"Come to think of it, let's add sponsorship to my list of potential rewards. I'll try to tailor opportunities to your specific strengths, but if you let me improve your appearance in either style? I could set you up as the unwedded, untouched daughter of a protective merchant prince and watch you bring some royal court or another to complete chaos. It'll be hilarious. All those nobles trying to get on your pretend-father's good side with gifts, honeyed words, etcetera? Great source of income. Meanwhile, a completely different set showers you with the same. Provided, it wouldn't be the entire court, but there would be more enough people to upend most of their day-to-day operations. You could get married if you want to—"

"No."

"—But if you don't, you can just head to another world with your ill-gotten gains. We could even fake a kidnapping or something so they don't realize what happened."
Oh my god, I'm with Delight on this one, this would be hilarious. I am really tempted to take her along.

For what to actually pick though, hm. Leaning towards Appearance: Cute and Stealth v. Magic, with the latter being more important. It would definitely help in making sure we don't end up somewhere and set off some shit.

There's also the separate negotiation for if/when she wants to come along, so keep that in mind.
 
Ah. We probably won't go for it, but that would be a fairly neat way of cutting off any romantic stuff from the quest. I suppose keeping a clear head in many situations where you otherwise wouldn't would have some benefit too.
I suspect the inveterate shippers amongst us may want to avoid it. Also, it seems somewhat minor.
It's good if you're just aiming to make yourself as manipulative as possible for human populations with similar social & genetic standards as is appearing here and don't have any self-worth for your own body.

Knobby/boney joints are fine for someone still growing up, calluses on women are respected in cultures where they work labor or certain crafts/art, minor scars aren't bad and being flawless is actually a bit unsettling for many, and ideal skin color would change based on location and there's definitely no true "better" one.

As for cuteness, while being cute would make it easier to obtain help, it won't get her out of real dangerous situations and will make it even tougher for people to take her seriously.
Being underestimated can have it's advantages. Particularly when you have things like elemental escorts who can help when you need to be menacing/taken seriously. I mean, yeah, it can also lead to the problems Gilgamesh often faces in Girl Genius (not being taken as a serious threat due to trying to be reasonable, then ocassionally flipping out and becoming terrifying), but that's not necessarily a deal breaker. Adorable people are even scarier when they actually pull it off, too.
Stealth only really helps us if we want to go somewhere we aren't supposed to be... which, frankly, we might be doing a lot. More importantly in my book, it shields us from Divination, which I can find coming really, really, REALLY useful. Right now, we are going to be doing a lot of moving from place to place, and I'd really like to make it so that hostiles can't follow us. (Note that we don't yet know if our Drifting can cycle us back to placed we've been; if it does, this might be the difference between being able to make a new start and having people immediately on our tail).
Stealth is quite handy, though I will point out it also makes us harder to find by our allies, as well as our enemies.
Well, I guess there's a character called Will in this? I mean, there are probably a lot of them, but the colored text makes me think 'magical being or deity'.
I'm not so much in favour of "Cute" since it comes with the downside of being hard to take seriously. We are going to grow to be a total badass; it's gonna be annoying if people keep trying to protect us and get hurt doing so. We're already pretty cute enough as we are, I don't think we need extra.
We have elementals. They should keep any allies we gain safe, once they realize said allies getting hurt makes us a very sad panda Melia. And being cute can actually add to the intimidation, if done properly. Plus, our elementals can do a pretty good job of being intimidating, if we need them to be, once they're bigger.

[X] Appearance Improvements ("Cute").

For many of the reasons listed above, plus my own enjoyment. I'm sorry, but having the queen of an army of elementals be a small, adorable girl, who also has some affinity with the arts necromantic (so, potentially also accompanied by the restless dead) is just hilarious to me. Yes, it's been done. Many times. I still find it amusing.

[X] Stealth vs. Magic

Whether we want to or not, we're probably going to end up...I want to call it 'breaking and entering', but our teleportation doesn't break anything. Suffice it to say, we're going to end up in a lot of places we probably shouldn't, just by the nature of our Talent. Some of which will have magical protections. Since that's the case, we might as well enhance our ability to leave quietly.
 
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[x] Sonic Amulet.
[x] Stealth vs. Magic

Sonic amulet is a good self defense item Melia could really use. The poison immunity sounds interesting but the fact that Melia bleeds out poisons could be troublesome, especially for mild ones or any in large doses. Stealth seems neat and will help prevent more insidious characters looking to take advantage of Melia's power. The others don't really seem all that good for Melia having some major drawbacks, being unhealthy, or focused primarily on manipulating others in ways that take away as many options as they give for Melia.

[X] Appearance Improvements ("Cute").
[X] Stealth vs. Magic

I think I'd go for Poison Immunity without the wounding, but given that drawback I think I'll go for my second choice, Stealth vs. Magic. It's not inconceivable that we could find another way to deal with poison in the future, so we're probably better taking the other situational option that doesn't have a drawback. (Not being able to cast spells whilst relying on it is a limitation, not a drawback.)

And frankly, even if we don't deliberately set out to manipulate people, the quality-of-life upgrade of "cute" is a pretty big deal, especially given that with our constantly travelling to new places we're likely to be relying on the kindness of strangers for a good long while. Plenty of people already use makeup and we don't accuse them of being manipulative, and cutting off any possible body-image problems a young teenage girl might develop (because, you know, teenage) is well worth consideration all on its own.

Magically altering yourself to be cute and never being as seriously considered again won't cause any body-image problems? Pretty sure Melia wants people to more seriously consider her instead of blowing off her questions.
 
Magically altering yourself to be cute and never being as seriously considered again won't cause any body-image problems? Pretty sure Melia wants people to more seriously consider her instead of blowing off her questions.
Not really? They're probably more likely to answer our questions, if we're adorable and unthreatening enough. The sorts of things they might want to prevent us from knowing about would be the bad aspects of the world, I.E. detailed descriptions of horrifying things, rather than education on the nature of magic. I'm okay with a bit of sugar-coating occasionally.

Also, it only means we might need to work to be considered a threat. And, of course, this would not extend to our elementals, who could remain perfectly frightening. Or anything we gain once we dip our toes into the necromancy pool. An adorable girl escorted by ghosts is still going to be frightening, purely because of the souls of the dead around her, that heed her commands.

And being underestimated is frankly advantageous, overall. You don't expect a bunny to rip your throat out or pull a switchblade on you, or a kitten to devour your soul, ya know? I mean, unless you know better. Frankly, anything that lets us catch our foes off-guard is worthwhile, in my book. Especially if it helps in getting us allies, food, and a place to crash for a while.
 
Magically altering yourself to be cute and never being as seriously considered again won't cause any body-image problems? Pretty sure Melia wants people to more seriously consider her instead of blowing off her questions.
There's a big difference between "not being seen as a threat" and "not being taken seriously". Besides which, as pointed out above, if we explicitly want to be taken as a threat we have elementals for that.
 
Not really? They're probably more likely to answer our questions, if we're adorable and unthreatening enough. The sorts of things they might want to prevent us from knowing about would be the bad aspects of the world, I.E. detailed descriptions of horrifying things, rather than education on the nature of magic. I'm okay with a bit of sugar-coating occasionally.

Also, it only means we might need to work to be considered a threat. And, of course, this would not extend to our elementals, who could remain perfectly frightening. Or anything we gain once we dip our toes into the necromancy pool. An adorable girl escorted by ghosts is still going to be frightening, purely because of the souls of the dead around her, that heed her commands.

And being underestimated is frankly advantageous, overall. You don't expect a bunny to rip your throat out or pull a switchblade on you, or a kitten to devour your soul, ya know? I mean, unless you know better. Frankly, anything that lets us catch our foes off-guard is worthwhile, in my book. Especially if it helps in getting us allies, food, and a place to crash for a while.

For more technical discussions? They aren't going to take someone super adorable looking as seriously. Also, needing to work to be considered a threat is a double-edged sword. Melia would be more likely be targeted by predators and not as easily trusted to have an ally's back or trusted with certain tasks.
 
Another point I'd like to make in favour of an appearance upgrade is that this is very clearly Delight's area of expertise. Even if you consider the other options to be superior, you should take into account that whilst we can almost certainly get similar (and possibly superior) effects elsewhere, this is as good an appearance upgrade as is likely possible. She clearly takes great pride in her abilities in this area, considering the lesser solutions of others (glamours, etc.) as downright insulting in comparison.
 
There's a big difference between "not being seen as a threat" and "not being taken seriously". Besides which, as pointed out above, if we explicitly want to be taken as a threat we have elementals for that.

Aside from being common sense, "Not being taken seriously" is something she points out specifically in the deal involving the cuteness:
"Attraction is all well and good, but I expect you could provoke protectiveness without very much difficulty. I could help make you even better at doing so. You may have trouble getting some to take you seriously after such changes. I imagine you have trouble with that already, and as such, I suspect that wouldn't be too big of a change.

She won't notice the downside too much at first but I have concerns she will be regretting it quite a lot once she gets older.
 
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I suspect the inveterate shippers amongst us may want to avoid it. Also, it seems somewhat minor.

I'd take it even as a shipper because it might make friend shipping more interesting and add some drama down the line, but it uses up a slot and it's not a fair trade off for like, stealth or poison immunity or really most of the boons. If it was just free and we could choose to take it or not I'd be going for it, though.
 
[X] Stealth vs. Magic.

[X] Poison Immunity.

I like utility stuff. Also Delight is hilarious and we should totally take her with us.
 
Yeah, the cute upgrade seems enormously useful. Like, it basically means we're always treated as an ally by normal humans when we first meet them. We might not be able to be treated as seriously at first, but with a nice army of elementals I doubt it'll be a real problem.

And by the way...
I'm pretty sure you meant "pronunciation".
 
Aside from being common sense, "Not being taken seriously" is something she points out specifically in the deal involving the cuteness:


She won't notice the downside too much at first but I have concerns she will be regretting it quite a lot once she gets older.
In the event that growing up "cute" won't mitigate most of the being-taken-seriously issue*, we can always wear edgy clothing or a mask or something. Hell, we can even make use of one of those "glamours" mentioned earlier.

*Which is pretty unlikely - "cute" adults may be a little underestimated in particularly backwards areas, but aside from martial cultures easily overturned with a sufficient demonstration of strength like a large group of scary elementals, cute women aren't greatly held back by their appearance in adult society. Unless you think @Alivaril is going to drop us into multiple heavily-misogynistic cultures? That seems like it would be out of character for him, given how boring repetition is.
 
So I'd been intending to count this by plan, but between the number of potential combinations and the people who don't seem to be basing their votes on potential synergies, I'll likely count by line instead. Consider this fair warning.


I'm pretty sure you meant "pronunciation".

Gods damn it, I could've sworn I fixed that earlier. Thanks. Autocorrupt!
 
So I'd been intending to count this by plan, but between the number of potential combinations and the people who don't seem to be basing their votes on potential synergies, I'll likely count by line instead. Consider this fair warning.
I see synergies between the appearance votes either Sponsorship or Imagination Reclamation if we were willing to not follow the standard saintly-good quest protagonist morality, but otherwise I don't see any? I don't think anyone's willing to vote for either of the latter.
 
For more technical discussions? They aren't going to take someone super adorable looking as seriously. Also, needing to work to be considered a threat is a double-edged sword. Melia would be more likely be targeted by predators and not as easily trusted to have an ally's back or trusted with certain tasks.
Fortunately, books don't give a sh*t how adorable you are. And being adorable can let you get access to books. And, once you prove you know a little something, people are generally more likely to include you in technical talks.

Those other things are only issues if we're working with someone who doesn't know us.

I think where we diverge is how much 'not taken seriously' is going to occur. I'm assuming that it lasts until they know better. At worst, IMO, we're going to need to show them what sort of mad-boy Drifter they're dealing with. You seem to be assuming it to be long-lasting, and almost supernatural in it's effect.
I'm pretty sure you meant "pronunciation".
Holy sh*t, he forgot to edit that? I pointed that out in the beta-reading thread.
Aside from being common sense, "Not being taken seriously" is something she points out specifically in the deal involving the cuteness:


She won't notice the downside too much at first but I have concerns she will be regretting it quite a lot once she gets older.
Except that it's 'trouble being taken seriously' not 'can't be taken seriously'. I suspect anyone who sees what we can do will end up taking us seriously, once we're powerful enough.
In the event that growing up "cute" won't mitigate most of the being-taken-seriously issue*, we can always wear edgy clothing or a mask or something. Hell, we can even make use of one of those "glamours" mentioned earlier.

*Which is pretty unlikely - "cute" adults may be a little underestimated in particularly backwards areas, but aside from martial cultures easily overturned with a sufficient demonstration of strength like a large group of scary elementals, cute women aren't greatly held back by their appearance in adult society. Unless you think @Alivaril is going to drop us into multiple heavily-misogynistic cultures? That seems like it would be out of character for him, given how boring repetition is.
More to the point, even in those, someone escorted by an army of elementals is probably pretty intimidating regardless.
Gods damn it, I could've sworn I fixed that earlier. Thanks. Autocorrupt!
I'd expect you to notice when it reverts, due to your ADHD. I'm fairly aware of movement, though, so maybe you're different.
 
[] Appearance Improvements ("Cute").

[] Appearance Improvements ("Beauty").
Ehh, Melia's good enough from what we've heard. It can wait >_>
[] Imagination Reclamation.
Bah, puberty is something you can get through without issue
[] Magical Failsafes.
I'd think this one is a good idea. If what you say is a big deal, and Melia isn't entirely certain just what she's saying on any given world, we would kinda want insurance against that >_>
This one's cool, but it seems possible to lose it. Can't say I'd like that, if the vote for bringing Delight along goes bad.
[] Stealth vs. Magic.
This might be incredibly useful, if less savory folks learn about our Talent >_>
Sounds like a painful way to do it, but this might be a good idea, if we can manage some way to heal the resulting wounds - while the Talent doesn't drop us somewhere immediately dangerous, we haven't been starting our jaunts by munching down on the local flora/fauna.
Utterly worthless unless we manage to stay here for a good long while. Or, if Delight comes with us on each world to keep setting this up - which isn't a problem for me!
EDIT: Alright, not completely worthless but... well, is Delight going to give us a Bag of Holding for all our courting gifts too? There's not a lot of point to this one beyond trying to socialize Melia more. I'd rather do that with Delight :V

[X] Magical Failsafes
[X] Stealth vs. Magic

Here's hoping skipping out on Poison Immunity doesn't mean we'll need it in the very-near future :V
 
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[X] Appearance Improvements ("Cute").
[X] Sonic Amulet.

There are two types of major threats to us: other people, and magical creatures. Given that almost every world here is a magical creature deathworld, the amulet seems prudent. It will be a big deal in keeping us from being eaten or maimed.

Stealth sounds useful but really how often are we going to be sneaking around rather than knocking on the front door? I just don't see us doing much thievery when we're inclined towards direct methods. If we do need to, we have elementals.
 
Stealth sounds useful but really how often are we going to be sneaking around rather than knocking on the front door? I just don't see us doing much thievery when we're inclined towards direct methods. If we do need to, we have elementals.
Eh. We may or may not end up in, for example, a magically secured prison, when traveling between worlds. While I suppose we might be able to talk our way out, especially if adorable enough, I'd rather avoid that. It's likely that we'll end up in places with magical security whether we intend to or not, is what I'm saying.
 
Fortunately, books don't give a sh*t how adorable you are. And being adorable can let you get access to books. And, once you prove you know a little something, people are generally more likely to include you in technical talks.

Doubt being adorable really helps that much in getting to books, learning the basics of what one is asking about does help in technical talks for whatever we go for though.

Those other things are only issues if we're working with someone who doesn't know us.
I think where we diverge is how much 'not taken seriously' is going to occur. I'm assuming that it lasts until they know better. At worst, IMO, we're going to need to show them what sort of mad-boy Drifter they're dealing with.

I actually agree with you here, prejudices about someone do go away (at least involving that person) once you really get to know someone. Doesn't change the short-term downsides though, and Melia is going to be traveling and meeting different people a lot.

You seem to be assuming it to be long-lasting, and almost supernatural in it's effect.

Are we reading the same effects she's listed? Muscles toned down to noble female levels but still as strong? No calluses but presumably the hands are somehow tough enough to still handle what she's been handling? All those little minor imperfections that make a human human going away? Sounds pretty supernatural and nothing she's said has made me believe the "cute" aspect will somehow wear off overtime even if it is more effective as a child. Hell, I wonder what magic is being infused into Melia's body or how it's physically being changed.

Honestly, the body-change thing comes off as a bit of body-horror to me. At least with Jade it was clearly an inhuman vessel and was focused more on health, strength, power, longevity, and awe based off her original body compared to this weird change for Melia to what an ideal girl is like in this particular society that's just a tad bit more flawless in everyway to a normal human.
 
[X] Stealth vs. Magic.
[X] Poison Immunity.

Melia is apparently already cute/beautiful so I don't really want to invest more in her appearance. Pretty sure we wouldn't be allowed to go too far on SV but being good looking isn't purely a good thing. With the failsafe, we have no proof that we work the same way as this world's Arcanes. The amulet we could end up losing so I vote for the two defensive enhancements.
 
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