Valkyria Chronicles: Drums of War
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They cannot.
Mostly it is a problem where, a cased spitzer round, especially as the follower spring wears, can cause detonation in the tube.
I have been thinking about this for a bit, and what I am settling on is
- Pick one
- Bureaucracy option to refine if desired
- Build it.
So... my intended vote and why.
[ ] Federal Alchemic
[ ] Reject [Shipyard]
[ ] Reject [Cold Springs]
[ ] Walt-Hewlett
[ ] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[ ] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle.
The reason for Federal Alchemic instead of Watt and Henderson is that, on average, it's six 50 sided dice to complete. With Federal Alchemic, that's 40 Resources over 2 turns, with Watt and Henderson it's 45 resources over 3 turns. If the rolls are low and another roll has to be made, it's 60 resources over 3 turns, or 60 resources over 4 turns, in which case, while cost is the same, it's still completed a turn earlier.
Rejecting both the contracts for the shipyard and the armoury because they are just terrible contracts.
For the machine gun, going for Walt-Hewlett as we are looking for something mobile while their performance is otherwise not that different AFAICT. If we were looking for a fortress machine gun I would be more interested in the Hochmann or telling the army to buy some navy machine guns.
For the artillery we're going with the Valois 76mm, the army wants something to do field gun things with, moving around the battlefield at speed and cutting down troops in the open. This fulfills that requirement quite well. I would've preferred a Vinlandic design, but apparently our artillery designers are being a bunch of muppets.
For the carbine I'm going for the Walt. While I would've preferred the Chatam, the carbine is intended to be rolled out more widely than just the cavalry, and instead be provided to support troops in general as well. Such a wide roll out would make the Chatam a little too expensive, while the Walt is also noted as being suited to upgrading to a higher velocity round, which will be useful in the future.
[ ] Federal Alchemic
[ ] Reject [Shipyard]
[ ] Reject [Cold Springs]
[ ] Walt-Hewlett
[ ] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[ ] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle.
The reason for Federal Alchemic instead of Watt and Henderson is that, on average, it's six 50 sided dice to complete. With Federal Alchemic, that's 40 Resources over 2 turns, with Watt and Henderson it's 45 resources over 3 turns. If the rolls are low and another roll has to be made, it's 60 resources over 3 turns, or 60 resources over 4 turns, in which case, while cost is the same, it's still completed a turn earlier.
Rejecting both the contracts for the shipyard and the armoury because they are just terrible contracts.
For the machine gun, going for Walt-Hewlett as we are looking for something mobile while their performance is otherwise not that different AFAICT. If we were looking for a fortress machine gun I would be more interested in the Hochmann or telling the army to buy some navy machine guns.
For the artillery we're going with the Valois 76mm, the army wants something to do field gun things with, moving around the battlefield at speed and cutting down troops in the open. This fulfills that requirement quite well. I would've preferred a Vinlandic design, but apparently our artillery designers are being a bunch of muppets.
For the carbine I'm going for the Walt. While I would've preferred the Chatam, the carbine is intended to be rolled out more widely than just the cavalry, and instead be provided to support troops in general as well. Such a wide roll out would make the Chatam a little too expensive, while the Walt is also noted as being suited to upgrading to a higher velocity round, which will be useful in the future.
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Almost impossible problem with competently produced ammunition.
Almost impossible problem with competently produced ammunition, the French had the Lebel serve faithfully for decades without worry as such. Even then most fears can be fixed by toughening up the primer and adding a dimple ring to the base of the case to catch the tip of the bullet behind it and keep it from moving around inside the tube.
On another note I think we can fix our issues with malnutrition by simply conquering some tropical islands to make shipping fruit back home to be canned much cheaper /s
More seriously though I'm fine with both the Walt machinegun and rifle, though I'm tempted to reject the artillery bid to see what else we can get. Honestly something like a hotchkiss revolving cannon might be neat to have pop up.
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- Location
- Buskerud, Norway
the Walt-Hewlett sounds like it is probably the m1895 potato digger the hochmann sounds more like the french hotchkiss machinegun using metallic belts like the norwegian version did.
As for rifles the obvious choice is to go for one of the 5 round bolt action guns currently leaning towards the Walt though
As for rifles the obvious choice is to go for one of the 5 round bolt action guns currently leaning towards the Walt though
- Location
- his hidden lair
I'm aware but the idea has lasted to this day - and from a quick look into the subject the French did do some modifications to the 8mm Lebel in 1915 to better prevent the primer from going off in the magazine- there's always the risk that our military procurement doesn't make such adjustments in advance or the older ammo gets shipped out (though it's possibly just a non-issue in the first place). And ammunition quality control is absolutely going to slip when Vinland gets thrown into full scale military mobilization without experience in the matter. The amount of military production we're going to need to spin up from nothing as the war escalates practically guarantees that ammunition quality is going to be pretty crap for a bit.
Besides, 8mm Lebel is disgusting and unnatural it somehow being fine while a spitzer in a tube magazine is par for the course
Edit: As far as I'm aware, the French 75 is actually a pretty solid artillery piece for the time, and the Americans did go on to adopt and use it a fair bit in WW1. For an infantry/field artillery piece it's good, it just absolutely can't replace the need for heavier artillery
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I get where you are coming from and in all honesty I am just looking to recreate the US World War 1 service rifle, machine gun, and pistol (because this is what caused the .34APC round which we still use today to be created because the military kept on throwing designs back in-till they got their own specially made round and gun to use it in). I don't actually know all that much about the setting (or the time period it is supposed to be based in though I think it is just before World War 1 at least for the US when these designs where made and adopted) so I'm just looking for real world examples because I think it would be fitting but if it doesn't fit just ignore my back-seating and seriously uninformed opinion on this topic.
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THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
Patriotism demands I vote for the not!Ross.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
Patriotism demands I vote for the not!Ross.
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- Location
- Buskerud, Norway
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle.
voting for the walt because I want to force the army to adopt it as a standard rifle
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle.
voting for the walt because I want to force the army to adopt it as a standard rifle
- Pronouns
- SargentRex
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Walt - Bolt action, five round integral magazine, generally competently made short rifle.
- Pronouns
- Their/Them
Speaking of which, how well is the Skræling population doing? I mean since we're playing as Vinland. That's going to be a major racial dynamic. Native people of Vinland.
I thought that was an important question to ask since I didn't see anything about it. I mean this is Valkyrie Chronicles. It seems weird to not have something about racial tensions.
I just I'm wondering if that's going to be a significant issue in the future
I thought that was an important question to ask since I didn't see anything about it. I mean this is Valkyrie Chronicles. It seems weird to not have something about racial tensions.
I just I'm wondering if that's going to be a significant issue in the future
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- Location
- United States
[X] Harney Electrical Company
[X] Huntington-Adams
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Edinburgh BLQF 124mm-SB
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
Do like the three currently being voted for, but I'll vote for these two.
[X] Huntington-Adams
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Edinburgh BLQF 124mm-SB
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
[X] Marsden - Semiautomatic, ten round magazine, incompatible with bayonets, expensive to produce, unreliable in extreme conditions
Do like the three currently being voted for, but I'll vote for these two.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Watt and Harrelson
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Thornton - bullpup, ten round magazine, iffy ergonomics, bolt action
I'm interested in signaling the contractors for more bullpup designs and larger magazines. I'll eat the iffy ergonomics in return for that.
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Thornton - bullpup, ten round magazine, iffy ergonomics, bolt action
I'm interested in signaling the contractors for more bullpup designs and larger magazines. I'll eat the iffy ergonomics in return for that.
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- Location
- Here, there, everywhere.
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Reject [Artillery]
[X] Sturgeon - Lever action rifle, full power round, tube magazine gate loaded.
I feel fine rejecting Artillery, there is definitely much more in the world of ordinance than just those two out there. To be honest I'd like to see if we can get some sliding wedge locks and similar, I'd rather have those as institutional knowledge than screws. Or even a revolving cannon.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Reject [Artillery]
[X] Sturgeon - Lever action rifle, full power round, tube magazine gate loaded.
I feel fine rejecting Artillery, there is definitely much more in the world of ordinance than just those two out there. To be honest I'd like to see if we can get some sliding wedge locks and similar, I'd rather have those as institutional knowledge than screws. Or even a revolving cannon.
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Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
[X] Federal Alchemic
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
I'll go local in the rifle category, especially if we can order Chatam to improve upon their design.
[X] Reject [Shipyard]
[X] Reject [Cold Springs]
[X] Walt-Hewlett
[X] Valois Model 1897 76mm
[X] Chatam - Straight pull bolt action, five round magazine.
I'll go local in the rifle category, especially if we can order Chatam to improve upon their design.
- Location
- his hidden lair
Thinking about things more, I think the 76mm is probably going to be even more effective given the differences in VC's combat and the viability of infantry body armor. The increase of infantry survivability means combat isn't going to hinge around fortifications and entrenchment in the same way with more emphasis on maneuver.
Now, something like a Hotchkiss revolver cannon could be really interesting, or be too small for it's shrapnel and burst to have an effective lethal radius against armored infantry. I wouldn't mind developing a similar weapon eventually, but I'm not betting on that sort of thing to be the first piece of a modern artillery park.
Now, something like a Hotchkiss revolver cannon could be really interesting, or be too small for it's shrapnel and burst to have an effective lethal radius against armored infantry. I wouldn't mind developing a similar weapon eventually, but I'm not betting on that sort of thing to be the first piece of a modern artillery park.