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A Hive for The Galaxy (Sci-Fi CK2-style Quest)

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[X] Have your allies/friends make an emotional/moral argument primarily, that the lives lost are well worth it for saving so many slaves and helping so many people.

Outrage doesn't usually stem from rational disagreement. As such logical arguments will get us nowhere on something like this. So let's try an appeal to emotion.

[X] Legally prosecute those directly guilty of crimes, while leaving the leaders and most important figures untouched to continue to grow the movement.

Rule of law must be maintained, but coming down hard on the group seems to reminiscent of the old regime. Even annoying dissidents have free speech rights after all.

[X] Leave it to Sol, taking no part in the occupation, might lead to decreased opinion, might be a smart choice, might not.

A war with no clear goals, end date, or victory condition? Let's not get involved in the Space Iraq War. After all, we've already accomplished our goals for that moon.
 
@The Laurent
Would the occupation of the moon allow us to research the superweapon our team killed, or is that at home with us/in joint custody with Sol right now?
 
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@The Laurent
Would the occupation of the moon allow us to research the superweapon our team killed, or is that at home with us/in joint custody with Sol right now?
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You have full possesssion of it. Getting involved with the moon *might* allow military options involving it, stewardship options (while trying to repair the economy of the system) or research options (peeking at the sort of stuff Sol has and trying to reverse engineer it).
 
[X] Have your allies/friends make an emotional/moral argument primarily, that the lives lost are well worth it for saving so many slaves and helping so many people.
-[X] Make use of the news agencies to get the word out on plight of the slaves saved, the projected trade improvement and the deaths prevented by the elimination of the pirates to support this.

[X] Legally prosecute those directly guilty of crimes, while leaving the leaders and most important figures untouched to continue to grow the movement.

[] Pirate's moon
I'm not entirely decided on this one, yet. Are we still trying to hide our connection with Sol, or is that out in the open by now?

edit: [X] Leave it to Sol, taking no part in the occupation, might lead to decreased opinion, might be a smart choice, might not.
 
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[] Have your news agencies release more information about the battle, making logical arguments that the casualties suffered were the least possible against these odds and that it was Bizentara's skill that allowed so many to survive.

Logical appeal doesn't work. If it did they'd be sharing the military's view that he did an amazing job.

[] Have your allies/friends make an emotional/moral argument primarily, that the lives lost are well worth it for saving so many slaves and helping so many people.

This might work pretty well since the opposition is emotionally rooted

[] Make a personal appeal, resting on your own authority and popularity as Speaker in order to help Captain Bizentara.

Leverage our personal popularity...well if this goes bust we go bust with it

[] Suppress the movement, both through the law courts and prosecuting those you find that are guilty, and through internal security and propaganda aimed at undermining their cause and their beliefs.

This could backfire pretty badly, given the ideals of our revolution.

[] Legally prosecute those directly guilty of crimes, while leaving the leaders and most important figures untouched to continue to grow the movement.

This is a bandaid, not good.

[] Aim propaganda at the leadership of the movement, but do not prosecute the grunts/low-level figures who are the ones doing the actual crimes, with or without the leaderships' knowledge.

The Rulers are unlikely to be happy about this, but at the same time this would be the more effective long term.

[] Take no action. A few hundred thousand or a few million is nothing, a startlingly small and irrelevant movement that barely rates on a population chart. It'll blow over.

That's just asking for it to grow.

[X] Have your allies/friends make an emotional/moral argument primarily, that the lives lost are well worth it for saving so many slaves and helping so many people.
-[X] Make use of the news agencies to get the word out on plight of the slaves saved, the projected trade improvement and the deaths prevented by the elimination of the pirates to support this.
[X] Aim propaganda at the leadership of the movement, but do not prosecute the grunts/low-level figures who are the ones doing the actual crimes, with or without the leaderships' knowledge.
[X] Jointly occupy it with Sol. While the force that Gazinitah sent and the money it would spend would be relatively token, as would the aid provided, it would be something of a drain, but it would allow them to share in the success or failure of the enterprise, and might win points with Sol. Lose several frigates/corvettes temporarily, until occupation ends. Lose 25 Wealth a turn in the Military category, 25 Wealth a turn in the general budget. Might have opportunities later, might have problems later.

This is a potential profit source at least.
 
[X] Have your allies/friends make an emotional/moral argument primarily, that the lives lost are well worth it for saving so many slaves and helping so many people.
[X] Legally prosecute those directly guilty of crimes, while leaving the leaders and most important figures untouched to continue to grow the movement.

Others have already argued for these.

[X] Leave it to Sol, taking no part in the occupation, might lead to decreased opinion, might be a smart choice, might not.

The moon, if we wish to do it properly, will not only take resources but more importantly actions that we need to spend on Gazintah. We're also just finally stepping up on the international stage so let's not be too hasty especially an occupation with forces that would be inexperienced in it.
 
[X] Have your allies/friends make an emotional/moral argument primarily, that the lives lost are well worth it for saving so many slaves and helping so many people.
-[X] Make use of the news agencies to get the word out on plight of the slaves saved, the projected trade improvement and the deaths prevented by the elimination of the pirates to support this.
[X] Aim propaganda at the leadership of the movement, and DO prosecute the grunts/low-level figures who are the ones doing the actual crimes, with or without the leaderships' knowledge.
[X] Jointly occupy it with Sol. While the force that Gazinitah sent and the money it would spend would be relatively token, as would the aid provided, it would besomething of a drain, but it would allow them to share in the success or failure of theenterprise, and might win points with Sol. Lose severalfrigates/corvettes temporarily, untiloccupation ends. Lose 25 Wealth a turn in the Military category, 25 Wealth a turn in the general budget. Might have opportunities later, might have problems later.

Are you kidding? They committed crimes, so they should be arrested. Anything else is saying that we support it. At the same time, if we leave the leaders untouched, then the movement will only grow. We must use propaganda and the prosecute those ACTUALLY guilty, while not suppressing them in the same way as the old regime.
 
I'm looking, and I can't believe I can say this, but other than in Military Options, the option-growth for next turn might finally start to be dying down! Still some slight growth in some areas, but others have slightly contracted, and most stayed about the same, overall. Either way, I'm a little bit stunned by it, I admit. Good on you guys!

I can't do all of them yet, since your vote matters, for one, so what I had been doing was just looking at what was coming down the pipeline and what might need an option/vote.
 
[X] Have your allies/friends make an emotional/moral argument primarily, that the lives lost are well worth it for saving so many slaves and helping so many people.
-[X] Make use of the news agencies to get the word out on plight of the slaves saved, the projected trade improvement and the deaths prevented by the elimination of the pirates to support this.
[X] Legally prosecute those directly guilty of crimes, while leaving the leaders and most important figures untouched to continue to grow the movement.
[X] Leave it to Sol, taking no part in the occupation, might lead to decreased opinion, might be a smart choice, might not.

I like the write-in and we need to adhere to the rule of law, our rule of law, and I don't trust our military with occupational duties just yet.
 
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I like the write-in and we need to adhere to the rule of law, our rule of law, and I don't trust our military with occupational duties just yet.
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You could go with my write in, so we deal with the leadership, and the grunts. If we leave the leaders untouched, they will just continue to be a problem.
 
[X] Have your allies/friends make an emotional/moral argument primarily, that the lives lost are well worth it for saving so many slaves and helping so many people.
-[X] Make use of the news agencies to get the word out on plight of the slaves saved, the projected trade improvement and the deaths prevented by the elimination of the pirates to support this.
[X] Aim propaganda at the leadership of the movement, but do not prosecute the grunts/low-level figures who are the ones doing the actual crimes, with or without the leaderships' knowledge.
[X] Jointly occupy it with Sol. While the force that Gazinitah sent and the money it would spend would be relatively token, as would the aid provided, it would be something of a drain, but it would allow them to share in the success or failure of the enterprise, and might win points with Sol. Lose several frigates/corvettes temporarily, until occupation ends. Lose 25 Wealth a turn in the Military category, 25 Wealth a turn in the general budget. Might have opportunities later, might have problems later.
 
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[X] Aim propaganda at the leadership of the movement, but do not prosecute the grunts/low-level figures who are the ones doing the actual crimes, with or without the leaderships' knowledge.
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[X] Aim propaganda at the leadership of the movement, but do not prosecute the grunts/low-level figures who are the ones doing the actual crimes, with or without the leaderships' knowledge.
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I would like to point out, that you are choosing not to prosecute people who are committing crimes. We are showing approval for there actions by not giving them any consequences for breaking the law. It isn't like we are putting them on trail based on flimsy or falsified excuses, they are actually commuting crimes, and we aren't going to do anything about it? This WILL bite us in the ass later.
 
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Dark Ness said:
I agree, but we can do both. Also, allowing people to get away with this without any consequences when they are breaking the law shows that we approve of their actions, which is definitely a bad thing.
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That would be the [] Suppress the movement option, which specifically mentions both prosecuting those that commit actual crimes, and sending propaganda at the leadership.
 
The Fleet Returns and Palace Break-Ins votes are now Closed.

Pirates' Moon vote is currently tied and thus still open.

@Arkatekt - the Sol-Gazinitah connection is relatively out in the open at this point.
 
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Thank you. Vote updated with [] Leave it to Sol, taking no part in the occupation, might lead to decreased opinion, might be a smart choice, might not.
 
Vote Locked!

And now, while Laurent writes up the result post, something slightly different.
 
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Ship Names Vote
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    • NAMING THE SHIPS

    Your navy has acquired a good number of new hulls as a result of the victory over the Pirates' Moon. At this moment those that were only lightly damaged are being refitted with Gazinith equipment- any repair crew will tell you that standardization is important; taken for granted when it's there, yes, but capable of making work truly nightmarish when it's absent. They'll be ready for service in a few months; the others, the ones that received heavier damage or were wrecked and then retrieved to be repaired, will take longer.

    All of these ships, however, need new names!

    Heavy Cruisers: the three Restitution class heavy cruisers. It'll be at least a year before any of them are ready for service, but they will most certainly be a valuable boon to your navy. Other powers' last-generation vessels are on a par with the best you currently have, after all. Pick three, and mark one of your choices as the class name in Gazinith service.

    [] Relentless
    [] Renown
    [] Reprisal
    [] Repulse
    [] Resistance
    [] Resolution
    [] Revolution
    [] Retaliation
    [] Retribution
    [] Write-in! Though please keep your suggestions in line with the present theme.

    The rest will be done a little differently- instead, you'll be voting on a general concept or theme for the names of each class, and once those are established the names will be generated. Each of the following four groups needs their own choice:
    • Caveat class light cruisers (4)
    • Praetor class light cruiser (1)
    • Tort class destroyers (4)
    • Writ class frigates (5)
    Pick four from the following list, and indicate which you assign to which group.
    [ ] Antiquated military concepts/weapons
    [ ] Cites and towns on Gazinitah
    [ ] Famous Xvorzit
    [ ] Freedom/Liberty theme
    [ ] Mountains on Gazinitah
    [ ] Planets and Moons in Gazinith space
    [ ] Rivers on Gazinitah
    [ ] Weather Conditions (more specific ones)
    [ ] Write-in: propose a concept (subject to co-QMs' yea or nay, admittedly)


    A/N:

    The Laurent: I've gotten the turn options done, but not the opening bit of writing, and as McClenahan pointed out, naming the ships didn't really fit within the framework of the turn vote, so the idea is that you'll vote on this while I have work the next two days and also work on the opening writing of the next turn. M'kay?

    McClenahan: We just thought it'd be a fun to let you vote on the naming. Fringe benefit for me: next time Gazinith ships get destroyed, I won't be the only one suffering the pain of seeing ships I named go boom.
     
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    • Heavy Cruiser
    [X] Resistance (Class)
    [X] Resolution
    [X] Revolution

    Other ships
    [X] Freedom/Liberty theme (Caveat Light Cruisers)
    [X] Famous Xvorzit (Praetor Light Cruiser)
    [X] Planets and Moons in Gazinith space (Tort Destroyers)
    [X] Antiquated military concepts/weapons (Writ Frigates)
     
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    [X] Resolution
    [X] Resistance (Class)
    [X] Retribution

    [X] Freedom/Liberty theme (Caveat Light Cruisers)
    [X] Cites and towns on Gazinitah (Praetor Light Cruiser)
    [X] Planets and Moons in Gazinith space (Tort Destroyers)
    [X] Antiquated military concepts/weapons (Writ Frigates)
     
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