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She can't always get what she wants.
Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest
- Thread starter Charcolt
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She can't always get what she wants.
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The North wouldn't accept a western wife, and it'd be impossible for us to properly claim and manage it from the North, the only region that it could be given too is the Riverlands.
However we are going to be ravaging the West with Robb so we can steal all the gold right out of their mines even as we burn their fields and scatter any host they try to organise
Literally pulling what Jon did in And Now My Watch is Ended. I like it!
Given that the Night's Watch can't even properly man their own defenses and are in a neverending decline... Maybe we should push for at some point disbanding it.
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My plan is to send the Blackfish to the Vale with 2000 warriors to hunt for Baelish alongside the rest of the Vale Lords when he inevitably flees Kings Landing
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[X] Plan CM 1.0
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Formerly known as Brain_Caster
[X] Plan Neutrality
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That's the wonder of feudalism. If Tywin wants it, he can do a lot of stuff as he long as he doesn't interfere with his due to the crown.
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I don't think the numerous religious people woulk take that very well, especially since it's so public.
Ok, finally on a computer that can access SV rather than a phone...
This might need to be "for X months" rather than an absolute statement of not marching on King's Landing. Or could also be not entering the Crownlands altogether, since not marching on King's Landing still lets us fuck over the Crownlands if we're so inclined.
I'm going to beat on this drum again because it's very important. Why in the nine frozen hells would we ever let Tywin out of our grasp, outside of maybe sending him to the Wall?
Tywin Lannister is one of the most dangerous men in all the world - he knows how to work politics very well, he's one of the best generals in the Seven Kingdoms, and he's utterly ruthless. He will remember this humiliation, and you can bet that if he ever has an opportunity to revenge himself upon the Starks that he will do so with glee. He's unlikely to accept anything less than the complete destruction of our House. Tywin Lannister cannot ever be allowed anywhere near any significant kind of power ever again, because otherwise Winterfell could easily end up as the next Castamere.
The Blackfish won't accept a marriage, likely not to anyone. If he wanted to marry he'd have made himself available to do so a long time ago. He's also not nearly worth as much in terms of being a match as Edmure is, and if we want House Lefford to flip sides then we'll want to make a really good offer - Lord Lefford having his first grandson be Lord Paramount of the Riverlands one day, and a second child who would inherit the Golden Tooth having close relations, would be quite the offer.
This might need to be "for X months" rather than an absolute statement of not marching on King's Landing. Or could also be not entering the Crownlands altogether, since not marching on King's Landing still lets us fuck over the Crownlands if we're so inclined.
I'm going to beat on this drum again because it's very important. Why in the nine frozen hells would we ever let Tywin out of our grasp, outside of maybe sending him to the Wall?
Tywin Lannister is one of the most dangerous men in all the world - he knows how to work politics very well, he's one of the best generals in the Seven Kingdoms, and he's utterly ruthless. He will remember this humiliation, and you can bet that if he ever has an opportunity to revenge himself upon the Starks that he will do so with glee. He's unlikely to accept anything less than the complete destruction of our House. Tywin Lannister cannot ever be allowed anywhere near any significant kind of power ever again, because otherwise Winterfell could easily end up as the next Castamere.
The Blackfish won't accept a marriage, likely not to anyone. If he wanted to marry he'd have made himself available to do so a long time ago. He's also not nearly worth as much in terms of being a match as Edmure is, and if we want House Lefford to flip sides then we'll want to make a really good offer - Lord Lefford having his first grandson be Lord Paramount of the Riverlands one day, and a second child who would inherit the Golden Tooth having close relations, would be quite the offer.
As Tywin would go last in the ransoming, it would be years before he'd set foot outside our area of control. A lot can happen during that time. I'm not expecting any peace we have with the Lannisters to last -- do you?
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I like that idea, it has my personal support and it's much more likely for the Riverlands to accept as they'd probably see it as a part of the wereguild.
What do you think of marrying Robb to Ysilla Royce now that Baelish is going to be removed or forced to flee and be hunted?
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I need to catch up and look at the different plans...
At the moment I'm inclined towards a plan that has us exchange Jaime and Kevan's kids for now in exchange for Ned and Sansa, along with reparations to the North and Riverlands and holding onto Gregor, Tywin, and Tyrion at least for now (likely execution for the former, future negotiations for the latter two).
But got to catch up to see if there are any good arguments.
Hm, I don't remember exactly when Cersei had all the bastards killed. Has that happened yet? Per Charcolt Gendry has made it to Robb's camp, but I'd like to get Barra out of the city if she's still alive. Ned would want to make sure Robert's children are safe.
At the moment I'm inclined towards a plan that has us exchange Jaime and Kevan's kids for now in exchange for Ned and Sansa, along with reparations to the North and Riverlands and holding onto Gregor, Tywin, and Tyrion at least for now (likely execution for the former, future negotiations for the latter two).
But got to catch up to see if there are any good arguments.
Hm, I don't remember exactly when Cersei had all the bastards killed. Has that happened yet? Per Charcolt Gendry has made it to Robb's camp, but I'd like to get Barra out of the city if she's still alive. Ned would want to make sure Robert's children are safe.
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Charcolt
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Not until A Clash of Kings. Barra is currently safe and can be added to your retinue with her mother. Good catch!
The next vote will be a transition into the next part of the story (now that we've finished the "save Ned" arc). It will include many options, including potential marriages for all the Stark children (except Rickon), outreach to other Kingdoms, actions as the war expands, and so on. Some of these possibilities will depend on what you choose here of course.
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.......it begins
I don't think it's ever worth risking.
Unless we're negotiating permanent neutrality or something along those lines, then it's not part of the current negotiations. I'm talking about negotiation with Lord Lefford himself.
I might be ok with it if there's political advantage in it, but it might not be necessary given that if Lord Stark claims he was a traitor and Lysa harbors him that they'll likely take the word of the honorable (and proclaimed innocent and honest by the gods) Lord Stark over the obviously crazy Lady Lysa (she's still breast feeding the boy, for god's sake!).
But we could also maybe look at Mychel Redfort for Sansa as an alternative to getting some Vale support - the Redforts are one of the principle houses of the Vale,
Based on the commentary I think I may have been too ambitious. CrimsonMoon's plan is acceptable, IMO, though making some adjustments that I mentioned above might be good.
@Crimson Moon - you should add this. Also might want to ensure Barristan is allowed to leave the city unharmed - you know Cersei is a vindictive bitch and might try something.
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Now that the whitewalker are gone the only thing beyond the wall are wildling, I just don't see a point in the wall or nightwatch anymore.
Charcolt
Comic Fan
I have a document with guesses for most characters' ages based on their relations. Alysanne Lefford is Sansa's age (currently thirteen).
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Oh that should be easier, we can intimidate him whilst Robb is ravaging the Westerlands. After all, not being raided by the Demon of Oldstones is a great extra benefit to marriage and undermining Tywins right over his Banner men like that will only further hurt the Lannisters as a whole.
The Redforts aren't really as prominent as the Royces, who are vocally pro Stark and house Arryns most powerful Banner man and of first men blood which also helps placate Northern dislike of 'southerners' whilst giving us a lot of influence in the Vale. Also after everything Sansa's been through in the south and the way our Northern Bannermen have come through for us I wanted her to have a Northern Marriage as Ned originally wanted, it'd also be seen as a major reward by our bannermen.
When Lysa harbours Baelish (because c'mon the Vale is his last power play available right now) and Lysa is removed it'll likely be the Royces who are put in charge of a regency council due to the fact Lord Royce was respected enough to march on the Vale with no implications alongside the Lords Declarent. It's very likely a Royce marriage could end up giving us the support of the kingdom of the Vale.
Actually, question - was Leo Lefford killed or captured during our battle with Tywin? He was at the Battle of the Green Fork in canon. (maybe we should roll for it?)
EDIT - he was in the center army in the Green Fork, by the by.