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Bleach: Derailed

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DarkKing98 said:
Komamura gets more points for actually keeping at the job even with his Bankai on a personal level to me.

Wasn't Tousen Aizen's left hand man? I'd say he distracted an important ally of his. Especially how helpful he'd be against the Zero Squad.
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Tousen may have had slightly more authority than Barragan, but that didn't make him more useful/important to Aizen. Tousen was just more loyal and easily controlled (also the only one of Aizne's subordinates not under his illusions, so placing him higher on the pecking order mitigated an unnecessary headache).

Barragan would have been way more useful against the Zero Squad. Literally the only thing that was able to hurt him was himself. The amount of bullshit that guy just shrugged off was staggering. Tousen, on the other hand, actually became weaker once he transformed. He gained the ability to see and immediately left himself open to a lieutenant. Not even a captain.
 
Vicjer said:
Barragan would have been way more useful against the Zero Squad. Literally the only thing that was able to hurt him was himself. The amount of bullshit that guy just shrugged off was staggering. Tousen, on the other hand, actually became weaker once he transformed. He gained the ability to see and immediately left himself open to a lieutenant. Not even a captain.
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On the note of the Zero Squad I was actually disappointed with their performance all given, that guy had it in the bag until like a dumbass he explained to Ywach his power which thanks to the 'almighty' power the Quincy Emperor was able to then counter it.

On the Subject of Tousen being defeatedd by a lieutenant it was more of Tite Kubo didn't believe he had a reason to keep Tousen around anymore and decided neither did Aizen, so yeah Aizen is to blame, or Kubo depending on whether or not Tite Kubo is an illusion created by Aizen
 
Vicjer said:
Tousen may have had slightly more authority than Barragan, but that didn't make him more useful/important to Aizen. Tousen was just more loyal and easily controlled (also the only one of Aizne's subordinates not under his illusions, so placing him higher on the pecking order mitigated an unnecessary headache).

Barragan would have been way more useful against the Zero Squad. Literally the only thing that was able to hurt him was himself. The amount of bullshit that guy just shrugged off was staggering. Tousen, on the other hand, actually became weaker once he transformed. He gained the ability to see and immediately left himself open to a lieutenant. Not even a captain.
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Remember the guy who can warp reality by writing?

You can't write what you can't see and feel.
 
[X] Deal with things on your own as best you can

Masaki is best mom, no way we're taking up a different name.
 
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qsurf said:
So was Omaeda, however, do remember how much focus we've put into Hoho in our studies and remember just how fast Ichigo learns when he has the motivation to.

Also, politics and favours.


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An overly large knife, like in canon. It's right there in your quote.
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Are we sure it isn't the smaller knife like Zanpakuto that he gets near the end of the series.
 
ShyGuy said:
Are we sure it isn't the smaller knife like Zanpakuto that he gets near the end of the series.
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TPK said:
The underground training room is scarred, a massive trench cut down its middle. The wisps of spiritual power left over from the attack that caused it still linger on your sword's blade. It's an overlarge knife now in truth, the blade angled like something used to gut or fillet meat, black all over except for a bright angled edge. The handle lacks a real hilt, instead just being steel wrapped in cloth.
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Pretty sure Overlarge describes as Big.
 
[X] Deal with things on your own as best you can

Quite a few people chose Accept the Name because it'd make things easier and let us avoid annoying Soifon.

Well, announcing that we're a Shiba will make things easier at first, but will also give Byakuya a murderboner the size of at least five trucks, making them even more difficult later on. The one time he met someone in canon who used the name, he gave him a 1000 Cuts treatment, and would've killed him if he hadn't been interrupted by Ukitake. And that was towards a guy who wasn't even a combatant, much less a threat. I'd rather annoy a captain than make another (future?) one despise my very existence.
 
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Akasha said:
Well, announcing that we're a Shiba will make things easier at first, but will also give Byakuya a murderboner the size of at least five trucks, making them even more difficult later on. The one time he met someone in canon who used the name, he gave him a 1000 Cuts treatment, and would've killed him if he hadn't been interrupted by Ukitake. And that was towards a guy who wasn't even a combatant, much less a threat. I'd rather annoy a captain than make another (future?) one despise my very existence.
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I'm pretty sure that had more to do with the fact that they invaded the Seireitei than Ganju being a Shiba. I don't think Byakuya really cares that much. He's just super zealous towards murdering criminals the fuck to death.

Then again, it's been a while since I read those parts of Bleach. My memory is a bit hazy there.
 
He wanted him dead for breaking the law. He decided to do it with his Shikai out of respect for his family name.

So being a Shiba, in and of itself, shouldn't piss him off.
 
...are we sure? I mean, a simple decapitation would have been a far swifter and less painful death than cutting him up and leaving him to bleed to death.
 
Prospalz said:
Remind me, when that happened?
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During the Invasion of Soul Society Arc, when Hanatarou and Ganju cross the bridge to the tower Rukia is in and get her out, Byakuya shows up and is an all-around asshole. At some point Ganju decides to face him, and reveals that he's a Shiba. Byakuya immediately goes from "but mah law, I gotta LAW" to "well, bro, you broke mah LAW, so nobody's going to look too deep into this..." and activates his Shikai just so he can do this instead of a simple stab or two(which he tries to do to Ichigo every time they fight, even though he's an actual threat, unlike Ganju, and the one Byakuya blamed for getting Rukia into trouble). Then he goes to finish him off, but is interrupted by Ukitake, who randomly shows up at the bridge.
 
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Byakuya is really big about not releasing his blade unless he actually needs to, and even then holds back (not using his arms, his bankai having two more advanced forms that he only pulls out in special occasions, etc). It's a sign of both his opponent's ability and his respect for them to release his blade. Sure, he could kill Ganju with his unreleased blade...but that would reduce him to the level of common rabble. Ganju was a Shiba, so he elevated him to a level beyond his combat capabilities out of sheer respect.

Bya-kun is also tsundere as fuck. It's hard to cut someone in half and not kill them. However, using his shikai to cut Ganju up is actually less absolutely lethal. Because he doesn't want Rukia to have to watch another Shiba die in front of her, he just messes him up real bad, makes him look all bloody and whatnot, and leaves no excuse for anyone to summarily kill Ganju instead of capturing him and executing him later when Rukia wont have to watch (glossing over how that's because she's dead).

You always have to dig a little to parse what Bya-kun's real motivation is. His stated motivation is almost always, at best, a half-truth, because at heart Byakuya isn't a stoic, law abiding, heart of stone type. He's really a deeply emotional, hot-blooded, blood knight who is pretending really, really hard that he's a paragon of soul society nobility.
 
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[X] Accept Kukaku's offer and take the Shiba name
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[X] Deal with things on your own as best you can
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[x] Go up the ladder with the Omaeda connection.
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Diomedon said:
Byakuya is really big about not releasing his blade unless he actually needs to, and even then holds back (not using his arms, his bankai having two more advanced forms that he only pulls out in special occasions, etc). It's a sign of both his opponent's ability and his respect for them to release his blade. Sure, he could kill Ganju with his unreleased blade...but that would reduce him to the level of common rabble. Ganju was a Shiba, so he elevated him to a level beyond his combat capabilities out of sheer respect.

Bya-kun is also tsundere as fuck. It's hard to cut someone in half and not kill them. However, using his shikai to cut Ganju up is actually less absolutely lethal. Because he doesn't want Rukia to have to watch another Shiba die in front of her, he just messes him up real bad, makes him look all bloody and whatnot, and leaves no excuse for anyone to summarily kill Ganju instead of capturing him and executing him later when Rukia wont have to watch (glossing over how that's because she's dead).

You always have to dig a little to parse what Bya-kun's real motivation is. His stated motivation is almost always, at best, a half-truth, because at heart Byakuya isn't a stoic, law abiding, heart of stone type. He's really a deeply emotional, hot-blooded, blood knight who is pretending really, really hard that he's a paragon of soul society nobility.
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Bit hard to see that especially since this part of the story is at way waaayyy earlier before the Turn Back the Pendulum arc. Most people would have certainly forgot about it.

[X] Deal with things on your own as best you can
 
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