Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

Mance Rayder had an army of 100,000 in canon because the White Walkers were hounding their heels. In this story White Walkers aren't a thing, so we shouldn't expect the same numbers as in canon.

Edit- wow Droman's back.
 
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Mance Rayder had an army of 100,000 in canon because the White Walkers were hounding their heels. In this story White Walkers aren't a thing, so we shouldn't expect the same numbers as in canon.


Even then, pretty sure that 100,000 included women and children and super old people who couldn't fight.. basically all the Wildlings left pretty much.
 
[X] Plan Protector of the Realm
Can't Ned be the commander, he is the Warden of the North. Greatjon only needs to lead the men to the North. Or is he still laid up from his leg injury? He can still be carried around and give orders from the war camp surely?

And IIRC, Robb left for the south in a hurry and didn't raise the full Northern levies. Or did that change in this quest? If not, there should be more than ~25000 men for Ned to call up still in the North.

I meant the Greatjon would be in charge of getting them there. Ned is still the Warden of the North, of course.

Okay. So the North probably has 25,000 already that didn't even leave.

How many went back with Ned?

I'll take into account the 100,000 being women and children, and the fact they wouldn't have cavalry. Though the Iron Fleet may decide to show up there of all places, you never know...

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Considering some changes. Letting you know ahead of time.

Maybe 7,500-10,000? Even that much seems like overkill at this point. But there's no kill like overkill.

Alright then...I'm thinking a reduced force North. Even if it may not be necessary, it shows that 'yes, the Realm with King Robb at the helm has your back.'

GreatJon still in charge.

I'll make the main version of the plan going to Storm's End, secure the Baratheon's. Basically more similar to the latter version.

Perhaps have Robb stay at Storm's End and leave the Hunt for Aegon to Randyll and Davos? Though Davos is my preferred choice for Hand.



Any thoughts on the Free Cities (besides Braavos)?
 
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[] Make for Storm's End. You cannot lose the Baratheons or their claim.
-[] You will not leave any of the Seven Kingdoms undefended if you can help it, for a threat to one is a threat to all. You will send a force of 10,000 North to aid against the Wildlings. This force will mainly include Northmen but there will also be contingents of Reachmen and Stormlanders. It will be under the command of the Greatjon.
-[] Dragonstone will be the primary naval staging point for the Hunt for Aegon. Practicality will likely keep the vast majority of the army nearby on the mainland, of course. This will be a joint effort between Randyll Tarly and Davos Seaworth, commanding the army and navy respectively.
-[] Send word to the Westerlands. Call for their arms, as part of the Realm, to assist in hunting down Aegon.
-[] Send envoys to the Free Cities. The main message will be that Westeros will not look kindly on those that harbor or aid the false dragon, his supporters, or anyone else that would try to usurp the throne of Westeros. Those opposed to him, either in arms or by providing information on him, will be looked on favorably as partners in future trade.
--[] City specific envoys:
---[] Braavos: appeal to their rivalry with the 'free' cities that support slavery. Aegon is backed by powerful forces in the other free cities. Probably by their rivals, and those that support slavery (open slavery, or slavery in all but name) at that. If Aegon took the throne the rivals of Braavos would have Westeros in their pocket.


Revised plan. Figured I didn't need to specify which Northmen go. I reduced the number of Northmen as well.

Besides the questions in my last post...any good admirals that could be put on the job besides Davos?

And I haven't specified the amount going to Dragonstone or to Storm's End yet.
 
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I'm not sure I like the idea of sending the whole goddamned army to Dragonstone. For one thing, can Dragonstone support an army that big in terms of food, water and just land? Also, it puts the army in an easily-isolated spot while the Iron Fleet is MIA. I really don't like the idea of dumping everything onto Dragonstone only for the Ironborn to blockade us whilst Aegon lands unopposed elsewhere.

Maybe we find a parking spot for the army somewhere on the mainland relatively close--a day or two's sail, maybe, with the ships ready to go at a moment's notice--while we coordinate naval matters from Dragonstone?
 
For clarification purposes: the North's Army that Robb brought down with him is the army that went with Ned back to the North.
 
I'm not sure I like the idea of sending the whole goddamned army to Dragonstone. For one thing, can Dragonstone support an army that big in terms of food, water and just land? Also, it puts the army in an easily-isolated spot while the Iron Fleet is MIA. I really don't like the idea of dumping everything onto Dragonstone only for the Ironborn to blockade us whilst Aegon lands unopposed elsewhere.

Maybe we find a parking spot for the army somewhere on the mainland relatively close--a day or two's sail, maybe, with the ships ready to go at a moment's notice--while we coordinate naval matters from Dragonstone?

Fixed. Removed majority from going to Dragonstone. It will be the primary naval staging point. Anything else can be unstated common sense left to whoever is in charge.

Speaking of...Tarly is a good pick for the army. But is anyone close to Davos in skill for naval matters? I would prefer him to be available as Hand if possible.

For clarification purposes: the North's Army that Robb brought down with him is the army that went with Ned back to the North.

Really? I thought there were still North men with us when we crushed Renly and up until now.
 
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Only Robb's Dawnguard, everything else went with Ned.

Huh. I guess that part of the plan is moot then. I'll take it out when I can.



Though I still like idea of sending some back up. Maybe just change the makeup of the 8,000 to Reachmen and Stormlanders.

If Robb's dawn guard is here how much cavalry do they have?
 
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Huh. I guess that part of the plan is moot then. I'll take it out when I can.



Though I still like idea of sending some back up. Maybe just change the makeup of the 8,000 to Reachmen and Stormlanders.

If Robb's dawn guard is here how much cavalry do they have?
Whatever they can raise from the Northern Lords still there and the 100 the Nights Watch have, since they didn't go on the Great Ranging that got them killed in canon.
 
Whatever they can raise from the Northern Lords still there and the 100 the Nights Watch have, since they didn't go on the Great Ranging that got them killed in canon.

Hmm, so they could perhaps make use of some extra cavalry, at least.

On my phone, so I'll look back for any information on how many we can realistically spare later. Unless someone already knows.

Changes will come when I'm off work.
 
Just to elaborate on my earlier comment, the Battle of Castle Black was the main engagement between Mance Rayder's host of 30,000 fighters along with a lot of mammoths and giants against the severely depleted forces of the Night's Watch (at the start of the battle there were only 40 fighters at Castle Black) as well as Stannis' army which was 1,500 strong. The Wall offers insane defensive capabilities to anyone who can man it so unless Mance Rayder somehow has the ability to destroy a section of the wall or cross it with his army without having to fight the defenders which he didn't have in canon, I doubt Ned would need help defending it.
 
Just to elaborate on my earlier comment, the Battle of Castle Black was the main engagement between Mance Rayder's host of 30,000 fighters along with a lot of mammoths and giants against the severely depleted forces of the Night's Watch (at the start of the battle there were only 40 fighters at Castle Black) as well as Stannis' army which was 1,500 strong. The Wall offers insane defensive capabilities to anyone who can man it so unless Mance Rayder somehow has the ability to destroy a section of the wall or cross it with his army without having to fight the defenders which he didn't have in canon, I doubt Ned would need help defending it.


No Others in this quest. Maybe the Wildlings won't be a threat at all, but I kind of doubt it.

They may have the means to take down the Wall.

But I've been rethinking things during the day.

Did Gondor Winterfell actually call for aid, @Charcolt ?

How much of an army could the North actually handle?

Since I'm tagging you with a question, might as well confirm what we know, if anything, about who is backing Aegon.


Okay. Changing it up again for now. Those voting for it knew this was a work in progress from the start.



[] Make for Storm's End. You cannot lose the Baratheons or their claim.
-[] Send ravens to your father and the Watch. You are King of the Seven Kingdoms, and they are all your people now. But you will not forget the North. And a threat to one is a threat to all. But what should we send to help: additional foot, cavalry, supplies? You will prepare and send what aid is requested. If no word comes you'll prepare a force in case of the worst.
-[] Dragonstone will be the primary naval staging point for the Hunt for Aegon. Practicality will likely keep the vast majority of the army nearby on the mainland, of course. This will be a joint effort between Randyll Tarly and Davos Seaworth, commanding the army and navy respectively.
-[] Send word to the Westerlands. Call for their arms, as part of the Realm, to assist in hunting down Aegon.
-[] Send envoys to the Free Cities. The main message will be that Westeros will not look kindly on those that harbor or aid the false dragon, his supporters, or anyone else that would try to usurp the throne of Westeros. Those opposed to him, either in arms or by providing information on him, will be looked on favorably as partners in future trade. Westeros would also look to work together with those it can consider friends to eliminate piracy and make that trade across the Narrow Sea more profitable.
--[] City specific envoys:
---[] Braavos, Lorath: Slavery is an abomination. As allies in the future you can work together, the truly free cities and Westeros can find ways to discourage the slave trade and the practice in general, and in doing so increase ties between the cities and Westeros for the benefit of both.
---[] Lys, Myr, Tyrosh: Emphasize the problems with piracy and wanting to discourage it for mutual benefit. Point out what happened the last time a dragon got a hold of the Golden Company, Tyrosh being taken and ran by sell swords. They cannot be trusted.



Hmm...can we assume Lord Velaryon is a more than competent naval commander? Maybe he could be put in charge of the naval forces at Dragonstone instead of Davos.

Oh, for the other Free Cities...I'm thinking of a few possible angles.

Have any of the Free Cities had a bad history with the Targaryens or Blackfyres? Or just conquerors in general.

F!Aegon is a wannabe conqueror. He doesn't truly know nor care about the people of the lands he wishes to conquer. He would have burned King's Landing and ruled over the ashes. That would translate to how he interacts with his neighbors or anyone he deals with.
 
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Did Gondor Winterfell actually call for aid, @Charcolt ?

How much of an army could the North actually handle?

Since I'm tagging you with a question, might as well confirm what we know, if anything, about who is backing Aegon.

There hasn't been any word from Ned or the army. We'll be moving to the North shortly though, even if Robb got a bit held up. Theoretically the North could support everybody if the other kingdoms were sending food and other supplies. Without that its own army is sort of a ceiling and winter will see that shrink.

You don't know much of Aegon's specific allies, only that he was heading east.
 
There hasn't been any word from Ned or the army. We'll be moving to the North shortly though, even if Robb got a bit held up. Theoretically the North could support everybody if the other kingdoms were sending food and other supplies. Without that its own army is sort of a ceiling and winter will see that shrink.

You don't know much of Aegon's specific allies, only that he was heading east.


No word from Ned...that makes me nervous.


It makes me think we should send some people, fully supplied, right away. Maybe putting back in that force of 10,000 right away, I think.
 
The Horn of Joramun might still be a thing and with no Others to run from, the wildlings have no incentive to keep the Wall standing. If it's real and they can find it, one blow is purportedly all it takes for the whole thing to come crashing down.

If that happens, the wildling army is even more of a threat than canon.
 
If it's real and they can find it, one blow is purportedly all it takes for the whole thing to come crashing down.

On the other hand, part of the horn's legend is that it was blown after the Wall was up, and the Wall didn't fall:
Thousands of years ago,[4] Joramun, a King-Beyond-the-Wall, supposedly blew the horn and woke giants from the earth.

So, the Wildlings think it makes the Wall fall, despite it allegedly being blown before and the Wall not falling...
 
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