Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

[X] Make for Storm's End. You cannot lose the Baratheons or their claim.
-[x] Send some aid to the North to help them hold until you can get up there yourself
 
I'mma changing my vote to [X] Plan Protector of the Realm
 
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If plan protector of the realm is changed so that we meet shireen in the crownlands and she travels with the fleet to dragonstone I will vote for it.
 
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Northern as in north of the Trident, not near the Twins. You're near Saltpans where the Targaryens retreated to.

And Shireen would travel a bit by land (because the family is a bit cautious of entering ships near their castle nowadays) then catch a ship at the next port there, if you'd want to meet her at Dragonstone.

Thanks.

Looking at another map.

Hmm...Griffin's Roost maybe? Oh wait, Conningtons.

Kind of heading in the wrong direction, anyway.


If they're heading north they might as well head overland to King's Landing, or maybe even Duskendale, or to Sharp Point.


I could specify which to minimize travel time by sea, I guess (and hopefully entirely within Blackwater Bay).
 
Dragonstone is a shitty castle that can't withstand a siege...Storm's End is a better place for her to stay at.
 
Dragonstone is a shitty castle that can't withstand a siege...Storm's End is a better place for her to stay at.

We could have her return to Storm's End after the wedding.

But Robb should be at Dragonstone to oversee the hunt for Aegon. And we're not waiting for a seige. Dragonstone is a staging point for our hunt.


Not that I don't appreciate the support for my plan, folks...but I DID ask for feedback.

I'm getting some with the location...Dragonstone vs. Storm's End, and I'll admit I'm not entirely decided on even that (though I am in favor of Dragonstone right now).

But there are parts and points of the plan that are more placeholders.

Greatjon, for example. The number of the forces we send North, and from which kingdoms will the ranks of that force be comprised of?

Strategies for envoys for the other cities...

There needs to be discussion.
 
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Oh, other things to consider.

Do we want to include the Westerlands in any way? If not sending some North, then in summoning them for the hunt for Aegon.

Same thing to consider for the Dornish.

Another thing to consider...is there anything we can do to help ensure Arianne ousts Doran? Should we even interfere?


Free Cities to account for:

Braavos:
Norvos:
Lorath:
Qohor:
Pentos:
Myr:
Lys:
Tyrosh:
Volantis:

Though honestly, I doubt all the cities need their own mention.
 
We could have her return to Storm's End after the wedding.

But Robb should be at Dragonstone to oversee the hunt for Aegon. And we're not waiting for a seige. Dragonstone is a staging point for our hunt.


Not that I don't appreciate the support for my plan, folks...but I DID ask for feedback.

I'm getting some with the location...Dragonstone vs. Storm's End, and I'll admit I'm not entirely decided on even that (though I am in favor of Dragonstone right now).

But there are parts and points of the plan that are more placeholders.

Greatjon, for example. The number of the forces we send North, and from which kingdoms will the ranks of that force be comprised of?

Strategies for envoys for the other cities...

There needs to be discussion.
I feel like removing her from the safest place she could ever be barring us controlling Casterly Rock will be risky. Also I would send back the Greatjon, Mormonts and Hornwoods. The Glovers, Ryswells and Dustins will stay. The most Northern Houses head back to help secure their lands and quell their eventual agitating. The Boltons and their allies will stay behind and hopefully Roose might get a sword to the neck because the Dreadfort is a great castle to hold (seriously a two year siege in the height of winter is no joke). I know he's loyal and all that but the the closest rival house besides the Boltons are the Manderlys and they know they will never be able to control the North. We really don't need a lot of soliders to hold the Wall and like Stannis a cavalry charge should wreck most of them. So sending a good contingent of Reach men and Westerland men will help. I'm so glad there are no Others in this setting because I got various plans for the Lands beyond the Wall.
 
I feel like removing her from the safest place she could ever be barring us controlling Casterly Rock will be risky. Also I would send back the Greatjon, Mormonts and Hornwoods. The Glovers, Ryswells and Dustins will stay. The most Northern Houses head back to help secure their lands and quell their eventual agitating. The Boltons and their allies will stay behind and hopefully Roose might get a sword to the neck because the Dreadfort is a great castle to hold (seriously a two year siege in the height of winter is no joke). I know he's loyal and all that but the the closest rival house besides the Boltons are the Manderlys and they know they will never be able to control the North. We really don't need a lot of soliders to hold the Wall and like Stannis a cavalry charge should wreck most of them. So sending a good contingent of Reach men and Westerland men will help. I'm so glad there are no Others in this setting because I got various plans for the Lands beyond the Wall.

I hear what you're saying about Storm's End being the safest place for her.

But if she's traveling to Dragonstone, it looks like it would be mostly overland based on the map I mentioned And the sea travel would be in Blackwater Bay. So our fleet would be between her and other ships.


If we add mentioning a significant escort for protection (though I think that kind of goes without saying), she should be pretty safe.

But we can't really stage a hunt for Aegon from 'Shipbreaker Bay' of all places. Well, we could...but it doesn't seem like a great idea. And we can't really afford a delay on the matter, which there would be if we go to Storm's End.


So Umbers, Mormonts, Hornwoods going back North. Glovers, Ryswells, Dustins, and Boltons staying South? Along with Riverlanders and Valemen, of course. And you're suggesting a contingent of Reachmen and Westerland men.

I assume keep the total at approximately 30,000? Seems like a sufficiently sized force help stop the Wildlings.
 
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I hear what you're saying about Storm's End being the safest place for her.

But if she's traveling to Dragonstone, it looks like it would be mostly overland based on the map I mentioned And the sea travel would be in Blackwater Bay. So our fleet would be between her and other ships.


If we add mentioning a significant escort for protection (though I think that kind of goes without saying), she should be pretty safe.

But we can't really stage a hunt for Aegon from 'Shipbreaker Bay' of all places. Well, we could...but it doesn't seem like a great idea. And we can't really afford a delay on the matter, which there would be if we go to Storm's End.


So Umbers, Mormonts, Hornwoods going back North. Glovers, Ryswells, Dustins, and Boltons staying South? Along with Riverlanders and Valemen, of course. And you're suggesting a contingent of Reachmen and Westerland men.

I assume keep the total at approximately 30,000? Seems like a sufficiently sized force help stop the Wildlings.

Pretty much all my points although I feel that since Aegon has left and has no allies to set a staging point for invasion we should just focus on consolidating the South.

However I am open to hunting for him anyway since we need to gather more information about him and his odd movements during this time. I feel wary of Dragonstone because we have a pretender with a fleet wandering even though we been told he's left for the Free Cities, it just feels like inviting unnecessary disaster (paranoia mostly).

30k is honestly overkill to kill a bunch of savages when you have a Wall of ice thats 700 feet tall but its necessary for us to send that large amount all the way to a wasteland to kill off savages as a show of power and authority of the Iron Throne. The Young Dragon did it and helped reverse the decline of royal power the Targs were suffering and Baelor (for all his insanity) as well did help by bringing the Faith under the direct control of the Iron Throne.
 
Pretty much all my points although I feel that since Aegon has left and has no allies to set a staging point for invasion we should just focus on consolidating the South.

However I am open to hunting for him anyway since we need to gather more information about him and his odd movements during this time. I feel wary of Dragonstone because we have a pretender with a fleet wandering even though we been told he's left for the Free Cities, it just feels like inviting unnecessary disaster (paranoia mostly).

30k is honestly overkill to kill a bunch of savages when you have a Wall of ice thats 700 feet tall but its necessary for us to send that large amount all the way to a wasteland to kill off savages as a show of power and authority of the Iron Throne. The Young Dragon did it and helped reverse the decline of royal power the Targs were suffering and Baelor (for all his insanity) as well did help by bringing the Faith under the direct control of the Iron Throne.

The Wall might come down if the Wildlings have that horn...

hm, if that's the case maybe we shouldn't send too many people.

Tell you what, I'll make adjustments to the main plan to have Shireen travel over land as much as possible, with escort.

I'll also make a version of the plan that has us go to Storm's End, with a sub-vote of assigning a task force for Dragonstone. For that...Tarly is perhaps our best commander, but not our best admiral. Anyone have an idea who that would be?


Edit: whoops. Shireen riding to Dragonstone is actually not one of the vanilla options in the update, but a write-in.

Still, the way to Dragonstone is probably better more by land than see if only to avoid sailing in Shipbreaker Bay.
 
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The Wall might come down if the Wildlings have that horn...

hm, if that's the case maybe we shouldn't send too many people.

Tell you what, I'll make adjustments to the main plan to have Shireen travel over land as much as possible, with escort.

I'll also make a version of the plan that has us go to Storm's End, with a sub-vote of assigning a task force for Dragonstone. For that...Tarly is perhaps our best commander, but not our best admiral. Anyone have an idea who that would be?


Edit: whoops. Shireen riding to Dragonstone is actually not one of the vanilla options in the update, but a write-in.

Still, the way to Dragonstone is probably better more by land than see if only to avoid sailing in Shipbreaker Bay.
If that Wall comes down then the entire army is fucked anyway but I'm also sure Samwell has the actual horn which was found in the Fist of the First Men. But that's my own speculation.

Best admiral is Davos Seaworth if he is still alive. If not then send a Manderly they have some naval tradition if the Redwynes are unavailable.
 
[] Make for Dragonstone. Shireen can ride up there for the marriage while you oversee the hunt for Aegon.
-[] Shireen will travel with a considerable escort, of course, and mostly by land until she can reach a port at Blackwater Bay, making her way to Dragonstone from there.
-[] You will not leave any of the Seven Kingdoms undefended if you can help it, for a threat to one is a threat to all. You will send a force of 30,000 North to aid against the Wildlings. This force will include the Umbers, Mormonts, and Hornwoods along with contingents of Reachmen and Stormlanders. It will be under the command of the Greatjon. Dorne will be expected to contribute to the cause once Arianne Martell 'retires' her father.
-[] Send word to the Westerlands. Call for their arms, as part of the Realm, to assist in hunting down Aegon.
-[] Send envoys to the Free Cities. The main message will be that Westeros will not look kindly on those that harbor or aid the false dragon, his supporters, or anyone else that would try to usurp the throne of Westeros. Those opposed to him, either in arms or by providing information on him, will be looked on favorably as partners in future trade.
--[] City specific envoys:
---[] Braavos: appeal to their rivalry with the 'free' cities that support slavery. Aegon is backed by powerful forces in the other free cities. Probably by their rivals, and those that support slavery (open slavery, or slavery in all but name) at that. If Aegon took the throne the rivals of Braavos would have Westeros in their pocket.




[] Make for Storm's End. You cannot lose the Baratheons or their claim. You will reinforce it with a force of 20,000. Get hitched, then on to Dragonstone to personally oversee the Hunt for Aegon.
-[] You will not leave any of the Seven Kingdoms undefended if you can help it, for a threat to one is a threat to all. You will send a force of 30,000 North to aid against the Wildlings. This force will include the Umbers, Mormonts, and Hornwoods along with contingents of Reachmen and Stormlanders. It will be under the command of the Greatjon. Dorne will be expected to contribute to the cause once Arianne Martell 'retires' her father.
-[] Dragonstone will be the primary staging point for the Hunt for Aegon. Forces not going North or to Storm's End will gather here. This will be a joint effort between Randyll Tarly and Davos Seaworth, commanding the army and navy respectively.
-[] Send word to the Westerlands. Call for their arms, as part of the Realm, to assist in hunting down Aegon.
-[] Send envoys to the Free Cities. The main message will be that Westeros will not look kindly on those that harbor or aid the false dragon, his supporters, or anyone else that would try to usurp the throne of Westeros. Those opposed to him, either in arms or by providing information on him, will be looked on favorably as partners in future trade.
--[] City specific envoys:
---[] Braavos: appeal to their rivalry with the 'free' cities that support slavery. Aegon is backed by powerful forces in the other free cities. Probably by their rivals, and those that support slavery (open slavery, or slavery in all but name) at that. If Aegon took the throne the rivals of Braavos would have Westeros in their pocket.


Here we are. Two variations of 'Protector of the Realm'. I specified Shireen's route in the first version, and added calling out to the Westerlands for both. I figure asking for their aid in dealing with Aegon, getting in on the dragon killing fun, is more palatable then sending them north to fight Wildlings. And it's a chance for them to 'rejoin the fold'.

Tarly/Davos are in charge of the Hunt for Aegon while Robb gets hitched with the version that has him going to Storm's End. Though he'll get back there as soon as he can.

The version that has us going to Storm's End has us bringing a force of 20,000 to get us there.


Still not sure about the commander for the northern force. Greatjon is cool and all, but is he a good commander? How is Roose as a commander?

And any input about the other free cities? Anyone?
 
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[X] Plan Protector of the Realm

The prince of pentos does have a grudge against Illyrio, he married the princes cousin then after she died Illyrio married a whore which the prince saw as an insult, if we knew about that we might be able to get the prince to help.
 
[] Plan Protector of the Realm

The prince of pentos does have a grudge against Illyrio, he married the princes cousin then after she died Illyrio married a whore which the prince saw as an insult, if we knew about that we might be able to get the prince to help.

Does Robb know IC that Illyrio is backing F!Aegon, though?


I'm going to turn in for now.

If you guys have any suggestions or additions for either version of the plan, feel free to tag me in your post.
 
[X] Plan Protector of the Realm
Still not sure about the commander for the northern force. Greatjon is cool and all, but is he a good commander? How is Roose as a commander?
Can't Ned be the commander, he is the Warden of the North. Greatjon only needs to lead the men to the North. Or is he still laid up from his leg injury? He can still be carried around and give orders from the war camp surely?

And IIRC, Robb left for the south in a hurry and didn't raise the full Northern levies. Or did that change in this quest? If not, there should be more than ~25000 men for Ned to call up still in the North.
 
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How do we not already have enough men in the North? Didn't we send a sizeable army North with Ned to deal with this situation precisely? In canon, Stannis beat the Wildlings with an army of 1500 and the dregs of the Night's Watch.
 
Wedding and bedding the Baratheon bride is pretty much the only way Robb stays a king, I think. So people should probably vote for that.

Sidenote: Yeah, I'm alive again. (Slowly) Writing ADOTN's long-laboring ending.
 
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