Bleach: Derailed

You don't want Zangetsu to bitch because we have him sealed? Well to bad. That demonstrates poor control.
It doesn't really demonstrate poor control as it is honestly just a vote for our preference of having Zangestu sealed or not sealed also it would be better to not antagonize him considering that he could actively choose to screw us over if he ever felt like it.
 
It doesn't really demonstrate poor control as it is honestly just a vote for our preference of having Zangestu sealed or not sealed also it would be better to not antagonize him considering that he could actively choose to screw us over if he ever felt like it.
The spirit shrugs. "I had this whole speech planned, about how I'd only be the horse supporting you until I had the chance to become the king on top, but it's not exactly relevant any more."
Those fears are no longer relevant.
 
It doesn't really demonstrate poor control as it is honestly just a vote for our preference of having Zangestu sealed or not sealed also it would be better to not antagonize him considering that he could actively choose to screw us over if he ever felt like it.
So afraid of Zangetsu getting us killed.

When he doesn't want us to die.

Think. Just think. For the good of the people that interact with you, think.
 
Or, it just means that the ability is uncontrollable.
And if it is uncontrollable, this leads to two conclusions/hypotheses:
a) There are some Zanpakutou Spirits that cannot be controlled at all, which allows us to point at Zangetsu for having pride large enough to not be constrained until we gain more power and earn his full respect.
b) Uncontrollable Shikai abilities could lead to uncontrollable Shikai forms, and again, once Ichigo figures out Zangetsu's ability In Character (whether or not it will be the canon ability will be up to the QM) then we could have another reason as to why Ichigo is unable to Seal Zangetsu, for the moment.

Leaning on these two as excuses to never work on sealing Ichigo's zanpakutou is not an option, as Ichigo and Zangetsu themselves would never allow themselves to stop improving.
 
And if it is uncontrollable, this leads to two conclusions/hypotheses:
a) There are some Zanpakutou Spirits that cannot be controlled at all, which allows us to point at Zangetsu for having pride large enough to not be constrained until we gain more power and earn his full respect.
b) Uncontrollable Shikai abilities could lead to uncontrollable Shikai forms, and again, once Ichigo figures out Zangetsu's ability In Character (whether or not it will be the canon ability will be up to the QM) then we could have another reason as to why Ichigo is unable to Seal Zangetsu, for the moment.

Leaning on these two as excuses to never work on sealing Ichigo's zanpakutou is not an option, as Ichigo and Zangetsu themselves would never allow themselves to stop improving.
You are trying VERY hard to be a show off, aren't you? Just face the facts. What you want isn't the best way to graduate as quickly as possible.
 
a) There are some Zanpakutou Spirits that cannot be controlled at all, which allows us to point at Zangetsu for having pride large enough to not be constrained until we gain more power and earn his full respect.
Which we have gained.
b) Uncontrollable Shikai abilities could lead to uncontrollable Shikai forms, and again, once Ichigo figures out Zangetsu's ability In Character (whether or not it will be the canon ability will be up to the QM) then we could have another reason as to why Ichigo is unable to Seal Zangetsu, for the moment.
Their is a difference between improving, and showing off. After all Ichigo is fully able to Seal Zangetsu the Vote isn't for weather or not we can but weather we will. After all if were powerful but don't/cant reign it in well we wont be allowed to the real world because we could cause bad things to happen just by being there.
 
You're being aggressively insulting. Piss off and let people play the game the way they want to. You're making people not want to participate in the discussion.
Hello pot, my name is kettle.

Also, they don't need to be involved in the...I really wouldn't call it discussion so much as two idiots screaming at each other with the occasional person adding their own two cents.
 
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Their is a difference between improving, and showing off. After all Ichigo is fully able to Seal Zangetsu the Vote isn't for weather or not we can but weather we will. After all if were powerful but don't/cant reign it in well we wont be allowed to the real world because we could cause bad things to happen just by being there.
Interesting. And what if the majority of the time that we spend with Zangetsu unsealed is in private, assuming that we could choose where he'd be released and for how long? I mean, 8 hours of sleep, 2 hours of private study, maybe 2 hours of private training which equates to half a day in private with Zangetsu in his released form?

Trying not to be difficult, just trying to see if there's a middle ground somewhere.
 
Interesting. And what if the majority of the time that we spend with Zangetsu unsealed is in private, assuming that we could choose where he'd be released and for how long? I mean, 8 hours of sleep, 2 hours of private study, maybe 2 hours of private training which equates to half a day in private with Zangetsu in his released form?

Trying not to be difficult, just trying to see if there's a middle ground somewhere.
I honestly believe that is not showing off. A compromise I'm willing to agree on. Unfortunately no write ins.
 
, i'm just saying that going out of our way to annoy Zangetsu has no purpose when he could seal our power or find other ways to make our life difficult.
Your argument has turned into fearmongering without a real reason why we should be afraid of it.
Interesting. And what if the majority of the time that we spend with Zangetsu unsealed is in private, assuming that we could choose where he'd be released and for how long? I mean, 8 hours of sleep, 2 hours of private study, maybe 2 hours of private training which equates to half a day in private with Zangetsu in his released form?

Trying not to be difficult, just trying to see if there's a middle ground somewhere.
Personally I simply want to not have anything forcibly come up before showing Kukaku so that we can set up getting letters to and from Ichigo's Family.
Even if we could or choose to reign it in we probably would still get a limiter put on us the same way captains and lieutenants would.
Not having the desire or means to control ourselves is not going to help in a military/police organization.
 
[X] Let Zangetsu stay released
[X] Admit you have it if asked

Here's the thing: Remember that comment Yachiru gave in literally the update before this one? About how or blade is 'Proud?' Which does, indeed, fit Zangetsu to a T. She also equates it with her own blade/herself (Because Yachiru is weird).

Zangetsu wants to show off. That's why he's straining against the normal shape of his unreleased state. After all, Zangetsu is Ichigo's instincts, his will to fight, battle, win and survive. He is the epitome of the thing that makes Ichigo a fighter, and like any being comprised of battle honed instincts, he hates being restrained. In the grand scheme of things, letting him stay in a released state is a step towards accepting Zangetsu as a part of ourselves. Forcing him to stay unreleased, retraining him, is like symbolically restraining a part of ourselves.

Some people lend themselves towards that. But Ichigo? He might not say much, and be a bit humble, but when it comes down to it, he is a proud, stubborn motherfucker. He'd buck just as much as Zangetsu at the thought of being kept from doing something he thought was important.
 
I wish we could have had more flexibility in this. Fuck, I'm changing my vote:
[] Keep Zangetsu unreleased
[] Only tell Kukaku about it
 
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Also, many other Zanpaktou are prideful but you don't see any other shinigami having theirs in Shikai the entire fucking time.
Wasn't it commonly believed that Zaraki's zanpakutou was constantly unsealed despite him not knowing its name due to his sheer amount of power?
Sure, Zaraki is not the best example to emulate (unless you are a rabid fanboy like me), but there's precedent.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Aizen had his Shikai up all the time, but then again no one would know if he did.
 
Wasn't it commonly believed that Zaraki's zanpakutou was constantly unsealed despite him not knowing its name due to his sheer amount of power?
Sure, Zaraki is not the best example to emulate (unless you are a rabid fanboy like me), but there's precedent.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Aizen had his Shikai up all the time, but then again no one would know if he did.
It was believed, but ultimately its proven wrong. For that's not a giant axe he's wielding.

Also, you are right that he's not the best example. Especially since having your Shikai released means you are either expecting or looking for a fight.

Yeah. Guess who probably caused that social norm.

As for Aizen, we really don't know, so I can't say.
 
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