Shadow Archon
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He's so going to use that excuse to name the next few Lantean ships after Federation ones, isn't he?
Is the next ship going to be the Defiant or the Excelsior?
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He's so going to use that excuse to name the next few Lantean ships after Federation ones, isn't he?
Is the next ship going to be the Defiant or the Excelsior?
Pretty sure you meant new not mew.
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'console'?
'new'?
(nyah!)
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McKay is going to want one of those guest visors, isn't he? Will Evan be able to come up with excuses not to give him one?
Is McKay trying to find a cabin with hidden features? Because, if he was the ship's engineer/captain, he'd put those in his cabin?
The thing is that for the guy to be included in the whole expedition in the first place, and not even US/Canada national, the man must be a damn genius, but, kinda hard to keep up with the protagonists....
I think later in the Series Mckay trusts him and does not tend to micromanage/insult the man much, so, as far as I understand, that is almost a glowing review of the poor man. It probably helps that the guy can take the abuse from Mckay, and still deliver results himself.
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I would love the idea of having Even using the shipyard to make a Sovereign class battlecruiser. I wonder how much of Trek tech could be created for the ship, plus SG tech.
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Also, the time everyone but Teyla's memory was compromised by a virus Zalenka was an absolute badass.
And when you mess around with time you are responsible for cleaning up your own mess
I can just imagine Evan starting to construct starfleet ships sooner or later.
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I hated that plot line. The moment alternate universe travel becomes casually possible, all tension leaves the plot. No matter what happens you can now undo it.
Also trust and listen to your maintenance guy!
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'Ya know, Eventus probably doesn't even need an excuse to know Earth pop culture when he can pull the "Ancient Shenanigans" card.
"Due to complicated circumstances related to the birth of my soul (don't ask), I was born with innate trans-temporal knowledge of a lot of your planet's then-distant future popular culture - it's so exciting to finally be able to meet fellow fans in person without a time machine!"
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Quite a bit - the tricky bit would be the Warp Drive/Hyper Drive... The first is sorta real-space, and uses subspace, the second travels through hyperspace.
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It wasn't casual alternate universe travel. The drive itself was malfunctioning and led to one version of the Atlantis team's death. Traveling to alternate universes doesn't really undo things anyways. A quantum replacement of someone dead is still just a replacement. (RIP the main universe's Harry Kim.) The same with a clone.
Like, if the Earth was destroyed by the Goa'uld, the Replicators, the Ori, or the Wraith; fleeing to an alternate universe where that didn't happen, doesn't mean that original Earth isn't dead. I would have loved if they kept the alternate universe Sam around because a character suddenly having a dimensionally displaced twin is an interesting concept to explore. So I always hated the bullshit Entropic Cascade Failure thing you can just tell the writers invented on the spot to get rid of her. And this condition is also never relevant ever again the next time alternate universe versions meet each other.
Beyond that, alternate universes can also have adverse effects on the main universe! Like how the Wraith finally found where Earth exactly is in season 5.
Now, what really undoes things is, explicitly, time travel. Stargate has, on a few occasions, already undid very bad ends with casual time-travel. That's way more egregious than alternate universes in my mind. At least the bad guys use the reset button at least once.
But to be honest, I don't really feel tension when watching shows with multiple seasons anymore. The draw for me is the characters and the worldbuilding, not "Will this protagonist coded character succeed or fail at their objectives?" At a default, going into pretty much any form of fiction, I can assume "Our main characters will win at the end of the day" and be right 95% of the time. So... there's not a lot of tension unless my assertion is proven wrong, and those few shows aren't necessarily better to me.
It's not the mystery of what's at the end of the road that gets me to keep watching/reading, it's how enjoyable the journey is on the way.
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Atlantis wasn't that limited. It was NATO (which included Czechia at the time) plus Japan and ROK. Going by the flags they put on the uniforms of the extras. The military contingent was all US forces at the start though.
They only renamed the Hippaforalkus because that's an awful name.
Aurora is fine as a name, Tria is meh.
They don't need to, and probably shouldn't, rename every ship they recover.
The Atlantis Expedition was an IOA multinational mission from the beginning.
At that point, the IOA is basically NATO, other major US allies, plus Russia and China.
Zelenka is amazing, though. Solid number three or four in the SGC/Atlantis Brain Trust, IMO. Carter, Mckay, and maybe Dr Bill Lee. But Zelenka's better in the field than Lee.
Late in the Series? Hell, I'm pretty sure Mckay specifically asks for Zelenka (but doesn't know his name yet) for in the Season 1 episode ... 3 or 4 ... Thirty Eight Minutes or whichever one has the damaged Jumper stuck partway through the space gate.
For the realspace FTL ... just pull out the records for a Destiny type FTL. Alternatively ... the SG1 episode Grace (IIRC), with the weird nebula and the aliens attacking Prometheus with just Carter left on the ship, implies that it's possible to create an FTL system similar to a Trek warp drive or a mass effect FTL drive.
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Sadly that particular plotline is rather problematic since it's dependent on Atlantis moving to a very specific planet.
That said, I do have an alternate plan for what's going to happen when it would occur.
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Well then you shouldn't have tossed it to him with no warning!
Not really. It just means that in the dimension/timeline the version of a Dimensional Daedalus* that shows up started in, Atlantis either didn't get moved or also got moved to the same place. After all, for all we know an equivalent ship could have popped into canon over Lantea at roughly the same time, and/or over one or more of the other possible destinations for Atlantis.
*Or other 304, or other ship, because dimension/timeline differences could mean it's the Apollo, or the Pheonix or the Hammond, or a version of the Hippaforalkus/Orion that didn't get destroyed, or the Digitally Ascended Repli-Weir told the Atlantis team where to find the Aurora-class she and her followers had before their Digital Ascension, or a version of the Tria that got recovered and repaired, or perhaps even a formerly Asuran-built Aurora, likely acquired by transporting teams onboard after the Asuran Replicator nanites got pulled out of the Asuran ships during the battle of Asura. Probably wouldn't be the Odyssey, though, unless the Asgard Legacy Core either wasn't on it (maybe SG1 took a different 304 on that trip) or was able to, and had, fully duplicated itself onto at least one other 304. But not versions of the Korolev (Russian) or Sun Tzu (Chinese, presumably).
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Considering how slow Star Trek warp drive is just stick to Asgard hyper-drive. Really, only two in that list even get close to one light year per hour (8776*c) compared to the several hundred per second that the hyper-drive is capable of.
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iirc, it's specifically brought up and stated that they're from sufficiently close-by realities that, while it WILL happen eventually, it'll take a while so they'll have enough time to sort things out.
Which makes perfect sense, at least compared to other Stargate writing:
- Why make your Quantum Mirror bother connecting to realities too close by to learn anything new?
- Even as early as season 3, they had some difficulty finding a reality which wasn't a) *also* sending a team through the mirror, possibly to save another world, and b) was the *correct* reality currently being invaded by the Goa'uld.
- The entire series is one massive series of lucky saves from world- or galaxy-ending disasters.
- By the time of season 9, it's entirely believable that the only realities left with an SGC capable of gate travel/shenanigans, while also having a reason to commit shenanigans, are those so "close by" as to have a much longer time limit.
They already threaded the needle, and the only other quantum realities around probably don't even have the gate unburied, had a lick of common sense and never had/caused the bigger issues, or diverged so far back they're the original movie reality and (ugh) ...Stargate Infinity.
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Zelenka is both intelligent and can put up with McKay. He also is more open minded than McKay, which gives him a head start on certain problems. Admitting he's confused is him just being smart in this situation.
Evan just gave him some seriously useful info, but it takes time to consider all the ramifications. Like that the consoles could be locked to singular tasks, the city does have things they explicitly searched for but missed, or that the Wraith are even more terrifying than the expedition thought.
Evan gave him a tool, but he needs to research what the digital layer even is.
Evan just gave him some seriously useful info, but it takes time to consider all the ramifications. Like that the consoles could be locked to singular tasks, the city does have things they explicitly searched for but missed, or that the Wraith are even more terrifying than the expedition thought.
Evan gave him a tool, but he needs to research what the digital layer even is.
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Didn't say useful, just said 'Trek tech'.
Any FTL is useful, but to be pretty mobile you want 'kilo lights' (thousands of times 'c'). Preferably tens of kilo-lights. I found the calculation of how fast FTL comms needed to be for real-time conversations, say, over a distance out to about twenty light-years, fun. Giga-lights, from memory...