Kaleidophoenix
Reforged from the ashes of shattered glass
- Location
- United States
[x] Let Zangetsu stay released
[x] Only tell Kukaku about it
[x] Only tell Kukaku about it
Bleach: Derailed
- Thread starter TPK
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UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
No write-ins though.
- Location
- Australia
You're voting for the wrong thing. If the IC thing is to not hide it, then you need to vote to let him stay in his released form. You're not voting for that.[X] Keep Zangetsu unreleased
[X] Admit you have it if asked
Ichigo needs to graduate ASAP, it's not IC if he hides it. It's probably worth extra class credits after all.
- Location
- Staring into the void
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Mors
Searching for immanence
Au contraire, keeping it released is bragging, or worse - showing a lack of skill. Ichigo doesn't need that. Instructors will notice his shikai regardless, and they matter. Mastering your shikai is a seated officer level skill, and Ichigo needs to get on that train.
- Location
- Texas
[X] Let Zangetsu stay released
[X] Admit you have it if asked
If we're trying to graduate fast, we need to impress people. That means we need to show off being awesome. Having a shikai already is awesome. Being so strong we can keep it unreleased all the time is both awesome and attention-getting, which is what we want.
Plus, Yachiru already suggested the sword was proud and wanted to show off, and she knows more about it than Ichigo.
[X] Admit you have it if asked
If we're trying to graduate fast, we need to impress people. That means we need to show off being awesome. Having a shikai already is awesome. Being so strong we can keep it unreleased all the time is both awesome and attention-getting, which is what we want.
Plus, Yachiru already suggested the sword was proud and wanted to show off, and she knows more about it than Ichigo.
- Location
- USA
[X] Keep Zangetsu unreleased
This keeps us as "king" in the relationship the whole point of being in control.
[X] Admit you have it if asked
Also I think people are confused which is which.
This keeps us as "king" in the relationship the whole point of being in control.
[X] Admit you have it if asked
Also I think people are confused which is which.
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RoninSword
Sky God
- Location
- Canada
So outside of letting everyone know that we have Shikai years earlier than most people ever get it, does keeping it permanently released actually make a difference to Zangetsu? It being a smaller sword just sounds easier in many ways, but I don't know enough about Bleach to know how significant this is.
plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
Unreleased Zangetsu isn't actually small.
It's about the same size, just more typically sword shaped.
Ichigo doesn't have the skills to shrink the sealed form.
Well:
-Captain and Lieutenant class people can 'feel' if you have a certain level of development. It's not clear how, but it's possible.
-Going around with it restrained may or may not make it harder to get through to the sword. While it likes to dangle outside full sized, it also said to call upon it only when we really need to.
-Going around with it released outside of combat is a sign of poor discipline and self control. This reduces the probability of being allowed to visit the mortal world, because unrestrained spirit energy can have side effects on the mortal environment.
-Going around with it unreleased may or may not improve control.
Akatsunami
The Bonetatoist
- Location
- Brazil
[X] Keep Zangetsu unreleased
[X] Admit you have it if asked
[X] Admit you have it if asked
Daniella_c2
Commie Ice fairy
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Let Zangetsu stay released
[X] Admit you have it if asked
[X] Admit you have it if asked
And yet kings have been overthrown by those they control. Or to put it another way, in my culture, there's a saying, "Kgosi ke Kgosi ka batho." Or translated, "A King is King through his people." Zangetsu acknowledges us as King, we don't need to further drive the point home.
Then there's the fact that Zangetsu is Ichigo, remember how Ichigo in the beginning acted when people tried to stamp him down with authority? Treating him like a purer version of Ichigo would be the best thing going forward, giving him enough play to let him know that he is a partner in our life, but enough control that his acknowledgement of us as King is affirmed. His true release is the first step of that, let him show off for half a year or so, then we slowly get him used to the unreleased state and that no one will ever forget that he is Zangetsu.
Explaining that our Zanpakutou is crazy willful is enough of an explanation for the teachers, as they should have achieved shikai and got to know their swords' quirks.
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- Location
- Texas
People who are capable of running around with a released sword all the time are super-rare. Most shinigami don't have the spiritual wattage to do that; they can only release their swords for a little while in order to fight, and then need to seal them again to recharge.
Basically, the only people in the show who run around with unsealed blades are Ichigo and Kenpachi Zaraki. Kenpachi is arguably a false positive; his sword isn't baseline, but it's not his actual shikai release either.
There are also a lot of people whose shikai powers would be really inconvenient to have active all the time. Like, Rangiku's shikai release is that her sword turns into a cloud of fine, ash-like particles that she can murder people with. It's a lot easier to transport a sword than a cloud of deadly ash, so it's to her benefit to seal it during normal conditions. Same thing for Captain "My sword is actually a giant flying monster" Unohana.
Yes, but the issue with being unable to control your sword is a big strike against a mortal world assignment for the very same reason. Swords can be quirky, but you're supposed to manage these things...or you stay in Soul Society where your lack of management wont hurt anything.
- Location
- Australia
But we can manage it. If it ever comes as a problem, we can just seal Zangetsu to prove we can manage it. This vote is for SOP in general life.
That's why I detailed a plan to slowly get Zangetsu used to a sealed form after half a year of being released, it's part of the 12 month graduation plan, showcasing that he has power, but is actively learning how to control it with assistance AND working together with his Zanpakutou on top of that.
- Location
- United States
A set of short omakes illustrating my earlier point:
@TPK don't know how you handle omakes so I'm just tagging you
Omake 1: Delinquent once more:
"K-Kurosaki?", A timid voice called into the history classroom as Ichigo sat and took notes.
"Yes?", The orange haired rookie asked as he looked up to see a waif of a girl quivering in terror as she looked towards him.
"T-the h-h-headmaster would like to see you in his office"
Ichigo sighed , already having a good idea what this was about. "Alright let me just pack up" he acquiesced putting away his possessions. As he slung his carry bag over his shoulder and grabbed his massive meat cleaver of a sword he nearly missed the squeek of terror from the messenger.
Walking behind the quietly praying girl on the way to the headmaster's office he once more felt irritation over how things had changed ever since he had started walking around with an released Zangetsu. It seemed that everyone was either afraid of him or wanted to pick a fight. It was like mortal highschool all over again.
Reaching the labeled doors of the headmaster, his guide walked in and introduced him.
"Ichigo Kurosaki sir", she stated before being dismissed by a nod from the old man behind the desk and scurrying away.
"Please," the man said, "take a seat."
Ichigo stepped forward and noted how the man eyes never left Zangetsu until he leaned it against the wall and stepped away from it to take a seat.
"Now," the man said as Ichigo made himself comfortable. "Do you know why I've called you today?"
"The fights?" Ichigo half asked feeling he already knew the answer.
"Not just the fights," the headmaster clarified, "I'd like to know why you're intimidating my students?"
"What!?" Ichigo exclaimed, "I'm not doing anything. It's always the others taking the first swing!"
The headmaster just stayed silent looking pointedly at Zangetsu as if that was supposed to explain things.
"My zanpaktou? Everyone carries theirs."
"Yes but the issue here is that yours is constantly in Shikai." He explained calmly.
"We of course he is. He's really prideful and lieutenant Yachiru said that prideful swords express themselves."
The headmaster sighed the sigh of a lifetime teacher before pulling himself into the pose that Ichigo knew indicated a forthcoming lecture.
"Kurosaki, nearly all zanpaktou are prideful but you don't see the seated officers or captains walking around with theirs in constant Shikai form. It's one thing to walk around with your sword displaying its individuality whilst sealed but it's another thing entirely to leave it released, even if you do have the reserves for it. To have a released blade is to declare that you're ready for a fight or expecting one. From what I understand of modern society it's the same as walking around with a gun in hand with the safety off instead of having it in your holster. Even if you don't intend to shoot anyone you're still gonna intimidate them."
"Ahh. Well in that case I'll get to keeping it unreleased." Ichigo said abashedly, making to get up.
"Not just yet young man. We still need to discuss your punishment for getting into four fights and sending 7 upperclassmen to the fourth division.
Ichigo just hung his head and mutely sat back down.
Omake 2: Sneaky as a Zaraki Kenpachi
Ichigo kept trying to keep a straight face as he walked into Kukaku's house. He couldn't wait to see the look on cousin's face when he finally revealed his-
"Oh so you achieved Shikai huh?"
Ichigo tripped and fell as his surprise was ruined."How did you know!?" He asked getting back up from his faceplant. "I haven't told anyone yet"
Ikkaku snorted at that. " Oh please. Achieving shikai or bankai creates a shift in your soul as you come to terms with a part of it and with how terrible your control is and how much you leak it's near impossible to miss."
"Dammit, so everyone probably already knows?" Ichigo asked, slightly put off to find out that his secrecy had been in vain.
"Not everybody," Kukaku clarified bringing up her relatives spirits before dashing them once more, "but your instructors, and any captains or lieutenants you've met probably know. Maybe even some of the lower seated officers as well."
Ichigo just silently sat in a corner as a raincloud developed over him.
@TPK don't know how you handle omakes so I'm just tagging you
Omake 1: Delinquent once more:
"K-Kurosaki?", A timid voice called into the history classroom as Ichigo sat and took notes.
"Yes?", The orange haired rookie asked as he looked up to see a waif of a girl quivering in terror as she looked towards him.
"T-the h-h-headmaster would like to see you in his office"
Ichigo sighed , already having a good idea what this was about. "Alright let me just pack up" he acquiesced putting away his possessions. As he slung his carry bag over his shoulder and grabbed his massive meat cleaver of a sword he nearly missed the squeek of terror from the messenger.
Walking behind the quietly praying girl on the way to the headmaster's office he once more felt irritation over how things had changed ever since he had started walking around with an released Zangetsu. It seemed that everyone was either afraid of him or wanted to pick a fight. It was like mortal highschool all over again.
Reaching the labeled doors of the headmaster, his guide walked in and introduced him.
"Ichigo Kurosaki sir", she stated before being dismissed by a nod from the old man behind the desk and scurrying away.
"Please," the man said, "take a seat."
Ichigo stepped forward and noted how the man eyes never left Zangetsu until he leaned it against the wall and stepped away from it to take a seat.
"Now," the man said as Ichigo made himself comfortable. "Do you know why I've called you today?"
"The fights?" Ichigo half asked feeling he already knew the answer.
"Not just the fights," the headmaster clarified, "I'd like to know why you're intimidating my students?"
"What!?" Ichigo exclaimed, "I'm not doing anything. It's always the others taking the first swing!"
The headmaster just stayed silent looking pointedly at Zangetsu as if that was supposed to explain things.
"My zanpaktou? Everyone carries theirs."
"Yes but the issue here is that yours is constantly in Shikai." He explained calmly.
"We of course he is. He's really prideful and lieutenant Yachiru said that prideful swords express themselves."
The headmaster sighed the sigh of a lifetime teacher before pulling himself into the pose that Ichigo knew indicated a forthcoming lecture.
"Kurosaki, nearly all zanpaktou are prideful but you don't see the seated officers or captains walking around with theirs in constant Shikai form. It's one thing to walk around with your sword displaying its individuality whilst sealed but it's another thing entirely to leave it released, even if you do have the reserves for it. To have a released blade is to declare that you're ready for a fight or expecting one. From what I understand of modern society it's the same as walking around with a gun in hand with the safety off instead of having it in your holster. Even if you don't intend to shoot anyone you're still gonna intimidate them."
"Ahh. Well in that case I'll get to keeping it unreleased." Ichigo said abashedly, making to get up.
"Not just yet young man. We still need to discuss your punishment for getting into four fights and sending 7 upperclassmen to the fourth division.
Ichigo just hung his head and mutely sat back down.
Omake 2: Sneaky as a Zaraki Kenpachi
Ichigo kept trying to keep a straight face as he walked into Kukaku's house. He couldn't wait to see the look on cousin's face when he finally revealed his-
"Oh so you achieved Shikai huh?"
Ichigo tripped and fell as his surprise was ruined."How did you know!?" He asked getting back up from his faceplant. "I haven't told anyone yet"
Ikkaku snorted at that. " Oh please. Achieving shikai or bankai creates a shift in your soul as you come to terms with a part of it and with how terrible your control is and how much you leak it's near impossible to miss."
"Dammit, so everyone probably already knows?" Ichigo asked, slightly put off to find out that his secrecy had been in vain.
"Not everybody," Kukaku clarified bringing up her relatives spirits before dashing them once more, "but your instructors, and any captains or lieutenants you've met probably know. Maybe even some of the lower seated officers as well."
Ichigo just silently sat in a corner as a raincloud developed over him.
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But the message we're sending to the system is "naw not going to bother, I'd just let it hang free".
Habitual control requires more than the ability to seal it when requested.
It means going around constantly under control even when distracted, save for when you need it to battle.
That requires making it a fact of life.
- Location
- Australia
Why is this in any way important or necessary? The only time we'd be distracted is in combat, at which point there's no problem with going Shikai.