Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest
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And cue Ned falling into depression because he failed to save his daughter.
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Aside from that, last time there was no army marching undisputed to King´s Landing
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[x] Demand Trial by Combat
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[x] "And I come before you to speak the truth."
- [x] Demand trial by combat.
The way I see it, we are going down anyway. Being at the mercy of inbred kings hasn't worked well for Starks in the past and it probably isn't gonna work now.
We should delay and stall as much as possible and if that doesn't work we should destroy Joffrey's legitimacy.
- [x] Demand trial by combat.
The way I see it, we are going down anyway. Being at the mercy of inbred kings hasn't worked well for Starks in the past and it probably isn't gonna work now.
We should delay and stall as much as possible and if that doesn't work we should destroy Joffrey's legitimacy.
Oh, don't misunderstand me, guys. With the situation he's in, this is probably the only chance that Ned has. The POD wasn't that long ago and there's literally no reason why all the players in King's Landing should change their behaviors in regards to Ned and Sansa. PlayerRobb's actions haven't reached them yet, so there's no reason why Joffrey wouldn't be hell-bent on executing Ned.
The trial by combat is the only thing that might save him for a time, at least. Nothing's more important to Joffrey than looking like a good and just king. His image would suffer if he doesn't allow for the trial by combat. OTOH, his madness and rage might burn brighter here than his wish for glory.
Perhaps the best thing to happen to Robb would be if Ned is executed right here without a trial. Joffrey would make a lot of enemies that way and give allies to Robb.
But, still, guys, let's say that by some miracle Ned wins the trial by combat -- what then? You're not really thinking that the Lannisters will let him and Sansa go? There are a lot of things that can happen afterwards...accidents, infections of injuries, being "offered" to stay in the Red Keep as "honored guests"...And, certainly, Joffrey will not give up power just because Ned says he's a bastard and wins the trial...
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Kill Tywin and Jamie, Sack King's Landing.
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If they kill Ned and Sansa they have zero leverage over us, so we retaliate and execute every hostage we have, then proceed to take King's Landing and then abandon the city to whichever Baratheon happens to win.
Nah, that's what the Lannisters did in the last war. King's Landing people did nothing to us. Let's just focus on exterminating the "royal" family.
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Oh yeah, the Westerlands are a perfect target for our wrath. I'm just not keen on sacking King's Landing because that might turn the Baratheons against us. They don't want a burnt husk of a city--
Wait. That's all the more reason not to sack King's Landing.
If we start fires there's a chance they'll reach Aerys' wildfyre caches. Boom, there goes our army.
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I also agree t we should avoid sacking King´s Landing.
But the Red Keep is a perfectly viable target...
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We can also lay siege to King's Landing with strict orders to our army not to pillage, loot, burn, or otherwise harm the civilians. If we starve the city out we get dead Cersei and Joffrey without sacrificing our army to green flames.
Alternatively we have crannogmen slip in during the dead of night, sneak into the Red Keep, and slit the Lannisters' throats.
No arguments on my part, so long as we avoid blowing ourselves up.
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And maybe let Bolton flay some people as to scared them into surrender.
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There's the ancient ban on flaying that I'm not too keen on lifting (I mean, he flays in private, but I don't want to legitimize it), so we could just give him the go-ahead for everything else.
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This is why I'm backing trial by combat. Dramatic miracles like Barristan the Bold leaping from the crowd, staff in hand, to declare himself our champion would be incredibly cool, but that's not the option at hand. Right now it's all about stretching out the moment of truth for as long as possible. If we can keep this going until Kevan gets back to the Red Keep, we're in a stronger position than we are right now.
Remember the parable of Nasreddin and the singing horse: a lot can happen given enough time. We may die, Joffrey may die. Or maybe the damned horse will learn to sing.
IIRC technically flaying is banned only in the North due to the old rivalry between Starks and Boltons. It's still frowned upon in the South, but it should be possible.
Just saying that if we want to send a message to not fuck with Robb, we may have a method.
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I don't think flaying is actually legal in the south, especially since Jaehaerys I gave all kingdoms except Dorne a unified code of law.IIRC technically flaying is banned only in the North due to the old rivalry between Starks and Boltons. It's still frowned upon in the South, but it should be possible.
Just saying that if we want to send a message to not fuck with Robb, we may have a method.
If Ned survives he's also going to be pretty angry if we've actually had people flayed.
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Once day, when the sage Nasereddin was visiting the capital city, the Sultan took offense at a joke that was made at his expense and immediately had Nasereddin arrested and imprisoned. Nasereddin begged for forgiveness but the Sultan was furious, and ordered him to be executed the next day. That morning, Nasereddin went before the Sultan and said. "O mighty Sultan, you know me as a man of great wisdom. If you but delay my sentence for a year, I will teach your favorite horse to sing!"
The Sultan knew quite well that no such thing was possible, but Nasereddin was one of the greatest teachers in all the world. Besides, his anger had cooled somewhat and he was amused by the sage's audacity. "Very well," he replied. "You have a year. But if you have not taught my horse to sing by the end of that year, I will have your head."
That evening, Nasereddin's friends came to visit him, and found the sage in surprisingly good spirits. "How can you be so happy?" they asked. "Do you really believe you can teach the Sultan's horse to sing?"
"I now have a year which I did not have yesterday," Nasereddin replied. "Much can happen in that time. The Sultan may come to repent his anger and release me. He may die in battle or of illness, and it is traditional for a successor to pardon all prisoners upon taking office. He may be overthrown, and again it is traditional to release prisoners in that time."
Nasereddin shrugged. "And if all that doesn't come to pass, maybe the damned horse will learn to sing."