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I find Arturia unusually harsh, though I'll blame it on her not knowing how FUBAR everything is right now. I am guessing they would all be various degrees of horrified if they knew what was actually happening.

Kinda sad about the Dragon, since they are on our side, technically.
 
That depends a lot on the dragon, and keep in mind that Arturia Avalon herself is a Fae, not a dragon.
I didn't say that in relation to Arturia, I meant that due to the fact that it's the End Times, so everyone has to collectively (If not necessarily cooperatively) dunk on Chaos if they don't want to die.
Dragons aren't really exempt from this, unless it's a Chaos dragon, in which case we probably shouldn't eat this :stickouttongue2:
 
I didn't say that in relation to Arturia, I meant that due to the fact that it's the End Times, so everyone has to collectively (If not necessarily cooperatively) dunk on Chaos if they don't want to die.
Dragons aren't really exempt from this, unless it's a Chaos dragon, in which case we probably shouldn't eat this :stickouttongue2:
Not eating it is a waste of perfectly good meat.
 
Not eating it is a waste of perfectly good meat.

Definitely wouldn't call it good meat if it was a Chaos Dragon. That thing'd be horrifically Dhar infused all the way to the bones. Good odds that it'd just mutate and corrupt the villagers even further. Thankfully, though, I doubt it's a Chaos Dragon, it's probably one of the more normal wild dragons you find around the Old World. Now that you can eat
 
So this has been an interesting quest to catch up on as someone who knows almost nothing about Fate. I'm guessing from what I've seen so far it is indeed comparably dark and overpowered on par with the four Warhammers?
I mean we had someone go out and render a Dragon into a meal. Dragons being sapient and not typically chaos aligned in WHFB makes that a bit stomach churning.

Also kind of odd given...well wasn't the original Beowulf from his legend eaten BY a dragon?

EDIT: Would it be fair to compare most of our characters here to things like greater demons and godly incarnates like Alariel, Orion, Valten, and the like?
Or would it be more apropos to see them as more akin to Vampire Lords in terms of their abilities, that is far stronger and with access to information mortals have but still largely bound by known laws of the world and unable to leave it on a whim?

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So this has been an interesting quest to catch up on as someone who knows almost nothing about Fate. I'm guessing from what I've seen so far it is indeed comparably dark and overpowered on par with the four Warhammers?
I mean we had someone go out and render a Dragon into a meal. Dragons being sapient and not typically chaos aligned in WHFB makes that a bit stomach churning.

Also kind of odd given...well wasn't the original Beowulf from his legend eaten BY a dragon?

EDIT: Would it be fair to compare most of our characters here to things like greater demons and godly incarnates like Alariel, Orion, Valten, and the like?
Or would it be more apropos to see them as more akin to Vampire Lords in terms of their abilities, that is far stronger and with access to information mortals have but still largely bound by known laws of the world and unable to leave it on a whim?
So and so. Heroic spirits are in general incarnations of legends. (Its debatable if they are actually the soul of whoever was the base or just formed from enough belief, theres certainly some who have very little to do with real history or may have entirely fictional origins, as long as enough people believe in them). Once they have been summoned (they cant just come by themselves in general, they may not even exist as anything but "records" held by the world until called), however, they are mostly part of the world, and mostly constrained by its rules that dont relate to their personal abilities (which may work even if they shouldnt, like magic drawing on gods that arent around anymore). Depending on circumstance they may be able to take a spiritual form, but thats more turning invisible/intangible to mundane stuff, not retreating elsewhere.

How powerful they are is harder to say (you may want to avoid vs. debates involving fate, it gets intense) because semi-shounen anime, and will probably made to fit for fanfic, but generally hefty, more greater demon level than just some vampire.

For beowulf, he might have died to a dragon, but the dragon died too. He is famous for being a legendary dragonslayer, thats his legend, and so he is very effective against dragons, for example. The being legends affects them, so if enough people ascribe some power to them, they may have it, even if they lacked it in life. (Vlad III Tepes, for example, was extremely annoyed that the legend of dracula turned him into a vampire when he was no such thing in life).

Note, Artoria Avalon is the odd duck out here, shes not a human legend, but a farie that became this during the (extremely complicated) plot of fate grand order.
 
Its debatable if they are actually the soul of whoever was the base or just formed from enough belief, theres certainly some who have very little to do with real history or may have entirely fictional origins, as long as enough people believe in them

It's both basically, an actual soul is needed to form the base (and some of the more outlandish feats prescribed to them are justified by the setting going 'in the past there was more magic and people were stronger because it was the 'Age of Heroes') but then belief and myth and legend afterwards apply further shape to them.

Though it's often said that elements of a Heroic Spirit that are purely product of human belief are frequently weaker than those that have a basis in truth of some kind.

Nasuverse is a bit crazy...
 
It's both basically, an actual soul is needed to form the base (and some of the more outlandish feats prescribed to them are justified by the setting going 'in the past there was more magic and people were stronger because it was the 'Age of Heroes') but then belief and myth and legend afterwards apply further shape to them.

Though it's often said that elements of a Heroic Spirit that are purely product of human belief are frequently weaker than those that have a basis in truth of some kind.

Nasuverse is a bit crazy...
Wasn't there two version of Charlemagne because of that? One born from the legends and the real one?
 
Wasn't there two version of Charlemagne because of that? One born from the legends and the real one?
Yes, and its not entirely clear how much the legendary actually happened or not (charlemange is past the point where the last age of gods/high fantasy stuff in Europe ended with Arthur, but still in an age where there were quite a bit supernatural stuff was around), but since Charlemange the mythical paladin, and Charlemange/Karl der Große the historical King that unified Europe trough political skill are so different, he can be summoned in two versions.

Hes hardly the only one that has multiple possible manifestations, but with most who have that its a split between different ages or different parts of their abilities (like warrior and druid for Cu Chulain) not between mythic/fantasy and historic/human history.
 
Wasn't there two version of Charlemagne because of that? One born from the legends and the real one?
Heck to that, IIRC there are something like four or five different Heroic Spirits who are all counted as 'The Leader of the Wild Hunt' because the mythology of the Wild Hunt names so many different leaders at different periods in time.

EDIT: Also Grand Order fucks with things because the Lostbelts have a lot of Servants who are explicitly not from Human History as we know it at all, who are thus frequently only loosely based on what we know of them.
 
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How powerful they are is harder to say (you may want to avoid vs. debates involving fate, it gets intense) because semi-shounen anime, and will probably made to fit for fanfic, but generally hefty, more greater demon level than just some vampire.
My apologies since I'm not looking for conflict but... to my understanding Vampire Lords are not some bargin bin nosferatu's.
They tend to be the sorts who can raise and command the dead for miles around them and dodge canonballs with their speed and reflexes, not to mention controlling the weather and often having stupidly high amounts of physical strength, sometimes even higher for something like a strigoi lord which tends to be almost all muscles though the cost of less magic admittedly, or someone like a nechrarch lord in the opposite boat.

I didn't bring them up as mark to gauge for no reason. If I brought up someone like Teclis or Tyrion no one would assume I was talking about the abilities of a generic or weaker elf.
 
My apologies since I'm not looking for conflict but... to my understanding Vampire Lords are not some bargin bin nosferatu's.
They tend to be the sorts who can raise and command the dead for miles around them and dodge canonballs with their speed and reflexes, not to mention controlling the weather and often having stupidly high amounts of physical strength, sometimes even higher for something like a strigoi lord which tends to be almost all muscles though the cost of less magic admittedly, or someone like a nechrarch lord in the opposite boat.

I didn't bring them up as mark to gauge for no reason. If I brought up someone like Teclis or Tyrion no one would assume I was talking about the abilities of a generic or weaker elf.
Vampire lord is pretty vague though. Theyre not weak, but that includes everything from Vlad or Mannfred, who are just one stop short of the heaviest hitters, to generic vampire lords, who are massively below that.
 
Fair enough, stats vary greatly even among the generics by bloodlines not even including named character, just me being pretty lost on how to even begin gauging the abilities on these summoned fate characters I'm seeing for pretty much the first time😅
 
What kind of Dragon was it?

Shard Dragon?
Storm Dragon?
Ice Dragon?

Can Arturia use the Dragon Hide to make Magic Armour?

Bones and Teeth, Claws to make Magic Spears, Swords and Bows?

Dragon Blood to recreate the Siegfried Myth of Bath of Dragon Blood to Armour the Skin etc?

Dragon Heart to give someone a Magic Upgrade?

Would the Corpse have Eggs inside if they dig through it's Organs?
 
At least it wouldn't have been a Warpfire dragon given I think Bretonnia does not have much warpstone?
 
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