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Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

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McLuvin said:
No one else aside from the Starks know of Jon as Rhaegar son, not only that but Lysa Tully got away with trying to kill us via a war without being called a Kinslayer and she is much more closely linked to us.
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I said that the possible relationship isn't well known. We don't know if Lysa Tully has been acclaimed to be a kinslayer, we just haven't heard about it. I was mostly referring to how Robb would view his own actions and inferring that he'd probably want to avoid kinslaying if at all possible, given that, in his narrative, he refers to Aegon as Jon's brother.
 
McLuvin said:
She wasn't, the other Vale knights aside from Royce were all for it until they found out Baelish was fucking her. Even then no one called her a Kinslayer or even an attempted Kinslayer
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Well, that's weaksauce... That's pretty overt. It's pretty hard to believe that no one called her out on that, especially the Royces. Anyway... I'm mostly concerned about Robb's perception of his own actions rather than the opinion of others.
 
[] Decline the truce. You're here to kill dragons and eat pigeon pie. And you're all out of fucking pigeons.

The only truce to be had is when he's dead. This is another blackfyre scheme!
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Adhoc vote count started by Genji on Aug 13, 2017 at 5:50 PM, finished with 95 posts and 62 votes.
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Genji said:
[] Decline the truce. You're here to kill dragons and eat pigeon pie. And you're all out of fucking pigeons.

The only truce to be had is when he's dead. This is another blackfyre scheme!
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Charcolt mentioned there's things going on in the Golden Company camp that we're not aware of.

I'd like to get some idea of what that is before jumping into a fight. Especially when it's on ground that they have had plenty of time to prepare.
 
Walpurgis Knight said:
Although Aegon's parentage is in question, he could very well be Robb's kin through Jon and not exhausting every option for peace before the battle could stain Robb in the eyes of the Realm as a kinslayer.
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Robb is absolutely not kin to Aegon. Jon's potential kinship to Aegon has no bearing on this, particularly since Jon joined the NW. Also, Faegon is a bastard of a Lyseni whore.

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spudman said:
Charcolt mentioned there's things going on in the Golden Company camp that we're not aware of.

I'd like to get some idea of what that is before jumping into a fight. Especially when it's on ground that they have had plenty of time to prepare.
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What possible thing could be going on that could change the situation?
 
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Walpurgis Knight said:
Although Aegon's parentage is in question, he could very well be Robb's kin through Jon and not exhausting every option for peace before the battle could stain Robb in the eyes of the Realm as a kinslayer. If the two sides can't reach an agreement and Aegon is slain anyway, then that's generally considered okay but denying a truce outright won't be seen well even if the end result is the same. This possible relationship isn't well known but the prospect will occur to Robb and IC, I think he'd go speak to F/Aegon first.
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Even if FAegon was the rightful heir of Rhaegar Targaryen he is not Kin to us, he would be at best the half brother of our cousin Jon, but he is not any sort of relative to Robb that I know about.

Having said that I´m curious to know that this little fucker has to say, so...

[X] Accept the truce. You will meet with this King Aegon
 
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Walpurgis Knight said:
he could very well be Robb's kin through Jon and not exhausting every option for peace before the battle could stain Robb in the eyes of the Realm as a kinslayer
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This isn't how kinslaying works, in a number of ways. For starters, Aegon isnt even related closely enough to Robb for it to count, second there is the context of the situation, Aegon has brought an army here to kill Robb and take his wife's throne, Robb can kill him in self-defence. Case in point, Rhaegar was cousins with Robert, but not even Targaryen loyalists call Robert a kinslayer.
 
Versharl said:
Robb is absolutely not kin to Aegon. Jon's potential kinship to Aegon has no bearing on this, particularly since Jon joined the NW. Also, Faegon is a bastard of a Lyseni whore.

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What possible thing could be going on that could change the situation?
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Not a clue what it is in particular. I'm just going on what charcolt mentioned about things going on within the Golden Company camp.

Perhaps there's some division going on, maybe some want to surrender and others don't. Maybe Daenerys is making a play for power. But those are just guesses and I have a feeling it's something out of left field. In any case we can't know for sure...which is why I want this meeting in hopes of finding out more.

We outnumber them vastly, but if we attack them now they'll be united in a desperate fight for survival, on ground they prepared. Victory is likely but it can be very costly.

If there's something we can find out that can prevent that, or at least mitigate things, I'd like to find out more.


Also, this isn't us going into their territory, in fact the meeting will be closer to our camp. That makes an attempted assassination an even worse idea for Aegon.
 
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[X] Accept the truce. You will meet with this King Aegon

Honestly, I'm curious and fuck it this quest could use some more risk.

Also now I'm wondering if Rhaego was the payment for Stannis' life by the Faceless Men
 
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Charcolt said:
Anyway I can say that this isn't exactly equatable to the death of Daeron I Targaryen. Assassinating an invading king when you're defending and have the support of the people is a bit different from assassinating the leader of a very pissed off army when you're a foreign invader with no support. There's more going on in the Golden Company's camp than meets the eye at this point.
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Shame that the QM confirmation/reminder that there's more going on behind the scenes than we know about probably came too late to reverse the murderboner/paranoia bandwagon.
 
[X] Decline the truce. You're here to kill dragons and eat pigeon pie. And you're all out of fucking pigeons.

The dishonorable man forfeits any civility in war.
 
Ashmaker said:
Shame that the QM confirmation/reminder that there's more going on behind the scenes than we know about probably came too late to reverse the murderboner/paranoia bandwagon.
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There's always tagging or PMing other players if anyone feels strongly about it. My experience is that arguments with bullet points tend to sway people to your side.

Anyway, this vote will be open for a while as I've got plenty of errands and packing to do today.
 
[X] Decline the truce. You're here to kill dragons and eat pigeon pie. And you're all out of fucking pigeons.
 
Charcolt said:
There's always tagging or PMing other players if anyone feels strongly about it. My experience is that arguments with bullet points tend to sway people to your side.

Anyway, this vote will be open for a while as I've got plenty of errands and packing to do today.
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Hmm...

  • Something is up in the Golden Company camp. Better to try and find out what it is rather than charge in.
  • We can always refuse their terms if we don't like them.
  • This is not Daeron the Young Dragon 2: Electric Boogaloo. The meeting is on neutral ground and closer to our camp of 100,000.
 
[X] Accept the truce. You will meet with this King Aegon

Don't let paranoia fuck over what could be a pretty interesting scene to read!
 
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I'm tempted to tag a bunch of people in my post with the bullet points to make sure they see the arguments for accepting the truce, but that seems like poor etiquette...
 
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