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Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

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[] You are right to execute him.
[] He should be showed mercy (write-in).
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If we want Tyrion fully with us we need Jaime alive. There's really nothing to be gained with executing him now. Cersei and Joffrey are dead, and Jaime himself has no actual ambitions that we have to worry about. Tyrion is more than enough to keep him in line.

*reads rest of chapter*
Oh. Oh, this is beautiful. Btw, I'm so glad we were nowhere near King's Landing when it went up in flames.
 
[X] He should be showed mercy, and to be frank executing a man in his condition is a waste of the headsman's sweat. We shall give him the choice of the Wall or lifetime house arrest in Casterly Rock, with his brother to be his warden. If he tries to spite us by demanding his execution, trial by combat or whatnot we'll truss him up like the roasted goose he is and deliver him to Lord Tyrion's custody
[x] Treasonous Reach Houses will send at least one memeber of their famiily with arms and armour to the Nights Watch, they will also pay double taxes to the crown for the next five years, any houses with more than one keep or fief will have their additional lands taken and distributed to more Loyal Reach houses. House Tyrell will give us Margaery Tyrell to be married to Dickon Tarly and will give us Olenna, Garlan and Alerie Tyrell as hostages.
 
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Truly, 'tis not a Charcolt quest unless King's Landing explodes.

[X] He should be showed mercy, and to be frank executing a man in his condition is a waste of the headsman's sweat. We shall give him the choice of the Wall or lifetime house arrest in Casterly Rock, with his brother to be his warden. If he tries to spite us by demanding his execution, trial by combat or whatnot we'll truss him up like the roasted goose he is and deliver him to Lord Tyrion's custody.
 
We should break the Reach. Give Randyll Tarly Highgarden (and Margaery to Dickon after a year to ensure no rumors of kingship) but split off Old town (at the least) into a new LP.

They are far far too big not to be a threat to everyone else, nearly twice the size of the next biggest realm.
 
[X] He should be showed mercy, and to be frank executing a man in his condition is a waste of the headsman's sweat. We shall give him the choice of the Wall or lifetime house arrest in Casterly Rock, with his brother to be his warden. If he tries to spite us by demanding his execution, trial by combat or whatnot we'll truss him up like the roasted goose he is and deliver him to Lord Tyrion's custody.

[x] Treasonous Reach Houses will supply a quarter of their levy to the Nights Watch, they will also pay double taxes to the crown for the next five years, any houses with more than one keep or fief will have their additional lands taken and distributed to more Loyal Reach houses. House Tyrell will give us Margaery Tyrell to be married to Dickon Tarly and will give us Olenna, Garlan and Alerie Tyrell as hostages.

I can get behind this. And it also gets us the remnants of the Lannister army firmly on our side against FAegon.
 
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No not the Yronwoods! Those damn Martells will pay! We should marry Arya to Ned Dayne and make him LP of Dorne and Prince of Torrentine, House Stark hegemony ftw!
 
[X] He should be showed mercy, and to be frank executing a man in his condition is a waste of the headsman's sweat. We shall give him the choice of the Wall or lifetime house arrest in Casterly Rock, with his brother to be his warden. If he tries to spite us by demanding his execution, trial by combat or whatnot we'll truss him up like the roasted goose he is and deliver him to Lord Tyrion's custody.

Voting mostly in the hope the bolded happens

[x] Treasonous Reach Houses will supply a quarter of their levy to the Nights Watch, they will also pay double taxes to the crown for the next five years, any houses with more than one keep or fief will have their additional lands taken and distributed to more Loyal Reach houses. House Tyrell will give us Margaery Tyrell to be married to Dickon Tarly and will give us Olenna, Garlan and Alerie Tyrell as hostages.

Hot diggity damn those rolls. And lol the fact that Joffrey was reasonable for once in his life resulted in his death.
 
Let's convince Stannis to merge the Crownlands and Stormlands into a single Kingdom so that the King actually has some power. The days of Dragons is past.
 
HanEmpire said:
Let's convince Stannis to merge the Crownlands and Stormlands into a single Kingdom so that the King actually has some power. The days of Dragons is past.
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Stannis is the man with dreams of Leviathan, so he's probably already planning to do that anyway.

I also wouldn't put it past him to try and annex part of the Reach or whatever.
 
"Treasonous Reach Houses will supply a quarter of their levy to the Nights Watch,"

A quarter of their levy is... a lot. @Charcolt might be able to give better numbers. Still, you'd be filling the Wall with Reachmen. Not sure it's wise to fill the Night's Watch with too many of one faction's men - that way lies a rebellion that might turn against the North.

And I think ya'll are voting a little too quickly for the first thing that comes up. We might need to be a bit more detailed on who gets punished and how.
 
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Enjou said:
"Treasonous Reach Houses will supply a quarter of their levy to the Nights Watch,"

A quarter of their levy is... a lot. @Charcolt might be able to give better numbers. Still, you'd be filling the Wall with Reachmen. Not sure it's wise to fill the Night's Watch with too many of one faction's men - that way lies a rebellion that might turn against the North.
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Considering the Watch desperately needs men and at least half of Renly's 60,000 abandoned him and won't be counted, and they'll lose most of their lands and they've lost a lot of their levy in this battle that's not as much as you may think.
Just spitballing but that might be about 6000 or so men
 
McLuvin said:
Considering the Watch desperately needs men and at least half of Renly's 60,000 abandoned him and won't be counted, and they'll lose most of their lands and they've lost a lot of their levy in this battle that's not as much as you may think.
Just spitballing but that might be about 6000 or so men
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6000 men is well over double, perhaps triple, what the Night's Watch currently has. Like I said, you're flooding the Wall with Reachmen. And some Stormlanders, I guess.

Also, the war isn't over. Bit early to be sending large masses of men to the Watch when Dorne, the Targs, and the Greyjoys are still a problem.
 
McLuvin said:
Considering the Watch desperately needs men and at least half of Renly's 60,000 abandoned him and won't be counted, and they'll lose most of their lands and they've lost a lot of their levy in this battle that's not as much as you may think.
Just spitballing but that might be about 6000 or so men
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And that's too much, heck just giving the NW 2000 Reachmen who fought for the same side is a recipe for disaster. The Night's Watch need more men, this is true. But when the new 'recruits' all hail from the same land and fought for the same side and outnumber the existing NW men, the Reachmen are going to be the dominant 'culture' / group and that's bad.
 
Enjou said:
6000 men is well over double, perhaps triple, what the Night's Watch currently has. Like I said, you're flooding the Wall with Reachmen. And Stormlanders, I guess.
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Yeah because we need them to hold the wall against Mance Rayder.

Where can they run anyway?
They don't have enough ships, they don't know the terrain, they are surrounded by Northern Lords and they are just lowborn peasants with no lordly leadership.

They can't escape and they are needed, part of aiding Stannis is that we were going to rejuvenate the Nights Watch.

That's what the vote does, it quadruples their numbers and raises them back to near peak
HanEmpire said:
No one will abide by letting a quarter of their levies go, that would cripple their economy and demographics. Levies are farmers, not sworn swords.
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That was the point, alongside the loss of property and double taxes it's meant to leave the rebel houses economically crippled.


I suppose I could lower it down to a tenth. Will edit it.

Hey @Duesal and @A_Somebody I have changed the punishment vote to a tenth of their levy, could you please factor in the change to your vote.

Thank you
 
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@Charcolt - I have an idea that is totally crack. Did Bronn perhaps do something worthy of being knighted during the battle? I kind of want to marry him to Brienne for the lulz.


McLuvin said:
Yeah because we need them to hold the wall against Mance Rayder.

Where can they run anyway?
They don't have enough ships, they don't know the terrain, they are surrounded by Northern Lords and they are just lowborn peasants with no lordly leadership.

They can't escape and they are needed, part of aiding Stannis is that we were going to rejuvenate the Nights Watch.

That's what the vote does, it quadruples their numbers and raises them back to near peak
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They could join the wildling army and reave and pillage the North, because they're pissed at being sent away from their homes to live in a cold frozen place. Remember in Droman's quest when all those Targ loyalists rebelled? You're just asking for that to happen.

We don't need to rejuvenate the Watch to the degree that we risk a rebellion. Stannis is willing to give support, meaning we can send a few thousand troops actually loyal to us to deal with the Wildlings.

McLuvin said:
That was the point, alongside the loss of property and double taxes it's meant to leave the rebel houses economically crippled.


I suppose I could power it down to a tenth. Will edit it
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You're still operating without actual numbers - ask Charcolt about that kind of thing before making assumptions. And again, levies are peasants. It's not that much of a punishment to the Reach lords. They need to send some second and third sons, or have fathers step down and take the black, etc.
 
McLuvin said:
That was the point, alongside the loss of property and double taxes it's meant to leave the rebel houses economically crippled.


I suppose I could power it down to a tenth. Will edit it
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Don't touch the levies, they're just clueless peasants being led around by their lords.

If you want to vitalize the Watch have the Reach send traitor lords to the North. They're the ones who chose to go with Renly, they're the ones who make up the political core, they're the ones with lifetimes of martial training, they're the ones who have the shred of honour needed to stand by their oath to the Nights Watch. If you send thousands of peasants up there you'll just end up with mass starvation on the Wall and an explosion of banditry in the North.
 
HanEmpire said:
Don't touch the levies, they're just clueless peasants being led around by their lords.

If you want to vitalize the Watch have the Reach send traitor lords to the North. They're the ones who chose to go with Renly, they're the ones who make up the political core, they're the ones with lifetimes of martial training, they're the ones who have the shred of honour needed to stand by their oath to the Nights Watch. If you send thousands of peasants up there you'll just end up with mass starvation on the Wall and an explosion of banditry in the North.
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Okay changed it to at least one memeber of their family in full arms and armour.

That good enough?
Enjou said:
Yeah, I get that. But what do you think will happen? They'll still be well fed and warm in their castles this winter, while it's their peasants who will suffer the extra taxes being short of hands for harvest.
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See above
 
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McLuvin said:
Yeah because we need them to hold the wall against Mance Rayder.

Where can they run anyway?
They don't have enough ships, they don't know the terrain, they are surrounded by Northern Lords and they are just lowborn peasants with no lordly leadership.

They can't escape and they are needed, part of aiding Stannis is that we were going to rejuvenate the Nights Watch.

That's what the vote does, it quadruples their numbers and raises them back to near peak

That was the point, alongside the loss of property and double taxes it's meant to leave the rebel houses economically crippled.


I suppose I could lower it down to a tenth. Will edit it.

Hey @Duesal and @A_Somebody I have changed the punishment vote to a tenth of their levy, could you please factor in the change to your vote.

Thank you
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i know mance have a lot of mens but he face the Wall juste send 2000 mens
a quarter will die in the first month but i will be worth it
and at the end of the war we will send 2000 targaryen loyalist
 
McLuvin said:
Okay changed it to at least one memeber of their family in full arms and armour.

That good enough?

See above
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I'd go with the heads of Houses, they're the ones who made the decision to go traitor. A vague wording like that will just cause the Reach to get rid of their ugly ducklings and least favourite sons - ie. the ones who disagreed with the lords the most. That's the segment that was ambivalent about or against the power grab btw.
 
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