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Finding the Spark (Pathfinder 1E Quest)

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There's something going on here, assuming that the dragon is your typical silver.
Could we bluff to get it to come talk to us later in disguise (maybe Sirim does it via telepathy) - these are total shots in the dark:

"demons been looking for this, then?"
Ohhh... if it is a typical Silver we could allude to the gem-mind being a person/having rights? "And does the gem want to go with you?"
 
zxzx24 said:
"Silver dragons are distinguished by the extremely strict codes of conduct and behavior that they live under. Silvers are presented with an array of potential oaths, codes, and regulations, only some of which they have to agree to, and accumulate ever more over their lifetimes as they form pacts and agreements with greater powers, such as councils of gold dragons and Apsu himself."
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Alignment and temperament are not set in stone for Metallic and Chromatic Dragons. There can be all sorts of deviations from their typical behavior. It's quite rare, though.

Better odds that the Dragon is either trying to do what it believes best rather than simply stealing good loot, or that it is not a Silver Dragon at all.
DragonParadox said:
You are all within 20 ft of the chest, near the front of the crowd. The chest is medium sized, just small enough that it can carry it away.
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Ouch, that's much closer than I was hoping.

Well within range of it's breath weapon.
 
Goldfish said:
gnment and temperament are not set in stone for Metallic and Chromatic Dragons. There can be all sorts of deviations from their typical behavior. It's quite rare, though.

Better odds that the Dragon is either trying to do what it believes best rather than simply stealing good loot, or that it is not a Silver Dragon at all.
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If this "dragon?" Wasn't lawful good it would be physically transformed into a tarnished version of itself.
 
The claws and teeth definitely look silver, but the scales are more mirror-like catching and combining the colors into a dizzying melange.

Just because a dragon is generally silvery that does not make it a Silver, there are in the vast multiverse countless forms and shapes of dragonkind to fit almost every environment (OOC, look at the list of dragons, now consider templates are a thing :V ). You guys did not make the roll, the party does not know what this is other than big, dragon-shaped, obviously sapient and it seems intent on stealing the loot.
 
It's too early to act, IMO. If the Dragon is legit, we simply can't fight it. Not on our own. If we attack it first, we might be the first ones to get it's attention. Instead, we need to get out of the crowd without seeming aggressive. Since everyone will be panicking and trying to get away, that shouldn't be overly difficult.

If the Dragon isn't legit, great, but it's not something I want to risk. Let someone else attack it first. If we can get out of range of it's breath weapon, then we might be able to do something.

[X] Nope...for now
-[X] Gorok, with Cob staying close, leads our group away from the stage, trying to get everyone at least 60 feet from the Dragon.
-[X] Sirim casts Magic Circle Against Evil and stays out of sight.
-[X] Kori casts Channel Vigor, gaining a Haste effect, while Mina casts Detect Magic to examine the Dragon's aura. They follow Gorok.
 
If we do nothing, I think it's just gonna leave.

Is there any worth in trying to talk with it? Or maybe Sirim talks with it privately over telepathy?

If it is on the up-and-up, this might work:

"Sirim sends a telepathic message stating that if the dragon is being honest, we have a loose idea of where more stuff like this should be, and are willing to talk in private about the matter; with an explanation as to why "These have no place in earthly hands!". Please return soon in or catch up with the caravan, in humanform"

(As the dragon might just be talking shit, as in "pathetic non-dragons have n right to the stuff I decided I want", I'd strongly prefer to not meet it away from the town)
 
zxzx24 said:
Like being evil turns elves into drow?
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Those are the worst example, but unfortunately not the only.

I have no issue with the ideas that some specific gorms of corruption physically change you, but simple color-swaps on becoming evil (not daemon-corrupted, not infused with Negative Energy, just evil by the arbitrary standards of the universe) is a terrible idea that never should have been published.
 
Massgamer said:
If we don't act though it sounds like it will take off with all the loot.

Can you at least make an attack plan we can use even if you don't vote for it?
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I would rather it take off with the loot than try to fight a CR 11 or 13 Silver Dragon. That's an impossible challenge for us right now when we don't know how other bystanders will react.

We need to get out of breath weapon range ASAP. If it is attacked and decides to discourage resistance, the first thing it is going to do is use its breath weapon. If we're lucky and it doesn't want to kill anyone, it will use its Paralysis Breath, but if it doesn't care it will use its Cold Breath and kill most of the people within range, possibly including some of us.

Once we're out of the immediate kill zone, then we can see about acting more overtly, if others in the crowd aggro it first.

If we get a little bit of space between us and the Dragon, and others volunteer to be meatshields, it will still be within range of our attacks and spells.
 
Goldfish said:
I would rather it take off with the loot than try to fight a CR 11 or 13 Silver Dragon. That's an impossible challenge for us right now when we don't know how other bystanders will react.
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I doubt its a silver dragon, and since you don't want to make a battle plan I guess I will have to.

[X] That is your loot, claws off!
-[X] Akoria uses Searching Shadows and Mina Web Bolt to prevent it from escaping.
-[X] Gorok and other iruxi throw nets at dragon to try and pin it down.
-[X] Cob uses launcher and shoots a Fungal Stun Vial at dragon to hopefully stun it.
-[X] Sirim uses Color Spray on dragon to also try and stun it.
-[X] If dragon is successfully pinned down and/or stunned, try to coordinate with other fighters nearby to take it down.

Best plan I got, with main goal to prevent dragon's escape.
 
Massgamer said:
I doubt its a silver dragon, and since you don't want to make a battle plan I guess I will have to.

[X] That is your loot, claws off!
-[X] Akoria uses Searching Shadows and Mina Web Bolt to prevent it from escaping.
-[X] Gorok and other iruxi throw nets at dragon to try and pin it down.
-[X] Cob uses launcher and shoots a Fungal Stun Vial at dragon to hopefully stun it.
-[X] Sirim uses Color Spray on dragon to also try and stun it.
-[X] If dragon is successfully pinned down and/or stunned, try to coordinate with other fighters nearby to take it down.

Best plan I got, with main goal to prevent dragon's escape.
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Please consider the possibility that it is a real Dragon. We are not prepared to dealing with that at all.

Also, the other Iruxi are not present, AFAIK. Mina doesn't have Web Bolt prepared. If Sirim wants to use Color Spray, he'll have to get even closer to it. Sirim is Neutral Evil, BTW, and if this really is a Silver Dragon, it might take special interest in deal with him.

I'm not completely opposed to fighting the Dragon, but we have to be smart about it. Our entire party has the ability to attack it from outside breath weapon range (not to mention its considerable reach for it's many natural attacks), we just need to back up a bit first. That's what my plan is for. If we put some distance between us and it, and others are acting to draw it's attention, Gorok can attack using his new bow, Cob can use the Launcher, and the others can use their spells. If we back up and no one else is attacking it, then we're no worse off than anyone else.

If we attack it first, regardless of who else decides to help, we're going to take the brunt of it's response.

Something else to consider is that the Dragon is just barely able to lift the chest. That means it won't be able to fly far or fast, and it must lair somewhere relatively nearby. Just like we tracked the thieves, we can do the same thing this time.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Those are the worst example, but unfortunately not the only.

I have no issue with the ideas that some specific gorms of corruption physically change you, but simple color-swaps on becoming evil (not daemon-corrupted, not infused with Negative Energy, just evil by the arbitrary standards of the universe) is a terrible idea that never should have been published.
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IIRC, in pathfinder, kinslaying & cannibalism during Earthfall was involved thanks to Kabriri.

So I assume the only difference between the drow and the 1st generation of ghouls was weather they are alive or dead & exposure to Lazurite.
 
[X] Nope...for now

I don't care about the treasure too much. A lot of it was okay but eh?

did dp change the picture?
 
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Roland defeated a Dragon as a level 5 character with mooks

We also were incredibly prepared for that, so this is too risky
 
How much do silver scales go for on a market, nowadays?

There is a question of whether anyone else is willing to fight the dragon if we do. There's us, Urgor, Gavhaul, mercs and fey. We might be able to rely on at least some of them.

On the other hand, there's the prize money Pathfinders promised us to keep the loot out of Aspis' hands. This technically fulfils the promise.
 
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Nevill said:
How much do silver scales go for on a market, nowadays?

There is a question of whether anyone else is willing to fight the dragon if we do. There's us, Urgor, Gavhaul, mercs and fey. We might be able to rely on at least some of them.

On the other hand, there's the prize money Pathfinders promised us to keep the loot out of Aspis' hands. This technically fulfils the promise.
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I mean Gorok has a feat for that if you want to go that way.
 
Nevill said:
How much do silver scales go for on a market, nowadays?

There is a question of whether anyone else is willing to fight the dragon if we do. There's us, Urgor, Gavhaul, mercs and fey. We might be able to rely on at least some of them.

On the other hand, there's the prize money Pathfinders promised us to keep the loot out of Aspis' hands. This technically fulfils the promise.
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Allright. We should do nothing then.
 
Nevill said:
On the other hand, there's the prize money Pathfinders promised us to keep the loot out of Aspis' hands. This technically fulfils the promise.
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Kori: "I believe the agreed upon payment for preventing the artifacts from falling into Apsis hands was 3500 good sails?"

Pathfinder Captain: "From your report, a Dragon carried everything off for its hoard."

Kori (Bluffing): "Because we let it go."

Captain: "I-

Kori: "Think about it. This way everyone is happy, except for the Apsis Consortium. The Dragon gets its treasures. We get paid and remain in the good graces of the Consortium without having to worry about offloading the artifacts or carrying them around, making targets of ourselves. You thwart their latest scheme and maintain friendly relations with my group."
 
Tomcost said:
Allright. We should do nothing then.
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I have my doubts about a dragon, even a young adult one, coming to rob the human settlement on the day of the auction.

What did everyone think about the adamantium when they first heard it? That Urgor fell for fey trickery who pulled a fast one over him.

Now, what do we have here? We have fey clearly interested in the goods, who had the village under lock and key for secrecy, and Gavhaul nonetheless arriving to present himself as a contender.
What were the dragon's exact words, "earthly hands"? Is it a substitute for "mortal hands" that just so happens to exclude fey?
Why did the dragon act now? It's been several weeks since the arrival, and several weeks after the survivors left. It'd be far easier to scare off the villagers without two sets of armed would-be owners who might object to the robbery. What changed?

Our caravan has dropped by, that's what changed.

I'd be up for striking a conversation with the dragon under the assumption that this is one of the fey. Kori did mention trying to talk to the dragon should we cross paths, well, now's the time to own up to his words. This could very well be a real dragon, but if so I suspect it to be acting in concert with our rivals.
That's if we don't want to just give away the goods to maybe-fey acting under who-knows-what reasons or orders.

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DragonParadox said:
The Court of Veils is real as they come and is a real problem to the Keth and their fey allies. If you had followed Gavis' directions you would have ended up in a confrontation with a fey lord banished from the Court of Ether and newly established in this part of the Verduran though 'fucking fey politics.'
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I suspect 'fey politics' is involved in one way or the other.
 
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Someone will have succeeded in that knowledge check. Let's see what they do. If nobody else wants to tangle with that dragon, we shouldn't either.

[X] Nope...for now
 
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