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The Enemy Within (WHF Witch Hunter Quest)

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Andres said:
You are misrepresenting the options. The option to negotiate is the one called Attempt Negotiations, while Rally Reinforcements is about attacking the mutants and forcing out answers through interrogation.
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Cool.

I am vey much satisfied with such a result. They are a Chaos Cult, so there is nothing to talk about anyway.
 
[X] Attempt Negotiations
Herzen is not here, but these mutants will know where she went. You will leave your companions to watch and fetch reinforcements in case things go sour, and approach under the flag of truce. There may yet be a way to mitigate the fallout of this mess.
 
[X] Rally Reinforcements
Whatever their circumstances, these mutants are criminals and cultists of the dark gods both. Return to town and share your findings, exonerating the dwarves and allowing you to return and clear the encampment by force. You will find your evidence in the aftermath, or by interrogating prisoners.
 
[X] Attempt Negotiations

Want to undermine the Red Crown? You show their members that the authorities can be trusted to have their best interest in mind. Our Witch isn't here, but she's likely connected to the cultists and these mutants somehow, so having people on the inside of her base will be incredibly beneficial to hunting her down.

Knud and gang are enforcers, but they're facing a mob of their angry kin so we can infer that they aren't the most charismatic. If we can turn the rest of the mutants on them, it should be an easy win.

That said, damn those rolls were good. Astounding Successes on Gathering Information and Markus actually passing a lore roll for once gave us a real good idea of the Witch's operations. Hopefully, the trend continues for our attempt to negotiate.
 
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Sertorius said:
Cool.

I am vey much satisfied with such a result. They are a Chaos Cult, so there is nothing to talk about anyway.
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Isn't there?

Before the edict that Mutants aren't a thing, people like this literally had no other choice- maybe you wake up one day with a fucking- eye on the palm of your hand because Morrsleib is fucked-up like that, and now you're under penalty of death for something that isn't your fault. And the literal only people who are willing to take you in, to treat you as an actual person rather than someone to be either slaughtered en masse or burnt at the stake again for something you didn't do, are set against the people who will now kill you for existing and is that really such a bad thing?

That's what the situation was for these people before Karl Franz's edict. And now they do have a choice. Now, it can be argued that what they've done as part of the cult merits death anyways, I don't really know enough about this particular cult to say, it might be argued it's too risky to talk to them, but 'oh they're chaos nothing to talk about' misses the entire situation imo.
 
[X] Attempt Negotiations
Herzen is not here, but these mutants will know where she went. You will leave your companions to watch and fetch reinforcements in case things go sour, and approach under the flag of truce. There may yet be a way to mitigate the fallout of this mess.

Ah yes, The Negotiator! Witch General Markus Kenobi!
 
horngeek said:
That's what the situation was for these people before Karl Franz's edict. And now they do have a choice. Now, it can be argued that what they've done as part of the cult merits death anyways, I don't really know enough about this particular cult to say, it might be argued it's too risky to talk to them, but 'oh they're chaos nothing to talk about' misses the entire situation imo.
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I believe, that the moment the words Chaos Cult come to mind, the time for leniency ends.

Cue torches, pitchforks and a silver bullet to the head. Sure, Mutants don't have to join them now, but those that did are fair game. The alternative? Your average Sigmarite would say, that it would have been better for them to die before joining the Dark Gods if they can't get away. A shitty hand, I agree, but one the Templars have consistently enforced for a long time.

In any case, there is no excuse for joining a Chaos Cult.
 
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Sertorius said:
I believe, that the moment the words Chaos Cult come to mind, the time for leniency ends.

Que torches, pitchforks and a silver bullet to the head. Sure, Mutants don't have to join them now, but those that did are fair game. The alternative? Your average Sigmarite would say, that it would have been better for them to die before joining the Dark Gods if they can't get away. A shitty hand, I agree, but one the Templars have consistently enforced for a long time.

In any case, there is no excuse for joining a Chaos Cult.
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Chaos thanks you for your service, it's so wonderful that anyone trying to get out can expect only death~
 
Sertorius said:
I believe, that the moment the words Chaos Cult come to mind, the time for leniency ends.

Que torches, pitchforks and a silver bullet to the head. Sure, Mutants don't have to join them now, but those that did are fair game. The alternative? Your average Sigmarite would say, that it would have been better for them to die before joining the Dark Gods if they can't get away. A shitty hand, I agree, but one the Templars have consistently enforced for a long time.

In any case, there is no excuse for joining a Chaos Cult.
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The fact that the Empire can't distinguish from people that were basically forced to join a Chaos Cult to survive, and those who joined it out of petty greed is one of the biggest reasons why they're so ineffective at keeping Cults from appearing.

If the choice is "die or join a chaos cult", many are going to choose the latter. Prove that redemption is possible without death, say by helping kill a malicious witch, and you do a lot to undermine the power of chaos cults within the Empire.

This ties back to a lot of this quest's themes and Markus' personal goal of atonement. If deeds of good faith can redeem him for the crime of killing his own father, then it should be possible for others too if they choose to walk down that path.
 
[x] Rally Reinforcements

Are we wearing our witch hunter get-up? And what's there to negotiate about? They sell out their leader/benefactor/savior and we pinky promise to forget about their felonies and chaos cult membership?

Yeah, the person who signed up to root you out and put you on a pyre will totally only go after THAT mutant and not come back with a mob. They'd have to be incredibly desperate for redemption and incredibly lacking in loyalty to Herzen for negotiations to work. It's just safer for Markus to play the Witch Hunter than gamble with a mob of mutants.
 
horngeek said:
Chaos thanks you for your service, it's so wonderful that anyone trying to get out can expect only death~
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LucidProp said:
If the choice is "die or join a chaos cult", many are going to choose the latter. Prove that redemption is possible without death, say by helping kill a malicious witch, and you do a lot to undermine the power of chaos cults within the Empire.
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Unfortunately the Empire doesn't work that way.

Even if a lenient Witch Hunter would pardon some Mutants, that actually didn't know what they signed up for (that is, they didn't know they just joined a Chaos Cult), their fate is far from secure. The very next Witch Hunter (or tax collector/knight/some other form of power, be it secular or popular) a day later can visit them again and burn the whole lot without a second thought. In other words, they will never be safe from prosecution, that is simply not happening. They can only go to some forgotten place, like deep into the woods, the mountains or into exile for a chance of living semi-peacefully.

It will take several generations for some real change to occur and Markus will never live to see it.

As for if they actually knew, that they just joined a Chaos Cult? Well, that will simply not look good on Markus' resume, since letting go of such people can be seen as a dereliction of duty and we all know what that means. Especially, since there will be plenty of witnesses, that will easily crack under torture.

Mallus is a crappy place to live after all.
 
[X] Attempt Negotiations

The choice with more satisfying possible payoff if it succeeds, and significantly greater possible fallout if it fails. I feel like taking a risk right now c:

Also, Markus, WHY DO YOU KEEP FAILING THOSE LORE TESTS at first try
 
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