Cleaning Up After The Ancients (Stargate SI)

Pretty sure that was Carter, though for her it was intentional. McKay could totally have done so accidentally.

He destroyed 3/4 of an uninhabited solar system by turning on an ancient power generation experiment that he couldn't turn off. The same one that someone was crazy enough to let him try to replicate on Atlantis!

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Given they did do scans, I assume they arrived before the Wraith infiltrator from the show did.
 
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It's likely that the ATA gene disappears within the human population after a set number of generations and unintentionally breeding with a distant cousin allows for two gene holders to keep it alive within their family.

I say this because it's been stated that the ATA gene is rare in Earth's population so unless the Goa'uld unintentionally took a lot of gene holders for their galactic breeding program the numbers don't add up.
That'll depend on how the activation gene works. Do the Lantean machines do a full DNA check? Or do they check for proteins the gene produces in the body? Because having a gene, having it active, and having express properly are all very separate things. Since it's used for everything most things might just scan for a proteins.

Most humans might have the gene in part or in full. But for most it's switched off. Sheppard and Beckett have the gene active and expressing more or less fully. But everyone else needs a booster to get it both on and expressing the right way.
 
How long has it been? The way these things work is that pretty much everyone in Europe is descended from everyone who was alive in Europe in the 800s who had children who lived to be adults. You're descended from Charlemagne? Yeah, you and 600 million other people.

[Exact numbers may vary wildly]
Going by the stated effectiveness of the Gene Therapy, at this point 47% of Earth's population is descended from an Ancient.

Something to consider about this subject however, it would technically be perfectly within the rules for an Ascended Ancient to Descend, have children with someone, then re-Ascend.


Why do I suspect this is a standard check box on most incident report forms?
Because you'd be right. After a certain point the checkbox just made sense to the maintenance corps.


Eventus probably updated the ship's ID in the system; thus when the two ships were doing their handshake that was the name the Aurora received.
Yup, it was literally just that.


McKay's gene was dormant; he always had it; the gene therapy just allowed for it to be expressed.
Yup, that was the explanation in the books and since it makes a lot of sense in the context of the human made gene therapy that's what I'm running with.
 
I believe that Eventus used a different signal to the one from the show ( along the lines of 'Atlantis needs to know if you are there' as opposed to 'Atlantis is in trouble can you help')

Unfortunately not. Evan noted the signal is an automatic one triggered by powering up the city. Anything which hears it reports back in a way the Wraith can't track. However, anything in distress then automatically sends a SOS in the clear.

The Ancients always assumed they would have the advantage in drive speed. Not that it would be a random group that doesn't even know how to check for a response.
 
That'll depend on how the activation gene works. Do the Lantean machines do a full DNA check? Or do they check for proteins the gene produces in the body? Because having a gene, having it active, and having express properly are all very separate things. Since it's used for everything most things might just scan for a proteins.

Most humans might have the gene in part or in full. But for most it's switched off. Sheppard and Beckett have the gene active and expressing more or less fully. But everyone else needs a booster to get it both on and expressing the right way.
The wiki answer that with this line:
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According to Dr. Carson Beckett, who discovered its existence, the ATA gene is always on, instructing various cells in the body to produce a series of proteins and enzymes that interact with the skin, the nervous system and the brain, allowing gene carriers to operate Ancient technology by thought alone.

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The Atlantis expedition uses a ranking system called "Chair Interface Aptitude" (or CIA) that ranks people with the ATA gene in the order of their ability to use the Ancient Control chair, the single most sophisticated piece of technology requiring the gene as well as the one most dependent on the user's mental aptitude.

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The technology possesses sensors which can detect the gene in any human, usually through physical contact.
Going by the stated effectiveness of the Gene Therapy, at this point 47% of Earth's population is descended from an Ancient.
That number may be falling as in Season 1x13 the percentage is stated to be 48% and by season 3x03 it's 47%. Such a small percentage is largely ignorable but they'd likely be logging every dose given and if falls by 1 percentage after a full year when they're trying to give it to anyone who goes to Atlantis...

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On a different note I like how SG1 unintentionally makes Jonas, Sam, and Jacob all active carriers of the gene. The former when he turns on the bug seeing device that breeched the mountain and the latter two because they were able to operate the Dakara superweaon.
 
McKay hasn't blown up a solar system, or technically just most of one, yet.
And probably won't in this timeline, since Eventus knows about the risks of Project Arcturus.
Might bounce ideas off the Asgard, though.


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The only reason they tried to recreate Arcturus was because Jeanie Miller nee McKay, Rodney's sister, came up with the math for a Dimensional Bridge, which they could use to draw power from another universe via Arcturus, and dump the hazardous side effects in that other universe.
 
Maybe The Ancient Gene is like Mitochondrial DNA? Just not inherited from only the mother? And you need some direct descent to get it to work? [/Trying to Technobabble, even if the notion of, "Every Earth Human and Earth Descended Human has The Ancient Gene," is not only better than both a science and drama position, it's also funny due to The Ancient Child Locks being screwed over by them going back to Earth]
It's not about ancient gene.
But the ide a that "you are descended from X ancient", because by now everyone should be descended from all the ancients.
 
It's not about ancient gene.
But the ide a that "you are descended from X ancient", because by now everyone should be descended from all the ancients.
Eh ... depends on just how many actually returned to Earth and either interbred with humans or had descendants who interbred with humans. And where they did so.

Especially given the timing of events could mean that a lot of the Lanteans and descendants/enclaves thereof wound up getting killed by the Goa'uld, or died out in isolation while hiding from the Goa'uld.

That said, yeah, tracking ancestry to a single specific Lantean across ~10k ish years? Should be functionally impossible, barring something like unbroken direct matrilineal descent for the mitochondrial DNA ... maybe.
 
That said, yeah, tracking ancestry to a single specific Lantean across ~10k ish years? Should be functionally impossible, barring something like unbroken direct matrilineal descent for the mitochondrial DNA ... maybe.
Or the ancients "tagging" the ATA genes of themselves with a unique marker to use as an easy-to-read ID(for them). I mean, their children would potentially have an identical copy when they are born, but that's going to last a few hours until the babys is assigned its own unique marker by the doctor and its ATA gene is changed to reflect that.
 
Eh ... depends on just how many actually returned to Earth and either interbred with humans or had descendants who interbred with humans. And where they did so.

Especially given the timing of events could mean that a lot of the Lanteans and descendants/enclaves thereof wound up getting killed by the Goa'uld, or died out in isolation while hiding from the Goa'uld.

That said, yeah, tracking ancestry to a single specific Lantean across ~10k ish years? Should be functionally impossible, barring something like unbroken direct matrilineal descent for the mitochondrial DNA ... maybe.
How many, does not matter.
Thousands of years.
If one Ancient landed in Europe at that time, almost everyone with european ancestry would be descended from them.

Only way ancient ancestry would not be near omnipresent is if they went for somekind of isolated hidden village scenario where nobody leaves, ever.

But the writers either did not think about that, or did not care, because most people don't.
Like how in Dresden Files at one point it is hypothesized that the magic swords need royal descent to use, ignoring that most people in the world have royal descent (going to basicly everyone depending on how royalty is defined), so having all known sword wielders being royal descendants is statistically meaningles.
 
when did the wraith who fucked up the aurora by infiltrating the virtual world show up? and It was called the Aurora? Kind of basic
 
Or the ancients "tagging" the ATA genes of themselves with a unique marker to use as an easy-to-read ID(for them). I mean, their children would potentially have an identical copy when they are born, but that's going to last a few hours until the babys is assigned its own unique marker by the doctor and its ATA gene is changed to reflect that.
If they are unique 'barcoding' the ATA-genes, then it'd be easier to do that as early as possible, in development, because less cells need editing? If exo-womb tech is used, after in-vitro fertilization (or in-vivo, and a quick external-transfer), then the potential being would be a lot more accessible.
(Also, genetic assay to check for viability could be done really early on, to minimise emotional bonding/pain. Though, the Ancients may have re-enginnered their genes for non-mutation/stability.)

Going to barcode after normal (9mnths?) birth date? Would you be using something like a retro-virus, and some extra scans to ensure you hit all the body cells, in particular the stem cells and germ-line? Be a bit... embarassing if your dodgy bio-containment means you barcode more than just the target, and, say, get the mother, siblings (and the odd passer-by?) as well???

"Congratulations! You've just joined my family! Here's some birthday cake!"

*sigh* "Janus. Just fix it. And, no, you're going to have to do all the paperwork, yourself, with your own, physical, hands, driven by your own, awake, mind, this time."
 
If they are unique 'barcoding' the ATA-genes, then it'd be easier to do that as early as possible, in development, because less cells need editing? If exo-womb tech is used, after in-vitro fertilization (or in-vivo, and a quick external-transfer), then the potential being would be a lot more accessible.
(Also, genetic assay to check for viability could be done really early on, to minimise emotional bonding/pain. Though, the Ancients may have re-enginnered their genes for non-mutation/stability.)

Going to barcode after normal (9mnths?) birth date? Would you be using something like a retro-virus, and some extra scans to ensure you hit all the body cells, in particular the stem cells and germ-line? Be a bit... embarassing if your dodgy bio-containment means you barcode more than just the target, and, say, get the mother, siblings (and the odd passer-by?) as well???

"Congratulations! You've just joined my family! Here's some birthday cake!"

*sigh* "Janus. Just fix it. And, no, you're going to have to do all the paperwork, yourself, with your own, physical, hands, driven by your own, awake, mind, this time."
Given the shown ainchient technology in the series and its effect. I'm pretty sure they could have trivialized the issue you brought up.
Especially with the humans developing such a gene therapy for use on adults by the end of the series.
 
"The Navis." Eventus explained

On another topic, I can't find anything about a ship named the Navis. Only the Tria.

Tria

The Tria was an Aurora-class ship built during the height of the Lantean-Wraith war. Captain Helia Crew of Tria During a battle with Wraith cruisers, the ship was damaged, and they received word that the Lanteans had left Atlantis via Stargate for Earth. Unable to rejoin their fellow Lanteans by...

Edit: Is that the ship from the Travelers episode?
 
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On another topic, I can't find anything about a ship named the Navis. Only the Tria.

Tria

The Tria was an Aurora-class ship built during the height of the Lantean-Wraith war. Captain Helia Crew of Tria During a battle with Wraith cruisers, the ship was damaged, and they received word that the Lanteans had left Atlantis via Stargate for Earth. Unable to rejoin their fellow Lanteans by...

Edit: Is that the ship from the Travelers episode?
Yeah, that's the only one that makes sense.
 
Chapter 37 - The Mind Knows
Chapter 37 - The Mind Knows​


Kate Heightmeyer had accepted the offer to join the Atlantis expedition as their resident psychologist, fully aware that she would likely be dealing with people suffering both common and unusual issues.

That had in fact been a big part of why she had chosen to accept the offer. Because it was rare in her profession that one could both help people in need and plumb never before analyzed depths of the human condition.

She'd done her due diligence in preparing, studied in depth about the long term effects of isolation on groups deployed to places like the Arctic, and read everything written by Doctor MacKenzie about his time dealing with the various alien related psychological maladies that had cropped up at Stargate Command.

None of that had been enough to prepare her for dealing with her current patient's problems.

"And the constant chafing is driving me up the wall." Peter Grodin complained as he made a cupping motion over his breasts. "I know it's a small thing given everything else, and it's only happening because I'm having to borrow underclothes from the general pool of spares. But it's still just…"

"A constant reminder?" Kate put forward, making a mental note that the next session might be a good time to float the idea to Grodin about getting himself properly measured.

"Exactly." Grodin confirmed with an emphatic nod.

From a psychological standpoint feelings like that were only to be expected of someone who had their body as radically altered as Grodin had. However the degree of dysphoria he was experiencing was still significantly less then she had expected given the circumstances. And it made her wonder whether that was something in the man's own psychological makeup at play, or some effect of the Ancient device that had changed him.

"I'd say that's only to be expected. But the truth is we're swimming in uncharted waters here."

"Except by the Ancients." Grodin groused, moving to cross his arms only to stop and let them drop back to his lap when they encountered the pair of obvious obstructions.

Kate sighed, knowing he probably wasn't going to like what she had to say. "As far as I have been able to discover, the Ancient's considered the idea of sex and gender to be a non-factor amongst themselves."

It had been a remarkably interesting puzzle to piece together given the limits of navigating the database and almost incidental way the Ancients had treated the subject. She had honestly wanted to ask Evan if he could shed some light on the subject, but the Ancient had been keeping himself remarkably unavailable to anyone but the command staff.

"Which means what?" Grodin snapped. "That this whole thing really would have just been a joke to them?"

"No." Kate returned, unsurprised that was what Grodin had ended up taking from her words. "It means that you shouldn't be using the Ancients as a measuring stick for how you should feel about this, because they aren't us."

"That's…" Grodin leaned forward to retort, only to stop and let out a defeated sigh as he slumped back into the chair. "That's really not what I meant."

"Oh?" Kate prodded when he didn't elaborate any further.

Grodin scowled, looking around the room in a way that very clearly suggested he wanted to avoid saying whatever it was before steeling himself and looking her directly in the eyes. "It's just. Why even build something like that? I've looked up Thalia's records in the database, and it's obvious she was a genius. Yet all she ever really did with that genius is create insanely complex devices to play jokes on others."

If Thalia were human, behavior like that would suggest some rather specific possibilities. But everything she'd put together about Ancient psychology suggested the circumstances that tended to cause those to come about just didn't really exist with them.

"If you could do anything you wanted, what would it be?"

Crossing his arms again, Grodin furrowed his brow as he took a moment to consider her question.

"I'm pretty sure I'm already doing it." He finally admitted.

Something Kate heavily suspected was true of most of the scientists on Atlantis, her included.

"Prior to the war with the Wraith, a general axiom of the Ancients in regards to work was 'take up that which you enjoy'. So the likely answer to your question is that was what Thalia enjoyed doing."

"But it's so meaningless!" Grodin protested, throwing up his arms before letting them drop back down to the armrests.

"Was it?" Kate asked, relieved they had finally gotten to one of his big problems with what had happened. "I've been brushing up on my mythology, and Thalia could very well have been the inspiration for an entire genre of fiction that has brought joy to humans for thousands of years."

"And of course." Kate continued as she shot Grodin a speculative look. "There's s the more expansive question of what Thalia was hoping to accomplish with her jokes?"

"What she was hoping to accomplish?" Grodin repeated, clearly trying to figure out just what Kate had meant with her words.

"While it's true practical jokes can be a form of bullying, they can also be a general stress relief, or even a form of social commentary. And given bullying seems unlikely, that begs the question of what stress she was trying to relieve or what social commentary she was trying to make?"

"Something to think about at the very least." She finished as she took a moment to check her watch and confirm her fears that they were a good ten minutes over time.

"What?" Grodin began in confusion as he checked his own. "But it's only… A little past five…"

Flushing in sudden embarrassment, Grodin quickly pulled himself out of the chair. "I'm sorry, I completely lost track of time."

"It's all right." Kate reassured him with an understanding smile. "Same time tomorrow?"

"I'd appreciate it." Grodin agreed with a wane smile as he walked to the door, pressing the crystal to open it and heading out.

Kate began to get up to head out herself, only to pause at the familiar form standing on the others side of her door.

"Grodin" Sheppard greeted as he gave a nod to the passing man before focusing on her. "Hey doc? Could I have a quick minute?"

"Of course." Kate agreed, letting out a silent sigh of remorse at the very real possibility that there would yet again only be blue jello left by the time she made it to the cafeteria.

Waiting a moment for him to enter and close the door behind him, Kate sat back down in her recently vacated chair. "So, what's the emergency?"

Sheppard walked over to the chair across from her and leaned on the back. "You're a woman, right?"

She stared for a moment, waiting patiently for him to take his foot out of his mouth.

Cringing, he quickly attempted to change tracks. "I mean, you know how women think."

"I'd certainly like to think so." Kate admitted, laughing lightly so he'd know she didn't take the slip-up personally. "But like a lot of things involving the mind, the way women think tends to vary pretty heavily."

"I think I might have screwed up." Sheppard confessed, the guilty tone in his voice instantly setting her on edge given the limited number of things involving that which could connect back to his previous subject. "Teyla and I we… And she's…"

An urge to giggle nearly overcame Kate, thankfully though she was able to clamp down on it before it could fully manifest. Because somehow, someway, relationship problems always seemed to be both the most and least of the expedition's worries.

"And the way Athosians do dating and relationships is apparently a lot more different then I had thought." He continued without missing a beat. "Because she's apparently been waiting for me to make the first move since I made my interest clear on Athos. Which, okay, yeah, I absolutely did, but that was before we ended up on a team together."

The number of times Kate had had this general conversation over the past year would likely have surprised him, or at the very least her advice to those parties probably would.

"And that's what kept you from pursuing a relationship with Teyla?" She put forward as she leaned back in her chair.

"Yes." Sheppard instantly agreed, only to let out a sigh and shake his head. "Well, yes, and no. I kind of didn't think she was interested anymore after she cut back on the flirting when I did. But that's apparently just how Athosians do things. And now we've both directly said we're interested, but I'm really worried about the effects it'll have on the team."

And probably whether he would screw this relationship up like he had his marriage, but Kate kept that thought to herself since it would likely be better to let him come to that realization on his own.

"I'm sure Doctor McKay will be suitably jealous." She offered with a smile.

"Well yeah." Sheppard acknowledged with a nod. "But that's McKay, he'll pretend to sulk a bit then be fine."

Letting out a slight hum of acknowledgement Kate gave him a contemplative look. "I see, so you think Lieutenant Ford will have a problem with it then?"

Sheppard shook his head. "Na, the only worry there is the amount of jokes I'll have to put up with for not seeing it sooner."

"Then what's the worry?" Kate asked, really hoping he wouldn't try to dodge around the issue any more than he already had.

The glare Sheppard sent her way at that said he was fully aware of how she was leading him towards a specific conclusion and didn't approve. "That I'll screw up."

"You will." Kate agreed with a nod, knowing he wouldn't want her to sugarcoat it at this point. "But feeling's aren't an on and off switch that have no impact on your actions so long as you don't flip them to the on position. They exist regardless. And while the military might have rules against fraternization, I'll note the Stargate program very specifically doesn't."

It was a subject that she knew had gone through a good deal of debate, with the decision being tipped toward the current policy of acceptance after several events had caused "secret" relationships between team members to openly backfire to the point of creating serious risk for the planet.

"So my suggestion? Talk to Teyla about your worries."

"I already kind of did." Sheppard confessed with an awkward smile as he suddenly avoided looking her in the eyes. "She said my worry was sweet, but unneeded."

"Then there you go." Kate said, getting the distinct sense just from those words alone that Teyla was the type who would be able to deal with Sheppard's worry without too much issue.


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Author's Notes: Poor Kate, the job of a psychologist on Atlantis never ends.
 
It would make good thesis material, except that she can't tell anybody ever.
Like how many of the archeologists on The Program must have a club started by Daniel about all the things they can't take to the general public. On the one hand, Daniel isn't stuck in The UFO community just earning a living by being on something like Ancient Aliens. On the other hand he and every archeologist in The Stargate Program must be so pissed off about not being able to rewrite the history books. Then probably finding a good bar and then gettinng pissed in a different way.
 
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