I remember finding a short story about a dragon hatching and impressing in a middle school english textbook and there was just enough info for me to know it was based on a larger series and it was so powerfully written and engaging that it stuck with me for more than a year until I tracked down the series in my freshman year of high school.
The Smallest Dragonboy - found in numerous anthologies, but first in Get Off The Unicorn. The lead character, Keevan, became K'van, one of the Weyrleaders. While he's present in the original trilogy, he gets his day to shine in Renegades of Pern. Love that story, love that character.
I desperately want a tv adaptation. Honestly if someone just expanded on the books…. Fuck it's got everything that made game of thrones so engaging just in different proportions.
A Pern TV series given the Game of Thrones budget and treatment has been my number one media wish for over a decade, they've proved we can do amazing dragons on screen. McCaffrey was my favorite author growing up, and I think Pern was her best work. It also has a pretty old, but surprisingly good for it's time, adventure game.
As for Taylor in Pern. It will definitely be stepping on someone else's toes, not wouldn't it be perfectly appropriate for her to end up as the Fire Lizard Queen, instead of a Dragon Rider herself? Not to control them, but any to communicate and coordinate with dozens of hundreds of them over a pretty decent range. Being able to share senses with them so freely, to connect with them without needing to impress them all at birth, and just having a better idea of what they are thinking in general than anyone else.
She would make a great Harper, and never have to deal with the responsibilities or requirements of bonding with a Gold. lthough it also means she doesn't become relevant until the third book, and yeah, would kind of just completely replace
Melody, but has the advantage of Melody already giving us a good idea of what her role would be like and how people would react to a surprise non rider woman becoming important and influential. Just a right guidline, really, nothing else would map Taylor to her aside from their place as lizard interpreter.
A Pern TV series given the Game of Thrones budget and treatment has been my number one media wish for over a decade, they've proved we can do amazing dragons on screen. McCaffrey was my favorite author growing up, and I think Pern was her best work. It also has a pretty old, but surprisingly good for it's time, adventure game.
As for Taylor in Pern. It will definitely be stepping on someone else's toes, not wouldn't it be perfectly appropriate for her to end up as the Fire Lizard Queen, instead of a Dragon Rider herself? Not to control them, but any to communicate and coordinate with dozens of hundreds of them over a pretty decent range. Being able to share senses with them so freely, to connect with them without needing to impress them all at birth, and just having a better idea of what they are thinking in general than anyone else.
She would make a great Harper, and never have to deal with the responsibilities or requirements of bonding with a Gold. lthough it also means she doesn't become relevant until the third book, and yeah, would kind of just completely replace
Melody, but has the advantage of Melody already giving us a good idea of what her role would be like and how people would react to a surprise non rider woman becoming important and influential. Just a right guidline, really, nothing else would map Taylor to her aside from their place as lizard interpreter.
Yeah but I liked Melody. Sure she was all insecurity from head to foot but she had amazing character growth over her story arc. Taylor wouldn't. And while a Taylor determined to follow in her mothers footsteps and teach, albeit through song, could be interesting I'm not super musically inclined. My family all kind of specialized? My Mom does sowing knitting and painting, my brother plays every instrument he can find but mostly guitar, I write. It's been an idle thought of mine that between the three of us we could produce a full musical backdrops, songs, costumes, and story XD
Anyway back on track I like melody, was that actually her name? I remember it starting with an m but melody seems a bit too on the nose….
Right I liked melody but Kilara can rot between and I would very happily replace her to spare Brekka her unfortunate fate.
It's very close, Menolly, so much so that I keep morphing it to Melody in my head. And I agree, while it's an interesting thought to slot Taylor into her position, I really liked Menolly as a Protagonist. As a note, it is possible for someone bonded with a dragon to also impress upon fire lizards, as F'nor did, so you could absolutely have Taylor with both a dragon and a swarm of fire lizards for the smaller tasks, one of which being they can help preen and groom a dragon.
The Ninth Pass is where most people focus, naturally enough because that's when most of the books are focused. But there's also the period of Moreta/Nerilka.
And if you really want to have some fun - Contessa pops her after Gold Morning either 1) shortly after Landing, or 2) right at the re-discovery of Landing, about the time AIVIS is awakened. What effects would having someone who was already familiar with the concepts of computers and general technology have? Of course, the way AIVIS was handled in the stories was colored by the time they were written in… but still, Taylor would have a leg up on what to ask for.
I could imagine Taylor meeting Menolly, seeing her nervous and insecure and twitching at all the fire lizards, and thinking
"It's like looking at a mirror into the past. Is this me? Is there some inter-dimensional shenanigans here?"
It's what 3am and not checking auto correct. Don't post tired, dumb mistakes slide in.
But yeah, my reasoning was not at all a dislike of Menolly, she just happens to be in a perfect spot to slot Taylor in, for what I would picture as the ideal niche for her. The lady of the swarm, except now the swarm is cuter, psychic, and breathes fire. She still looks like an underdog compared to people who ride actual dragons, but learns to leverage what she does have with the little lizards to be quite influential.
But with her as a rider... The main thing I think about what Taylor specifically brings with her to the setting is a mind, at least somewhat, used to being in constant psychic connection with multitudes. If she has a vague sense for when dragons were before getting picked up for a hatching, and the connection of the bond opening her mind up to suddenly just see ever dragon in the weyr. Not control them, because that would be too much for the story and for her, but for the irony and potential for healing of her becoming a mobile super coordinator once thread starts falling. She's not necessary in this role, they got by without her in canon, but her letting the dragons options coverage and work together better leads to any area she's deployed to seeing almost zero injuries still let's her be a different kind of important.
I picture it not as control, of any kind, and not something she can do on her own. But focusing hard on the bond with her own, new queen, let's her old experience and the dragon's natural psychic abilities merge in a way that helps directly connect to the mind of every other dragon and possibly even rider, in a range that depends more on the dragon than Taylor.
Not control them, because that would be too much for the story and for her, but for the irony and potential for healing of her becoming a mobile super coordinator once thread starts falling. She's not necessary in this role, they got by without her in canon, but her letting the dragons options coverage and work together better leads to any area she's deployed to seeing almost zero injuries still let's her be a different kind of important.
Canon already has the super-coordinator, except after her trauma from Lady Thella, Aramina *hides* from the dragons. That's a major reason she and her husband have their holding at Paradise River, on the Southern Continent.
Perhaps bring Taylor in before Gold Morning? Maybe even before Leviathan? Leave her on Pern, and Earth Bet is destroyed - but I'm fairly certain the Federation of Sentient Planets (a misnomer, there's only one known sentient planet in that universe) is in a much better position to handle the Entities. After all, they have experience with crystals that can integrate with humans (the Hepatite Guild), and even that aforementioned sentient planet, PeeTayBee (which might actually be the remnants of a shard, before they were destroyed!) For that matter, that might be the origin of Thread, because it pretty much has to be a bioweapon that got away from its creators - Thread was meant to eat Entities. Perhaps for the most part, it succeeded in the FSP universe, before the Entities became too widespread.
K so I forgot just how sexist and… yeah no, abusive Menolly's Dad was. Guys Taylor reborn as Menolly would commit untraceable patricide if she was reborn as that mans kid and not even feel bad about it. Also possibly the mom/foster mom. Not sure I followed who the fuck the woman bossing her around is. Even if she got Menollys talent or faked it with remembered songs from earth…. Nope. Patricide become a weyr woman. Then either find a bronze rider she can like and who will shut up when she talks, starts a feminist uprising armed with flamethrowers, or just fucks off into the southern jungles to live the life of a hermit with her bonded dragon that loves her unconditionally.
Excuse me, a feminist uprising backed by an army of fire lizards is 100% a story I would read. Why be the first female Harper when you could instead found your own ladies only organization, and make sure you get the backing of a strong Gold rider or two.
Excuse me, a feminist uprising backed by an army of fire lizards is 100% a story I would read. Why be the first female Harper when you could instead found your own ladies only organization, and make sure you get the backing of a strong Gold rider or two.
I'd read it too. But I am not equipped to write a story about it. Perns sexism is culturally ingrained. Education for the masses consists primarily of teaching songs followed by apprenticeships. Girls are limited to stereotypical "women's work" with a very few exceptions for nobility and Queen riders who's duties include running the domestic side of things and a degree of politics though much less than their husbands would be expected to handle. It's engrained in the culture and yeah Pern is undergoing a bit of a cultural revolution at that time but…. Gosh dang I don't know that I'm equipped to write a feminist uprising among a middle ages culture. I really don't think I have the understanding of the culture the mindsets of the people or early feminism. Yes I said early feminism. I am all for equality and I'm not saying it's universal but the fact the Dadvocate youtube channel exists and it's popularity, pretty strongly shows that we've hit a point where aspects of feminism have become toxic enough to prompt a counter culture response.
…. I believe I've strayed from the topic.
The closest I've gotten to societal conditioning was the "you have to go to college if you ever want a good job" lie. And that left me fucked up for awhile, but it was ultimately something pushed starting in middle school, and I got over that very much not working out when my family gave me a kick in the ass helped me get started as a welder. That's just not the same as seeing everyone like you limited to one lot in life and systematically being considered lesser. That doesn't prepare me to write the terror and bravery required in looking at life, standing up and declaring this needs to change when you have very limited options to affect that change and speaking out risks being assaulted, especially when most people will shake their heads and agree that if you'd kept you mouth shut the other person wouldn't have needed to do that to you. That is such a toxic mess and it deserves to be remembered and dragged out for people to see. Where it can remind both sexes why feminism and women's rights are so important. Not this "be 6 foot with a 6 pack and make a six figure salary or be resigned to not dating" bullshit, as one example. I'd never argue against child support, but alimony basically says women can't be expected to earn as much as men and I saw it nearly destroy my uncle because he had so much trouble finding a place cheep enough he could live in after he lost the house in the divorce.
It's really important to dust off uncomfortable truths so we never forget, but it's also important to remember that some of those truths are outdated and what people set out to change has changed.
I am going so far off topic today……..
I lack the first hand experience to breath life into the concept. I very obviously have conflicting feelings about feminism based on what it's being turned into by some people vs what it started out as. I definitely don't know enough about how early feminism worked or how they eventually won recognition. Honestly you'd think history class would have gone over that in more detail, or maybe they did and it's just been to damn long.
No. I could see that becoming an amazing story. But this isn't even about my muse not biting at an idea, or being a little outside my comfort zone. I could not do an idea like that properly and I don't want to try. A pern story where a Queen Rider is pushing for more equality and forcing herself into the discussions between weyr leaders and lord holders and chipping away at prejudices by forcing them to acknowledge her and her ideas and efforts I believe I could manage. But not what you're suggesting.
I do not blame you for not wanting (or being able to) write that story. I can't write Pern as a setting at all either. My muses hate the setting and any time I try to read about it I find my attention getting dragged away from it almost immediately.
I lack the first hand experience to breath life into the concept. I very obviously have conflicting feelings about feminism based on what it's being turned into by some people vs what it started out as. I definitely don't know enough about how early feminism worked or how they eventually won recognition. Honestly you'd think history class would have gone over that in more detail, or maybe they did and it's just been to damn long.
A lot of early or first-wave feminism (starting in the 19th Century) was doing things somewhat like what Menolly does in her trilogy of Pern books. It was about securing the right to vote (more broadly, the right to participate in politics), the right to participate in higher education, and the right to work. The early feminists in America were heavily involved in the abolitionist movement, and many were also involved in the temperance movement. If you want to know more, look up people like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and Lucretia Mott.
The second wave starting in the 1960s focused on legal and financial equality for women. The current third wave has ventured out into more philosophical questions about what it means to be a woman or a man, and has also been wrestling with the disparate experiences of white women versus women of color.
A pern story where a Queen Rider is pushing for more equality and forcing herself into the discussions between weyr leaders and lord holders and chipping away at prejudices by forcing them to acknowledge her and her ideas and efforts I believe I could manage. But not what you're suggesting.
The fantasy in my head definitely includes this. I don't know how I would wrap things to make Taylor and Lessa close, but it's definitely a joint effort between the revolutionary new Gold Rider and the revolutionists Fire Lizard Lady. A challenge to not have the new character come in and completely overtake everything from the original cast, Taylor comes in as the vizier whispering ideas Queen's ear and making sure the plans are followed through.
Maybe I'll mock up a very rough draft once I'm done with my Azarinth Healer alt power, that will never see the light of day...