Cleaning Up After The Ancients (Stargate SI)

Chapter 69 - Good Day New
Chapter 69 - Good Day​


All things considered, Jack O'Neill would say the day had been going pretty well so far. The Ancient hadn't decided to hand them a series of vague warnings with the expectation that they would somehow muddle through things. He'd gotten to see Daniel walk around the base in heels. And Carter was at least temporarily back at the SGC to help out with everything they currently had going on.

Unfortunately it seemed like one of the other shoes might have finally decided to drop.

"When you say there's a problem with the vaccine, what exactly do you mean?" He asked Carolyn Lam, frowning down at the somewhat harried looking doctor who had stopped him in the hall. "Because I distinctly recall Doctor Beckett saying it was safe?"

And if it wasn't they were in a lot of trouble as he knew Doctor Weir had already begun inoculating her people.

"As far as I can tell from the notes he threw together it's perfectly safe." Doctor Lam confirmed, cringing slightly in a way that would have told Jack that a but was coming even without already knowing something was wrong. "But the problem is, I'm not sure how we can use it without risking the secrecy of the Stargate program."

Given the sheer number of strange things Jack had seen over the years that didn't exactly narrow things down any. So he nodded and motioned for the doctor to continue.

"As I'm sure you're aware, General. We've been studying the Ayiana contagion since you encountered it in Antarctica three years ago."

"I was surprisingly not." Jack admitted glibly, suspecting that it was probably somewhere in the piles of files in his DC office that he had yet to go through.

"Oh." Doctor Lam muttered, blinking in surprise. "I thought… Well, long story short, the researchers studying it have made zero progress in creating a cure or treatment because every time they find something that begins to work the virus mutates into something else."

Which somewhat confirmed what Evan had just told them about it, so that put at least a little bit of Jack's paranoia to rest.

"The Ancient's solution to that seems to have been to create a vaccine which…" Doctor Lam continued, only to bite her bottom lip and grimace slightly. "Well, to make a long explanation short, prevents nearly everything."

It was Jack's turn to blink in surprise as he tried to process that. "And by nearly everything you mean?"

"Think Tretonin." Doctor Lam said grimly. "Only without the dependency and immunosuppression issues."

"So, dose a week for perfect health?" Jack asked just to make sure he was understanding exactly what she was saying.

Doctor Lam shook her head. "According to the Ancients, the only recorded cases of it ever wearing off were people with healing abilities who consciously or unconsciously wanted it to wear off."

Put like that Jack could see the problem, because there it would stretch the Stargate program to the absolute limit to try and fake the development trail for a lifelong cure for functionally everything. Though that trouble absolutely paled in comparison to the political fight he could see coming when the IOA found out the US military was now holding onto a hundred thousand doses of the stuff.

"So what do you think we should do with it?"

Doctor Lam pointed at herself in surprise. "Me?"

Jack nodded. "You're the new head doc."

Pursing her lips, she seemed to consider Jack's question. "Well, by withholding it we'd be condemning hundreds of millions of people to easily preventable deaths." She paused for a moment before letting out a tired sigh.

"And I know that's something of a regular occurrence with the things we bring back through the stargate. But working at the CDC I've seen first hand just how bad disease can get elsewhere in the world, and this dwarfs the number of lives that would have been saved by other things by entire orders of magnitude."

The number of times Jack had asked himself the question of how many lives they could save by releasing the technology they'd brought back through the gate was not small. Debates about non-lethal weaponry in particular often had him flashing back to what happened to Charlie and asking himself just how many other kids could be saved from similar by pushing that technology out and damn the consequences.

But that was neither here nor now, because he hadn't been asking her about that.

"I meant more we as in the SGC." Jack offered as the corner of his lip twitched slightly.

"Oh." Doctor Lam muttered in a small tone, blushing in clear embarrassment before taking a breath to center herself.

"Personal preference of not having to deal with the constant string of soldiers coming back through the gate with STDs any longer aside. I don't think we can afford not to."

Even with the new information that had pretty much been Jack's thought on the subject, but it was always good to get an expert opinion reinforcing his own.

"My one suggestion." She continued. "Would be that we make sure to put everyone through the ATA gene therapy first. As I'm something like ninety nine percent sure the retrovirus used for that will get attacked by the improved immune systems just like everything else."

They hadn't made that particular treatment mandatory yet for a number of ethical reasons, but Jack knew just how close of a judgement that had been given how important the ability to operate Ancient technology was for the program's general mandate.

"Then I'll leave that to you to put together." Jack said, making a shooing motion to show that she was dismissed before turning and continuing down the hall.

He made it half a dozen steps before she called out. "In that case General, I'll expect you in for your shot by the end of the day."

That tone was familiar enough from his years with Fraiser to know any attempt at argument would just delay the inevitable, so he gave an over the shoulder wave so she'd know he'd heard before rounding the corner.

Given the inherent danger of alien weaponry, they had decided on Carter's old lab as the best place to go over the various things Evan had brought them from Atlantis. So walking into the lab, Jack had half expected to see the newly arrived woman already hip deep in hooking up one of the devices to various sensors.

Instead however she seemed to be glaring at one of the ancienty looking crates as if the thing had somehow offended her on a personal level.

"Carter." Jack put forward carefully, experience having taught him to tread carefully when something had annoyed her that much. "Do I need to get a crowbar?"

"I already tried that." Sam muttered distractedly, pointing to a nearby bar of metal hanging off one of the shelf hooks as she worked to secure a pair of some sort of clamps onto the edge of the container.

He had only been joking about the crowbar, that she hadn't caught that, or ever looked up to greet him, suggested it was probably past time to try and drag the Lieutenant Colonel away from her box shaped problem.

Walking over to the table she was working at he knocked on the crate a couple times with his knuckles. "Seems pretty solid."

"I think it's some sort of trinium alloy." Sam said, finally looking up at him only to blink in surprise. "Sir, I…" She shook her head before straightening up and shooting him a wry grin. "Sorry, I've just been banging my head against a rock trying to open this thing since the Atlantis team brought them in."

That it was an Ancient packing crate of all things that had her so stumped was more than a little amusing, but Jack knew Sam would absolutely make him pay if he ribbed her about it.

"Have you tried waving a hand over it and saying open sesame?" He joked, passing his hands over the top of the crate as he said the last.

A pneumatic hiss sounded out and the top lifted off the crate, leaving them both staring dumbly at it for a moment before Sam turned a dirty look towards him.

"I had absolutely no idea that would work." Jack confessed in case she might be thinking that he had purposefully done that.

He looked down at the now open crate for a moment before frowning as a thought hit him. "Do you think it was the hand wave or the open sesame? Because if it's the second I'm going to have to have a talk with Doctor Weir about the amount of media they've been showing off to our new allies."


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Author's Note: I think that ship sailed long before you were born, Jack.
 
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One thing the oversight committee might have to consider here is if they order it suppressed, will someone release it anyway?
This is the kind of thing that makes people seriously consider blowing up their career and going to jail.
And they would have a good chance of being pardoned after the fact since its a pretty damn easy political campaign promise to pardon the person that saved who knows how many from incurable diseases like HIV.
 
One thing the oversight committee might have to consider here is if they order it suppressed, will someone release it anyway?
This is the kind of thing that makes people seriously consider blowing up their career and going to jail.
And would theuy be lynched in the future when it comes out eventually anyway by all those that had lost people in time between. Either by leak or de-classifation of sgc.
 
And they would have a good chance of being pardoned after the fact since its a pretty damn easy political campaign promise to pardon the person that saved who knows how many from incurable diseases like HIV.
The health insurance and associated medical industry would be furious, this could cost them trillions and put them out of business.

The public may say "good" but those guys own lot of politicians, regulatory agencies and media.

But they would invest heavily in anti vaxers and push a narrative of human experimentation and how dangerous such a thing must be to try to drown it in red tape.
 
Honestly given how much the soldiers of Stargate Command had been through she was lucky someone hadn't shot her.

To be fair, random hyper intelligent children or adults who act like children is something they deal with far more frequently than you'd think.


An Elf may be new, but the premise isn't.

But they would invest heavily in anti vaxers and push a narrative of human experimentation and how dangerous such a thing must be to try to drown it in red tape.

You're assuming this will be rolled out as a panacea, instead of just another vaccine. Also that politicians who are keeping an entire global conspiracy going are going to let them get that off the ground.

The othed thing is, we've seen how a pandemic plays out in real life. One that, on the whole, wasn't that deadly. US healthcare companies can be upset all they want, but the rest of the world doesn't care. Even then, the rest of the economy combined being shut down makes healthcare look small.
 
... How did the Ancients make a cure all vaccine? I'm not saying it's impossible for Ancient Tech, because it's the Ancients. They made healing technology that not only can bring back the dead but accidentally make Zombies. But I'm trying to figure out how it works biology and my brain goes, "404, Explanation not found," at trying to figure it out.
 
He looked down at the now open crate for a moment before frowning as a thought hit him. "Do you think it was the hand wave or the open sesame? Because if it's the second I'm going to have to have a talk with Doctor Weir about the amount of media they've been showing off to our new allies."
I'd've guessed ATA gene before either, but sure, it could be the open sesame too :V
 
One thing the oversight committee might have to consider here is if they order it suppressed, will someone release it anyway?
This is the kind of thing that makes people seriously consider blowing up their career and going to jail.

If any of the people have a terminally ill family member has that paper work pass over their desk that information will be blown sky high within days of being told of it being suppressed.
 
To be fair, random hyper intelligent children or adults who act like children is something they deal with far more frequently than you'd think.


An Elf may be new, but the premise isn't.



You're assuming this will be rolled out as a panacea, instead of just another vaccine. Also that politicians who are keeping an entire global conspiracy going are going to let them get that off the ground.

The othed thing is, we've seen how a pandemic plays out in real life. One that, on the whole, wasn't that deadly. US healthcare companies can be upset all they want, but the rest of the world doesn't care. Even then, the rest of the economy combined being shut down makes healthcare look small.

It's kinda hard to hide a panacea, if nothing else the politicians mass dumping their medical investments will be noticed.

The pandemic response is kinda an exhibit A of short term financial interest between prioritized over long term wellbeing of society, one with an international scale.
 
... How did the Ancients make a cure all vaccine? I'm not saying it's impossible for Ancient Tech, because it's the Ancients. They made healing technology that not only can bring back the dead but accidentally make Zombies. But I'm trying to figure out how it works biology and my brain goes, "404, Explanation not found," at trying to figure it out.
I mean, if you have nanotech and understand it, you have an instant win button for bioscience problems. Even if you pose the restriction that the nanites need to not stick around after the treatment, you still have the ability to freely reprogram the body however you like while they're around, and if you actually understand human biology well enough to make use of that ability....

In this case, replacing the immune system we've got with something closer to a low level intelligence would go a long way.
 
... How did the Ancients make a cure all vaccine? I'm not saying it's impossible for Ancient Tech, because it's the Ancients. They made healing technology that not only can bring back the dead but accidentally make Zombies. But I'm trying to figure out how it works biology and my brain goes, "404, Explanation not found," at trying to figure it out.
Honestly, I don't think it's actually a vaccine.
I rather suspect that it's more of either a genemod to the immune system or a symbiotic life form that provides its benefits. In the latter case, it is, essentially, biological nanotech colonies doing the work.
 
"I had absolutely no idea that would work." Jack confessed in case she might be thinking that he had purposefully done that.

He looked down at the now open crate for a moment before frowning as a thought hit him. "Do you think it was the hand wave or the open sesame? Because if it's the second I'm going to have to have a talk with Doctor Weir about the amount of media they've been showing off to our new allies."

God can I just say how much I absolutely love this? You write Jack so well that I feel like this is an actual episode of Stargate

Great chapter as always
 
Honestly, I don't think it's actually a vaccine.
I rather suspect that it's more of either a genemod to the immune system or a symbiotic life form that provides its benefits. In the latter case, it is, essentially, biological nanotech colonies doing the work.

At the level of tech the Ancients had, I suspect a genemod more than an actual vaccine. Especially with them saying it lasts indefinitely.

I personally suspect that it's just an injection of nanites that modify the body's white blood cells into artificial (but still biological) white blood cell-esque cells that take a snapshot of the body as is and looks at the body's DNA/genes to see how it is and what it should look like as a healthy member of its species and then just attacks basically everything that isn't how the host should be
 
I think they might want to ask Evantus about the ATA therapy question, because that doesn't sound like something the generic cure should stop, but they also might be using a makeshift method to add it by his standards too.

... actually, I kind of want to see how he rates their implementation of that now.
 
I think they might want to ask Evantus about the ATA therapy question, because that doesn't sound like something the generic cure should stop, but they also might be using a makeshift method to add it by his standards too.

... actually, I kind of want to see how he rates their implementation of that now.
It's almost certainly a much inferior method - the SGC needs to give people an actual retrovirus to do it, whereas we have seen Ancient genetic modifications machines that do effect their changes through some form of energy projection. Nirrti's last episode had her modifying people and setting them to dissolve with some pre-Pegasus Ancient lab tech, and the accelerated Ascension Machine in Atlantis.

Also, IIRC, the ATA gene therapy is canonically not always effective on everyone who takes it. The limited number of ATA gene bearers on the Expedition was a recurring theme in Atlantis.
 
This is obviously a crate story - the medical stuff is a minor detail. :)

As I'm something like I'm ninety nine percent sure
too many 'I'm'?

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Vaccine could be sold as a triple-vaccine, that 'produces an overall immune system boost', as a useful side-effect? Not a lie, as such...

Does it prevent cancer? Does it prevent immune-system issues, like rheumatoid arthritis? Shouldn't stop congenital issues... Hormone issues... Injuries... If it rewires/replaces the immune system (apparently an organ the size of a grapefruit, if it was all gathered together), that's... a bit more tricky...

BTW, 'living nanotech' is what living tissue is, look-up 'wet nanotech'. Difference is biological tissue is the product of evolution. Now, designed living nanotech...

I'm guessing the vaccine doesn't touch the germ cells, sperm/ova. But, I strongly suspect it's going to have to 'fix' all the stem-cells...
 
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It's almost certainly a much inferior method - the SGC needs to give people an actual retrovirus to do it, whereas we have seen Ancient genetic modifications machines that do effect their changes through some form of energy projection. Nirrti's last episode had her modifying people and setting them to dissolve with some pre-Pegasus Ancient lab tech, and the accelerated Ascension Machine in Atlantis.

Also, IIRC, the ATA gene therapy is canonically not always effective on everyone who takes it. The limited number of ATA gene bearers on the Expedition was a recurring theme in Atlantis.
Humanity using a retrovirus to add it in makes sense, especially if you use something like a modified e.coli virus to handle the fiddly bits. On the other hand, if you inject enough people with it and they start cross breeding, eventually you would head for a full spread of the full ATA gene across whatever group eventually. Though, the ancient version is probably some one like Eventus holding your hand and thinking a little hard to make sure it doesn't cause any eventual problems.
 
On the other hand, if you inject enough people with it and they start cross breeding, eventually you would head for a full spread of the full ATA gene across whatever group eventually.
Probably... not? Use of retro-viruses is one thing, to mod cells in an adult. Changing the germ cells so something is inherited, another matter, and we can doubt human bio-tech can do that, safely. It's... a lot more complex.

OTOH, Beckett with his Alteran skill implant could, almost certainly, design something which could make safe germ-line edits. But. He might want to be very careful about messing with that, until he's more practical experience with his skill?
 
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At the level of tech the Ancients had, I suspect a genemod more than an actual vaccine. Especially with them saying it lasts indefinitely.

I personally suspect that it's just an injection of nanites that modify the body's white blood cells into artificial (but still biological) white blood cell-esque cells that take a snapshot of the body as is and looks at the body's DNA/genes to see how it is and what it should look like as a healthy member of its species and then just attacks basically everything that isn't how the host should be
Could be both so that it passes on to the children. Don't want to have to maintain the production and roll out of the 'vaccine'.
 
The only way for us to maybe pull off germ cell line gene modifications somewhat reliably/safely would be to do it very early in fetal development. As in early enough that it's before that kind of differentiation happens. So you're inserting the modifications to a blob of cells, rather than anything more recognizable.
Doing it for an adult? Not happening anytime soon with Earth tech.


The Goa'uld presumably had something reasonably reliable for genetic modifications that extended to the germ lines for inheritability, given the creation of the Jaffa. On the other hand, because it was the Goa'uld, they might have been willing to accept losses in a riskier procedure, though the ... whatever it was that Hathor used to turn Jack into a Jaffa was probably relatively refined and mature version of their technology, albeit presumably hyperspecialized.

The Wraith presumably have really good genetics tech, given that biotech is their thing. Though, again, given they're Wraith, they might well have accepted a less safe and riskier procedure in the creation of Teyla's ancestors.

I would expect that the Nox and Asgard to have quite good biotech as well, though probably not quite as good as more recent Ancient tech.
 
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