well that they can hide themselves without a trace. Because if they could hide themselves without a trace that neither Lung or Kaiser nor their respective gangs could find, then how did Coil achieve that?

I know villains play lip service to the Unwritten Rules a lot, but when it concerns them directly in such a way like this, you can bet your ass that they'll take it seriously. If anything, I honestly expected Lung and/or Kaiser to kill Coil and thank his dead corpse for the info.
 
Finding the identity of a kid, a hero who is actively disrupting things, is both perceived as easier and less threatening than doing it to professional adult villains that have played this game for a *while*.
 
Radek said:
Chances are good they consider doing just that, then realize it would solve nothing. The info being out here and now guarantees there are backups, plus who knows what contingencies in case it's taken poorly.

Best to accept with good grace, return to friendly territory, then start plotting murder.

Preferably in a way that won't be tracked to them.
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Why would they care about Coil's death being tracked to them? If anything, they would be quite happy to have it traced back to them since it boosts their rep and/or shows they uphold the Unwritten Rules.

And no, they don't know if Coil already has their IDs or has backups of them which is why it is best they strike now. Even if Coil did have their IDs and have backup plans to release them, it's better for everyone here (except Coil) that he dies now since it's been proven he a) has information gathering capabilities far beyond what he should and b) is clearly willing to trample all over the Unwritten Rules.

Capes dying in a fight is fine. Capes being unmasked and killed is not. Kaiser even explicitly notes this in his musings about the 2nd time he and Lung met at Somer's Rock, about the "idiot who killed Fleur."

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Finding the identity of a kid, a hero who is actively disrupting things, is both perceived as easier and less threatening than doing it to professional adult villains that have played this game for a *while*.
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...It's still incredibly threatening, especially to the adult villains in the room. This is a very unspoken threat that he can do the same thing to every cape in the room.

Grue, for example, should be balking at this since he very much does not like breaking the Rules or drawing heat down that him and the Undersiders cannot handle.

Kaiser should've already realized the implications of what Coil did, but here it seems that he ignored every single big warning sign other than the potential backlash of assassinating a cape. Which, imho, is not good writing.

Lung should've recognized it too and, even if he doesn't have as much to lose as Kaiser, more than likely incinerated Coil for having the temerity to do so.

You both seem to think that this is an easy thing to ignore for all involved. It really, really is not.
 
underscore said:
Finding the identity of a kid, a hero who is actively disrupting things, is both perceived as easier and less threatening than doing it to professional adult villains that have played this game for a *while*.
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Finding out the identity of a man who has been in the game for years is easier than it is findinibg out the identity of someone who has been around for weeks. There is more to track with Kaiser and Lung, especially considering Kaiser has people who are dead and buried that were publicly attached to his cap identity as family.

I say that to say this, Kaiser has to know Coil knows who he is just off how that information was presented.
 
wencitofrum said:
There are still quite a few instances of Legend being referred to as 'She'
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And that's what I get for trying to hastily edit in between Vanguard Strikes on Destiny 2. Lemme know if you see more, I think I got them.

As for everything else, a lot of food for thought on things I may have missed. Going to have to adjust the next chapter planning in a few ways to take into account all of this. I'll try and answer you guys when I can collect my thoughts but today was sposed to be a rest day before I work the next 5 days with the last two culminating in an hour and a half drive to and from the workplace.
 
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Actually what was even the point of revealing Tenshi's Civ ID? If the goal is to kill her as Tenshi then Coil just violated the Unwritten Rules to show that he's willing and able to break them. If the goal is to rock up to her house in the middle of the night and bomb the place (something which Kaiser was just noted as being explicitly against) then I'd expect that to have been mentioned in the chapter.
 
All of these gangs *can* find each other identities, they always have been able to.
The protectorate would not have any problems finding the identities of anyone big in BB. The Empire could do the same for anyone in the protectorate.
It's never been about ability, that's why it's a code of conduct *not* to do it. The shocking part about the Empire dossier in canon was that he *made and released it*, not that he could.

It's a ploy to raise the stakes, actually get everyone on board w doing this to her even if not the civilian identity. It's bad form, but calculated. Maybe in the other timeline he didn't get Lung w them cause he wasn't as offended by being pushed back by a little girl.

I do agree Brian being comfortable w this is weird but I can see him keeping the mask on until in private w Lisa. He can ignore a lot of stuff if given the motivation.
 
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So, Legend is apparently female in this one? Or possibly just prefers female pronouns? I don't recall that, but I do read a lot of fanfiction.
 
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Actually what was even the point of revealing Tenshi's Civ ID? If the goal is to kill her as Tenshi then Coil just violated the Unwritten Rules to show that he's willing and able to break them. If the goal is to rock up to her house in the middle of the night and bomb the place (something which Kaiser was just noted as being explicitly against) then I'd expect that to have been mentioned in the chapter.
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One, it shows that she's a shapeshifter. Useful information, especially in conjunction with both her cloning power, and her guerilla warfare tactics. Two, Kaiser and Lung's attitude towards Tenshi changed when it was revealed she was actually a teenager - and a white teenager at that. I'd go as far as guessing Coil wasn't going to reveal her identity unless he needed to - the racial element does seem to be what got Lung onboard with the plan, when he was probably not going to join before it was revealed.

AlSmash said:
"Again, pass along my gratitude to Legend for her understanding.
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Missed a "her."
 
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The meeting hasn't ended yet, the entirety of Somers Rock could still be a pile of explosive tags.

BOOM!
Ah, the sound of victory… my favorite sound of all.
 
Oh, Coil, you want to escalate, but you forget you oppose the Empress of Escalation, too bad about Lisa, though.
 
So just an update, and I'd like you guys' input as well.

I have Parts 1 and 2 Done. But we're looking at 6K words done in almost two months. I'm currently projecting at least another 10K words before I even have a hint of being near done. Which, combined with my current workload at work, and mental health, I see taking me another 4 months or so before I have an update ready to go.

So, I put it to you guys, do I go with the full chapter, or should I go like 2.05.01 and make it into a multi part chapter for you all to work with and tide you over until we can get to the fireworks.

Thanks for your responses, I'll probably make a decision Wednesday or Thursday morning.
 
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