A Matter of Worth (Worm/Mighty Thor, alt-power, DEAD)

Both were true. I found some (not all) of the criticisms demoralizing, and it was worse because some (not all) had very valid points.

But so what? Why are we still harping on this? All these posts have an implicit "Brandon, you need to get over it" tone to them... but it's been three weeks! I've written 20k words for another story, published 14k more (to reasonably good response), set out a migration path for a $100k server upgrade, cooked a pair of high-quality steaks to perfection, beat a really frustrating fight in Divinity: Original Sin, *and* got a flying ERPPC kill shot in my VPR-B (though not both at the same time, obviously).

I'm over it. Life is good.


Damn that was a good laugh.

You a cool dude my man.
 
Both were true. I found some (not all) of the criticisms demoralizing, and it was worse because some (not all) had very valid points.

But so what? Why are we still harping on this? All these posts have an implicit "Brandon, you need to get over it" tone to them... but it's been three weeks! I've written 20k words for another story, published 14k more (to reasonably good response), set out a migration path for a $100k server upgrade, cooked a pair of high-quality steaks to perfection, beat a really frustrating fight in Divinity: Original Sin, *and* got a flying ERPPC kill shot in my VPR-B (though not both at the same time, obviously).

I'm over it. Life is good.



It is unfortunate that the story is kill, but flying ERPPC headshots are always impressive.
 
Apparently you've abandoned this but I just want to say that you're interpretation of how that mugger got addicted to Meth is some kind of eh. There's many recreational drug users for drugs such as meth or heroin, not everyone who uses them ends up on the streets fighting protagonists.
 
I've written 20k words for another story, published 14k more (to reasonably good response), set out a migration path for a $100k server upgrade, cooked a pair of high-quality steaks to perfection, beat a really frustrating fight in Divinity: Original Sin, *and* got a flying ERPPC kill shot in my VPR-B (though not both at the same time, obviously).
...the phrasing of that leaves me enough wiggle-room to imagine that you cooked those two steaks with the heat output from that ERPPC.

I enjoy that mental image quite a bit.
 
I wouldn't call it bullying... there's nothing to bully. That's what makes it so ridiculous. Frankly, it was just a "hey, look at me!" post.

Maybe @Valor is caught in a Grey Boy loop... it might explain why he's so out of touch. In which case, he deserves our sympathy and understanding.
It IS bullying though. Posts in User Fiction should have minimum word counts, to force people to actually think about what they write, so that if they are negative, they can be constructive, instead of idiotic.
 
I don't really care about anything else you write, or might write. I hope you get back and continue this story, as it was great for the few chapters.
 
No, that's just an asshole. I was referring to posts like mine(at least I'd like to think so), or several others who provided detailed criticism and suggested fixes (you might not have agreed all the issues raised were valid, but I'd like to think we were coherent enough not to get tarred with the same brush as that idiot.
 
No, that's just an asshole. I was referring to posts like mine(at least I'd like to think so), or several others who provided detailed criticism and suggested fixes (you might not have agreed all the issues raised were valid, but I'd like to think we were coherent enough not to get tarred with the same brush as that idiot.
Here's a little trick that I've found works quite well.

Compromise.

Look at the criticisms, figure out what you can change without killing the central premise of your story, and do a rewrite based on that. It does not have to adhere 100% to what the critics said, or even 90%. Just enough so that people can say, "Yeah, it could have turned out like that."

99 times out of 100, unless they're being unreasonable assholes, that'll do it.
 
Both were true. I found some (not all) of the criticisms demoralizing, and it was worse because some (not all) had very valid points.

But so what? Why are we still harping on this? All these posts have an implicit "Brandon, you need to get over it" tone to them... but it's been three weeks! I've written 20k words for another story, published 14k more (to reasonably good response), set out a migration path for a $100k server upgrade, cooked a pair of high-quality steaks to perfection, beat a really frustrating fight in Divinity: Original Sin, *and* got a flying ERPPC kill shot in my VPR-B (though not both at the same time, obviously).

I'm over it. Life is good.


Can I just point out that it is kinda ironic that the guy saying that in the meme was wrong to say it?
I mean, he was really wrong. To the point of incompetency, wrong.:V

Just saying.
 
Apparently you've abandoned this but I just want to say that you're interpretation of how that mugger got addicted to Meth is some kind of eh. There's many recreational drug users for drugs such as meth or heroin, not everyone who uses them ends up on the streets fighting protagonists.
Like one of every two people gets immediately addicted to Methamphetamine upon their first use of it. It's really insidious that way. So I actually found nothing at all unreasonable about the drug addict's behavior or backstory.
 
Okay people beat certain things to death by now multiple pages ago, but one thing that wasn't at all noted was the following. And yes I know this is a wee bit old but it is my first viewing of this, my apologies if it annoys anyone.

He doubted if even his son had the power to match one in open battle.
Whosoever holds this hammer, be she worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.

Now granted I may has missed something but in short Odin goes "Huh, my son the true Thor couldn't fight one in a all out battle so lets change this girl into a Thor and somehow she still pulls out a win without her very specific powers making it possible.". My question is.. How and why this would have worked? I glanced at the notes you left a few pages back and there are a few questions in there as well.

She fights and is as strong as Alexandria, though not as durable

How can someone be as strong but not as durable at those levels? That would mean every hit would cause them damage so they couldn't fight at their highest level for long if at all. And while Thor has some healing it isn't anything impressive by most standards so that would come into effect as well.

Which means Scion wouldn't be threatened unless she got yet another massive power up. Alexandria tanking a berserk and panic attack from Taylor (Thor) also is a question. I am left wondering did you mean she flies back and slams through a bunch of buildings but is fine or if she just impossibly stands there and shrugs it off. Which either way would make Taylor's ability to deal with Scion up in the air even more.

The "Using the lightning of the Earth, as in hundreds of strikes at once" is a nice touch and gives her one hell of a powerful ability but wouldn't that need need to get through Scions BS and possibly to his actual self? Sure portal can help there but without the coordination of everyone fighting him...

On a whole the story was a interesting read even with what I just mentioned and the drug thing. I would have asked for a drug test and for the cops to be called because to hell with submitting to that. Why she does so when she has so much power proves she is not only broken but should be unable to wield the hammer. It is an all around thing after all, Thor and Jane don't change who they are between outfits and holding it do they? Not really no, so her doing so yet still being able to use it is a bit odd.

Hopefully you eventually get a second wind and retcon one or two things and continue on because this did have potential.

As yes final thing, as you note this is from the whole Jane Thor thing that means Taylor should be able to travel at FTL speeds alone, and that isn't even getting into strength. I recall how she and Odin traded blows while traveling in space with the passing of planets in view. How anything could tag her is really questionable unless she is nerfed here as unlike Thor she doesn't really seem to be purposefully holding back a massive amount, which means she would later on have to be... I'll stop here, but still hope you continue this someday.
 
Now granted I may has missed something but in short Odin goes "Huh, my son the true Thor couldn't fight one in a all out battle so lets change this girl into a Thor and somehow she still pulls out a win without her very specific powers making it possible.". My question is.. How and why this would have worked?
The way I understand it, Odin wanted to fight the darn thing himself, but just in case (don't recall why exactly), he checked what was supposed to happen if he didn't intervene, and found out about Taylor/Khepri.

He still wants to do the big fight himself (and probably would, somehow), but he also decided that it's a bit unfair for Taylor, and decided to give her Thor's power as a consolation.

As such, there is no intention that Thor!Taylor is supposed to fight Scion at all; that's now Odin's territory.
 
He still wants to do the big fight himself (and probably would, somehow), but he also decided that it's a bit unfair for Taylor, and decided to give her Thor's power as a consolation.

As such, there is no intention that Thor!Taylor is supposed to fight Scion at all; that's now Odin's territory.

Ah, now that would make sense for that part. I didn't even think of it, after all it might be years and he seemed to want one now you know? Still good thought.
 
The way I understand it, Odin wanted to fight the darn thing himself, but just in case (don't recall why exactly), he checked what was supposed to happen if he didn't intervene, and found out about Taylor/Khepri.

He still wants to do the big fight himself (and probably would, somehow), but he also decided that it's a bit unfair for Taylor, and decided to give her Thor's power as a consolation.

As such, there is no intention that Thor!Taylor is supposed to fight Scion at all; that's now Odin's territory.
Ah, now that would make sense for that part. I didn't even think of it, after all it might be years and he seemed to want one now you know? Still good thought.
That was the opposite impression that I had.

When Odin looked at the Loom of Fate in preparation for his hunt, he saw with no uncertainty that Taylor Hebert was destined to kill one of the same beasts that Odin Himself had only slain two of.

But he also saw that the reason she had power to defeat the Entity, her shard, was also the reason why her 'triumph' was a farcry from the celebrations and feasting that heralded Odin's comparable feats. Her Fate mandated that she be dragged through years of fire and blood before confronting the Entity, and her reward for victory would be her near-total destruction in mind, body, and spirit, until finally she faded away in obscurity.

Odin did not particularly like that.
"My Lord, without her power, how will she oppose the beast?" Urd demanded.

He was silent for a long moment, amused. How little faith they had! He would correct that… through action. "Mine is the Way, the Wrath, and the Wonder," he rumbled. "I have more than enough of all three to lend to the aid of this girl-child."

"But Lord Odin-"

"You cannot fight all her battles for her, my King," Skuld interrupted. Her youthful gaze was firm, measuring. "Some foes lie beyond even your might."

He knew what she meant. "Aye. And such are the most important battles of all. I will not rob her of this. What I shall do is grant her the ability to meet this enemy without distraction."
He isn't handing Taylor victory on a silver platter, nor is he fixing all of her problems by giving her a 'nicer' form of power. Instead, he gave her power that she can literally prove herself Worthy of, and with it still the potential to defeat the Entity.

Remember, the whole reason for Odin taking notice was his shame at having left Midgard, particularly Jane Foster, to fend for themselves, and the story he saw of Taylor on the Loom of Fate is much the same. The fact that Taylor's Fate was to win doesn't matter nearly as much as everything it would cost her (and Midgard as a whole) in the process, and Odin wanted to help her without robbing her of what would have been a victory she earned for herself.

Think of it like that last exchange between Taylor and Contessa:
Speck 30.7 said:
"Would you do it all over again? Knowing what you know now? Knowing that you end up here, at gunpoint?"

"I… know I'm supposed to say yes," the words made their way past my lips. "But no. Some-somewhere along way, it became no."

"Just about everyone comes to this crossroad," she said. "Some get seventy years, some only get fifteen. Enough time to grow, to take stock of who you are. Enough time to do things you'll regret when you run out of time."

"Don't- don't regret it. Was- had to. Saved lives. But I would do different, given a chance."
The Taylor here doesn't know it, but in essence, that's what's happening. The goal is still the same, as is her resolve to see it through, but this time, by virtue of Odin's intervention, she has a chance to do it differently.
 

So the long and short of it is Odin, through guilt, decided a section of the multiverse for Earth is worth a chance for one single person to have a better life? While it sounds good the way you said it what it boils down to is what I just wrote. That is a monumental foolish and asshole move, granted it isn't so for Taylor but the risk it would involve...

Or he could have saw what would happen after he did that snip of fate and literally saw it works out so went ahead with his plan *shrugs*.
 
So the long and short of it is Odin, through guilt, decided a section of the multiverse for Earth is worth a chance for one single person to have a better life?
If you disregard all the people who had to suffer and/or die in the process of Taylor's journey to defeat Scion, up to and including the people who were directly killed while under Khepri's control? Then yes, Odin is an irresponsible bag of dicks placing one girl's happiness over the safety of a big chunk of alternate Earths.

While it sounds good the way you said it what it boils down to is what I just wrote.
Alright? Though in that same vein, 'Macbeth' sounded good the way Shakespeare wrote it, but that doesn't stop me from disparaging it by saying it boils down to, "Guy gets a nice promotion and his scheming bitch of a wife uses it to make him a worse person."

That is a monumental foolish and asshole move, granted it isn't so for Taylor but the risk it would involve...

Or he could have saw what would happen after he did that snip of fate and literally saw it works out so went ahead with his plan *shrugs*.
Could be, sure. I mean, I think it would be a bit weird if we heard from the start of a story that our protagonist was fate-ordained to achieve a Good End, so I don't think that would be a good scene. But if it sets your mind at ease, I'm 100% sure that if Odin thought it necessary, he could just go after Scion himself if he saw that this slice of alt-Earths was suddenly worse off for his decision to give Taylor a kind of power that won't destroy her.

Look, when Odin examined the Loom of Fate, he didn't just see 'Random mortal + power = dead Sníkjur'. He saw, with the kind of certainty that seems nigh-impossible to mortal minds, that it was Taylor Hebert that killed the parasite, and it was her parasite-granted power that merely gave her the ability to operate above the level of a 'normal' mortal. It was her will and her resolve that killed the parasite, not her specific power. Queen Administrator just happened to be the specific power that required Taylor to destroy herself for the sake of victory.

The power that Odin gave her is not like that. He sent that hammer down to the girl who would save her world and countless others, and it literally would not work if she became someone less than that. Could she do it differently, and less painfully? Yes! And that was the point of trading QA for Mjolnir in the first place.

Or, if we're boiling things down to as few words as possible, Odin saw Taylor's future heroism and sacrifice, and decided to give her power himself rather than let her go down a road dictated by powers that were inherently toxic to their holder.
 
How can someone be as strong but not as durable at those levels? That would mean every hit would cause them damage so they couldn't fight at their highest level for long if at all. And while Thor has some healing it isn't anything impressive by most standards so that would come into effect as well.
It's true that you need super-durability in order to use super-strength without breaking yourself. In fact, you need your super-durability to be at least as great as your super-strength.

But what happens if your durability exceeds your super-strength? Like, if you're ten times as strong as the strongest human, but a hundred times more damage-resistant?

Reading Worm, I kind of got the impression that Alexandria - and to a greater extent the Endbringers - had durability multiple orders of magnitude greater than their offensive capabilities. Yeah, someone like Leviathan can probably hit like a freight train... but he could get hit by an adamantium freight train going at fifty miles per second and probably not be hurt. Behemoth, at one point, get hits by an energy blasts described as powerful enough to devastate the Indian sub-continent - i.e., orders of magnitude stronger than the world's strongest nuke - and all it does him is cosmetic damage.

So, if someone had Alexandria's strength and proportionate resilience, I could totally believe Alexandria was more durable than them. Because I don't think Alexandria's strongest punch would hurt Alexandria at all.
 
This is great :D I'm particularly enjoying the characterizations, Taylor, Odin, Armsmaster and so on, they have all been riveting.
 
This is great :D I'm particularly enjoying the characterizations, Taylor, Odin, Armsmaster and so on, they have all been riveting.
It's also dead. Which begs the question of why people feel the need to keep dregging it up out of the archive.

I know that SV doesn't have a rule against necroing, but at some point, you just gotta let a dead thread lie.
 
It's also dead. Which begs the question of why people feel the need to keep dregging it up out of the archive.

I know that SV doesn't have a rule against necroing, but at some point, you just gotta let a dead thread lie.
The story itself might be dead, but the actual discussion directly relevant to the content of the story (when the author's mentioned that he might at one point get around to rebooting it one day after addressing what problems he's seen of it) is actually still helpful, since it given him more of an idea of what kind of interests and concerns people may have.
 
It's also dead. Which begs the question of why people feel the need to keep dregging it up out of the archive.

I know that SV doesn't have a rule against necroing, but at some point, you just gotta let a dead thread lie.
It's not much of a dead thread if I found it on front page.
 
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I know that SV doesn't have a rule against necroing, but at some point, you just gotta let a dead thread lie.

The story is dead but the thread hasn't been unresponsive for even a day now and you need a period of inactivity of around a week for people to consider something dead. Right now the story is on life support but it won't die until people stop pinging it.

People are still tagging the games we play over on spacebattles and that was completed a long time ago.
 
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