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A Nation's Symbol (Kantai Collection Quest)

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So... when compared to other WWII Battleships, Midding Guns, Low-to-Midding AA, Thick Armor and Slow Speed. Is that it?

How good was Arizona's radar?

How would Arizona fight against peer ships? Close range fight or Standoff Shooting?
 
She will need better fire control, radar, point defense, maybe even missile launchers...
 
San Fran : Think of her as a close-quarters combat specialist. She was built with the doctrine that was created after naval battles like Jutland, where her slow speed of 21 knots was, in theory, to allow all warships in a fleet to remain in formation and to deliver withering amounts of fire at whatever their guns are directed towards.
 
Uh, guys...why are we asking about how Arizona came back? Langley just said that she didn't know.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Is like a mother holding their child...
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Should be "a mother holding her child". There is no "their".

Also, the "is" is kind of unnecessary and messy, as it confuses the past-tense of the previous parts of the sentence...but it's not too big a deal. Your choice.

"I..." you shudder, your own arms gripping the blonde tightly, "The bomb. Nothing else. Just fire and pain and my crew dying."
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This is a little odd. Arizona was hit by four dive bombers, not one. And the fatal hit didn't result in the magazine explosion until seven seconds after the bomb hit. So she should be saying "The bombs."

Additionally, she shouldn't really remember her crew dying, since she, herself, died in pretty much the same moment. Her insides were blown apart by the explosion, her superstructure collapsed inwards, and she sank almost immediately afterwards. So she should probably be saying "Just fire and pain and dying" (though I imagine with a stutter or pause before that last part).

It was only when Langley pulled away to wipe away tears, that you were released.
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The bolded comma is wrong and should be removed.


"Come back with me, Arizona," Langley held out her hand, "I can answer any questions you have."
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Been meaning to bring this one up for a while. As good as your writing is, you have consistently done the grammar for dialogue wrong. The bolded commas should be periods. The first spoken sentence ends on "Arizona", and is a complete sentence. "Langely held out her hand" is not (necessarily) indicating the speaker or even directly relevant to the act of speaking, so it is its own sentence, too.

This also applies whenever you do something like: "No," X shook her head. [[That's wrong. "X shook her head" is not indicating the speaker or the act of speaking. It is a separate action. Thus, written correctly, it should be: "No." X shook her head. Alternatively, you could write it as: "No," X said, shaking her head.]]

Anyway, that was a pretty touching update.
 
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Here the thing about the standards type of battleships which the USS Arizona is.

The USA at the time was very Isolationist. Add in the fact they we were mostly self sufficient our over sea interests were basically meh. We only cared about ourselves and as far as we were concerned everyone else could jump off a bridge.

So we really didn't need fast battleships to get where they were need since the farest thing we gave a fuck was Hawaii.


When you look at the other navy design you'll notice that their battleships had three or more top speeds between them. For example the Royal Navy had battleships that could only hit 18 knots to 26 knots. This can be a problem.

Why?

Because you never split the fleet if you can help it. So you will have these fast ships unable to take advantage of their speed cause of the slower ones. And considering that one way to get more speed was to put less armor... You get the point. You had a choice of going slow but have a lot of firepower or go fast and have six different fleets in a gagglefuck formations with a fraction of the escorts they need because you have to protect six different forces. These "fleets" attack at different times, so instead of being in one big fist it be a bunch of slaps.

It also made Fleet manvaures a pain to do cause everyone's turn radius was different so it increase the risk of ramming someone.

So when you add all those factors plus several more I don't feel like typing about you get an unique out look.

The way the USN felt was that they didn't need speed, remember this was before carriers, the enemy will have to come to them. And they will either come in one big group or several smaller groups.

The idea was that when they did that they'll meet one big force of ships all moving at the same speed and have the same turning area allow more options.

And if they didn't come to us, we'll come to them in one big fist of fuck you. Think of it as a glacier, the USN Standards will slowly killdoze it way to its enemy bases taking them over one by one. The enemy would then either have to fight out number or use its faster speed to run away. Where slower or later it will run out of room and have to fight out number also.

Clever ain't it?

So they decide on 21 knots cause that's how fast our newest ships, the Wyomings and New Yorks class, went. With that speed limited set the Navy basically traded speed for more protection and more firepower. Better to sit and brawl with.

This had the side effect of standardized tactics across the Navy so an admiral from the Pacifics fleets will have no problem fight with the Atlantic fleets. It also help with building the things.

That's the reasoning behind the Standard type battleships.
 
[X] Ask about how you came back
-[X] Ask about the man that Langley came with. Who is he?
 
wildredlifer said:
USS Vestal Was working On Ari on Dec 7 Prepping her for further upgrades She was in line to get radar and more AA.
USS Vestal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
She was moored right next to Ari on that day.
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She actually had the structural changes for the radar upgrades already installed; it seemed that they just hadn't actually put in the new equipment itself yet. The AA upgrades had already been performed:

Arizona's last fleet problem was off Hawaii in April–May 1940. At its conclusion, the United States Pacific Fleet was retained in Hawaiian waters, based at Pearl Harbor, to deter the Japanese.[41] She was overhauled at the Puget Sound Navy Yard, Bremerton, Washington, from October 1940 to January 1941. During this refit, her anti-aircraft armament was increased to twelve 5-inch guns, the foundation for a search radar was added atop her foremast, her anti-aircraft directors were upgraded and a platform for four water-cooled .50-inch (12.7 mm) caliber M2 Browning machine guns was installed at the very top of the mainmast.
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SaltyWaffles said:
Should be "a mother holding her child". There is no "their".

Also, the "is" is kind of unnecessary and messy, as it confuses the past-tense of the previous parts of the sentence...but it's not too big a deal. Your choice.
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Easily fixable.

SaltyWaffles said:
This is a little odd. Arizona was hit by four dive bombers, not one. And the fatal hit didn't result in the magazine explosion until seven seconds after the bomb hit. So she should be saying "The bombs."

Additionally, she shouldn't really remember her crew dying, since she, herself, died in pretty much the same moment. Her insides were blown apart by the explosion, her superstructure collapsed inwards, and she sank almost immediately afterwards. So she should probably be saying "Just fire and pain and dying" (though I imagine with a stutter or pause before that last part).
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The first part is intentional. Arizona doesn't quite remember correctly. Understandably so, in my mind. Though maybe that's just me.

Hmm...that might work better. On the other hand, she may be saying her crew dying because she knows they died with her. Either one could work, to me. Though again, easily fixable if needed.

SaltyWaffles said:
Been meaning to bring this one up for a while. As good as your writing is, you have consistently done the grammar for dialogue wrong. The bolded commas should be periods. The first spoken sentence ends on "Arizona", and is a complete sentence. "Langely held out her hand" is not (necessarily) indicating the speaker or even directly relevant to the act of speaking, so it is its own sentence, too.

This also applies whenever you do something like: "No," X shook her head. [[That's wrong. "X shook her head" is not indicating the speaker or the act of speaking. It is a separate action. Thus, written correctly, it should be: "No." X shook her head.]]
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Huh. I learned to use the commas. Has that really been wrong this whole time and no one has pointed that out? If so, man, failing on the part of my teachers back when I was learning grammar.

And if so, that's...well, easy enough to fix in theory, though it would take time for me to get used to doing so. Having been writing the way I have for coming on six years now.

Firefinder12-B said:
Here the thing about the standards type of battleships which the USS Arizona is.

The USA at the time was very Isolationist. Add in the fact they we were mostly self sufficient our over sea interests were basically meh. We only cared about ourselves and as far as we were concerned everyone else could jump off a bridge.

So we really didn't need fast battleships to get where they were need since the farest thing we gave a fuck was Hawaii.


When you look at the other navy design you'll notice that their battleships had three or more top speeds between them. For example the Royal Navy had battleships that could only hit 18 knots to 26 knots. This can be a problem.

Why?

Because you never split the fleet if you can help it. So you will have these fast ships unable to take advantage of their speed cause of the slower ones. And considering that one way to get more speed was to put less armor... You get the point. You had a choice of going slow but have a lot of firepower or go fast and have six different fleets in a gagglefuck formations with a fraction of the escorts they need because you have to protect six different forces. These "fleets" attack at different times, so instead of being in one big fist it be a bunch of slaps.

It also made Fleet manvaures a pain to do cause everyone's turn radius was different so it increase the risk of ramming someone.

So when you add all those factors plus several more I don't feel like typing about you get an unique out look.

The way the USN felt was that they didn't need speed, remember this was before carriers, the enemy will have to come to them. And they will either come in one big group or several smaller groups.

The idea was that when they did that they'll meet one big force of ships all moving at the same speed and have the same turning area allow more options.

And if they didn't come to us, we'll come to them in one big fist of fuck you. Think of it as a glacier, the USN Standards will slowly killdoze it way to its enemy bases taking them over one by one. The enemy would then either have to fight out number or use its faster speed to run away. Where slower or later it will run out of room and have to fight out number also.

Clever ain't it?

So they decide on 21 knots cause that's how fast our newest ships, the Wyomings and New Yorks class, went. With that speed limited set the Navy basically traded speed for more protection and more firepower. Better to sit and brawl with.

This had the side effect of standardized tactics across the Navy so an admiral from the Pacifics fleets will have no problem fight with the Atlantic fleets. It also help with building the things.

That's the reasoning behind the Standard type battleships.
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Also, this is important to understand Ari's design and how she has to fight. Nice post.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Huh. I learned to use the commas. Has that really been wrong this whole time and no one has pointed that out? If so, man, failing on the part of my teachers back when I was learning grammar.
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I've seen some authors doing it with no complaints or corrections from readers, and some who use full stop. I mix and match depending on action, myself.

I don't think it's 'wrong', per say, just a style someone is used to doing. If a person's meant to be performing an action while speaking, use comma. If there would be a pause in some way, full stop.
 
[x] Ask about how you came back.
-[x] Ask about the man that Langley came with. Who is he?

An Arizona Quest? Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. :D
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Huh. I learned to use the commas. Has that really been wrong this whole time and no one has pointed that out? If so, man, failing on the part of my teachers back when I was learning grammar.

And if so, that's...well, easy enough to fix in theory, though it would take time for me to get used to doing so. Having been writing the way I have for coming on six years now.
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Yes, you were taught wrong--or rather, you weren't taught these specific rules at all. You'll note a few things: one, most teachers of English in high schools will not be teaching how to write dialogue. They'll teach for standardized testing and academic writing.

Second, if you pick up novels and read them, they'll be formatted this way. There are standard rules.

And as for why no one has corrected you? Because it takes time and effort, and speaking from experience, half the time I do make the effort to teach correct grammar for this kind of thing, it either gets ignored or rejected because "that's not how they do things", or they just don't care enough to change. Well, that, and because of the reasons I listed above. Many don't know there are rules, or aren't sure about what those rules are.
 
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@Skywalker_T-65
Since it seems you saw my post before I edited something in there, I wanted to make sure you did see it, for clarification's sake.

Note the bolded part:
This also applies whenever you do something like: "No," X shook her head. [[That's wrong. "X shook her head" is not indicating the speaker or the act of speaking. It is a separate action. Thus, written correctly, it should be: "No." X shook her head. Alternatively, you could write it as: "No," X said, shaking her head.]]
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You can do that part pretty flexibly. Some examples:
"It's fine," X whispered with a quiet sigh.
"Shut up!" X yelled, his fists shaking with rage.
"Don't you dare," she hissed, glaring at him.

And so on.
 
Ask about how you came back.
-[x] Ask about the man that Langley came with. Who is he?
 
[x] Ask about how you came back.
-[x] Ask about the man that Langley came with. Who is he?

Still got nothing.
 
[x] Ask about how you came back.
-[x] Ask about the man that Langley came with. Who is he?

Just bum-rushed this and I am loving it. The feels just keep on coming. I think I'll just be keeping a box of tissues handy whenever I ready anything involving KC. So far I've wound up tearing up after... pretty much anything that deals with the feelings of these ships.

But yeah, this is really well done and I can't wait to read more. :D

Also. Langley. You brought The Momboat in. I give thee props sirrah.
Firefinder12-B said:
Here the thing about the standards type of battleships which the USS Arizona is.

The USA at the time was very Isolationist. Add in the fact they we were mostly self sufficient our over sea interests were basically meh. We only cared about ourselves and as far as we were concerned everyone else could jump off a bridge.

So we really didn't need fast battleships to get where they were need since the farest thing we gave a fuck was Hawaii.


When you look at the other navy design you'll notice that their battleships had three or more top speeds between them. For example the Royal Navy had battleships that could only hit 18 knots to 26 knots. This can be a problem.

Why?

Because you never split the fleet if you can help it. So you will have these fast ships unable to take advantage of their speed cause of the slower ones. And considering that one way to get more speed was to put less armor... You get the point. You had a choice of going slow but have a lot of firepower or go fast and have six different fleets in a gagglefuck formations with a fraction of the escorts they need because you have to protect six different forces. These "fleets" attack at different times, so instead of being in one big fist it be a bunch of slaps.

It also made Fleet manvaures a pain to do cause everyone's turn radius was different so it increase the risk of ramming someone.

So when you add all those factors plus several more I don't feel like typing about you get an unique out look.

The way the USN felt was that they didn't need speed, remember this was before carriers, the enemy will have to come to them. And they will either come in one big group or several smaller groups.

The idea was that when they did that they'll meet one big force of ships all moving at the same speed and have the same turning area allow more options.

And if they didn't come to us, we'll come to them in one big fist of fuck you. Think of it as a glacier, the USN Standards will slowly killdoze it way to its enemy bases taking them over one by one. The enemy would then either have to fight out number or use its faster speed to run away. Where slower or later it will run out of room and have to fight out number also.

Clever ain't it?

So they decide on 21 knots cause that's how fast our newest ships, the Wyomings and New Yorks class, went. With that speed limited set the Navy basically traded speed for more protection and more firepower. Better to sit and brawl with.

This had the side effect of standardized tactics across the Navy so an admiral from the Pacifics fleets will have no problem fight with the Atlantic fleets. It also help with building the things.

That's the reasoning behind the Standard type battleships.
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That's very, very useful information to have. Thank you for sharing!

Arizona. She's pretty. And sweet. And will punch your head clean off.
 
[x] Ask about how you came back.
-[x] Ask about the man that Langley came with. Who is he?
 
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