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Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

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This seems a fair write-in.

[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
 
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pbluekan said:
No fucking way. Stannis is is the shitties of kings. That would literally go down in flames so fast it isn't even funny.

Shireen is a lesser, disfigured and likely sterile bride of a disgraced house. Our involvement is all he needs to win the war. Flat out.

Ask for the goddamn moon here or nothing.

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This Stannis doesn't have Melisandre prompting him to burn people. Davos has his ear a lot more.

Charcolt confirmed Shireen is not sterile. Not so worried about the scarring.


As for the odds, maybe we can improve them further by working out a deal with the Lannisters. The throne is a lost cause for them, but if we help make sure they don't lose everything...

Versharl said:
Another problem with joining Stannis and putting the fragments of the Seven Kingdoms back together is that the North will always be or become the periphery of the kingdom. It is the natural state of things due to its geographical position in the kingdom. It's the part that's most neglected because it's isolated from the rest and far away. We see this time and again through the lack of support the North receives towards, among others, the manning of the Wall. Until the North becomes independent, it'll never be able to utilize it resources appropriately and a marriage isn't going to change that, only postpone
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Davos said Stannis would make supporting the North and the Watch a priority. Both are good for their word.

Robb would be king-consort, so while Shireen may hold the reins of power, Robb will have a considerable influence on policy and priorities as her husband.
 
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NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
We should invite Stannis to the Riverlands and wait out the Renly vs Cersei war. The only point Renly can attack us is the Stoney Sept and if he tries to do that without defeating Cersei first, he'll either have to deal with the Lannisters first, or fight us with Lannister armies attacking his flank. If the Lannisters don't lose as badly as they did to us, we should have a decent shot at winning this thing.
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Not a terrible idea, but if Renly soundly beats the Lannisters and takes King's Landing, he would get a boost in legitimacy and more potential support in the form of the Crownlands. We might end up worse off than if we just took the fight straight to him. I guess the overall battle plan will be up to Stannis though.
 
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[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] Yes
 
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[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
 
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Think I want to jump ship to Plan Waffle. I'm a big fan of keeping options open and an even bigger fan of potentially adding another waifu to Winterfell for safekeeping.

I like Stannis, but can understand others not. I don't think anybody likes Renly though. He's got a lot of dudes behind him, but other than that? Sure Robert's legitimacy came from right of conquest and his blood ties were practically an afterthought, which is basically what Renly's aiming for, but there was a very good reason for Robert's Rebellion occurring. No one's setting anybody on fire here (especially with no Mel). Cersei's bastards do need to be ousted, but jumping in front of Stannis is just a naked grab for power. Stannis is quite the miserable cuss and he's got some real downsides to having him on the Iron Throne, but he isn't a bad dude, he's not Areys or even Rhaegar. So fuck Renly.

Basically what I'm saying is that I want Robb to go squish Renly. It could go poorly, as many pointed out, but Renly's not invincible, as other have pointed out. There will likely be no better opportunity for taking Renly down with the current STAB forces that can be brought together by joining up with Stannis, unless we can pull off some diplomatic sorcery and bring about a full BLAST alliance.

(Barnes' proposed offer to get the Lannisters on-side: Tyrion as Lord Paramount of the West, Jamie & Cersei stripped of all titles and banished, Tommen & Myrcella formally declared as bastards and stripped of all titles, then Tommen & Myrcella legitimized as Lannisters, Tommen named as Tyrion's heir [because seriously he's gotta be sterile to not have a single bastard with his lifestyle], and Tywin & Joffery go to the fucking Wall. Kevan I think would support Tywin's lawful heir as the new Lord of the Rock, Jamie & Cersei would be punished for their now very publicized crimes and be removed from the board without Tyrion having to agree to the death of his brother, Tommen & Myrcella have the stain of bastardy removed and still be useful to the Lannisters, and Jamie & Cersei get to live the rest of their lives together, declawed and miserable. Perhaps not enough heads on spikes for some people, but its the best end House Lannister can get at this point.)

And for those suggesting turtling, I would be all for it, but for as @Walpurgis Knight points out the very real threat of Renly gaining control of King's Landing, which would benefit no one we like and actively harm Stannis' cause, and like it or not Ned did already declare the North for Stannis. So we'd probably be better off engaging Renly before he gets to KL (or crush him against the walls once he gets stuck in).

Finally I don't think Robb should rest on his laurels too much. He's got a rep for slaughtering cunts now, and if too many cunts go around being cunts without getting slaughtered, people will start to talk. Hint: Renly is a cunt.
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.

[X] Yes.

Write-in schmite-in. We're backing Stannis, even with the write-in. Getting the marriages secures the Vales direct connection to us and Stannis will back the North and the Watch in the future.
 
You know what, screw the write in for the marriage. It's wishy washy bullshit. Lock in the marriage for the Vale so they're firm allies. We're not likely to find Sansa a better match.

[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] Yes
 
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[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.

[X] No.

It hurts, it really hurts but I gotta say no to Shireen...Also we need to get on Ned about getting Sansa a replacement Direwolf to serve as her chief Lady-in-Waiting. For non-threatening reasons, of course. Or a shadowcat.

Also how many kids are there in Winterfell at this point? I think we've got Arya, Sansa, four(?) Baratheon Bastards, Sweetrobin Stone(Make a good name for a band), Big and Little Frey, Myrcella Waters(I think?). Rickon and Bran certainly won't be lonely by the end of this Quest, I'm very sure. Nor will the newest litter of wolf pups. At this rate we may need to rebuild the Old Keep.
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X]Yes


Sansa is not Lyanna; as shitty as it is to be married to an idiot womanizer... well, there are worse positions to be in for someone with the drive to play an Eleanor of Aquitaine. In any case we need the Vale onside.

In regards to Stannis, in a perfect world we would ally with the Vale, Iron Islands and/or West, plus Riverlands to break the Baratheons and especially the Reach. The North is going to be a backwater in a unified Seven Kingdoms. I'd actually like to annex the Iron Islands and the Sisters, and go full on Britannia Fortress North but that's not an option realistically speaking (well, the II could be gained if we marry Asha and crush her idiotic father...).

Realistically I think the North should get a Prince of Winterfell type deal- full autonomy (including especially bank and city charters...), no taxation, the right to call themselves as nobility.

Stannis would actually probably respect us for the writin, insofar as we are doing our duty rather than simply being involved for personal gain. Nevertheless a Shireen betrothal actually makes quite a bit of sense for us, and given her youth the marriage wouldn't go through for a few years, by which time Stannis will either be victorious or dead anyway.
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X]Yes
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] No.

Frankly Harrold is a bad choice for her but not the worst and an alliance with the Vale is simply too much to pass up

That said, tempting as it is. We don't want to be that tied to Stannis.
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X]Yes
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.

[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
 
[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.

Basically, I don't want to do any marriages just yet.
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] No.

MagisterAurelius said:
Now regarding the matter of brothers Baratheon and the betrothal option... right now House Baratheon is a dumpster fire that will burn down anyone too close to it. The smart play is to politely decline, arguing that betrothal to Shireen would be better used shoring up ties and loyalty with Dorne, but certain economic concessions and investments would be welcome. Then drag out those negotiations and make no massive moves on behalf of either brother. If support must be sent to Stannis let it be as reparations and fealty from House Lannister from either Kevan or Tyrion. Let the brothers bleed each other white and then when Daenerys or Faegon show up with dragons, introduce them to their long lost brother Jon (whom we fostered and protected), and have Robb marry Daenerys.
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I lol'd. That's quite dastardly!

NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
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These seem like wafflely middle-ground votes that don't do anything but delay and annoy people who want an answer now. Not six months from now. Especially Stannis.
 
To everyone writing in here, just one quick thing: remember who we're dealing with here. It's Stannis. The Mannis' virtues are many and varied. One of them is the complete inability to deal with any kind of flowery, equivocating waffley bullshit. So I would really think about a dozen times before trying to serve him up a plate of it.
 
Vesvius said:
To everyone writing in here, just one quick thing: remember who we're dealing with here. It's Stannis. The Mannis' virtues are many and varied. One of them is the complete inability to deal with any kind of flowery, equivocating waffley bullshit. So I would really think about a dozen times before trying to serve him up a plate of it.
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Quest players have a bad habit of trying to choose a middle ground that will let them have their cake and eat it too.
 
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